10 Least Tradable Contracts for RealGM

[caliban]

I'd like to make a honourable mention of the John Wall contract. Avg 43M, 15% kicker, 4 years, start 19-20

[nomansland]

Anderson starts and is playing well for one of the best teams in the NBA. He's overpaid, but starting and playing well counts for a lot. I didn't even really consider putting him on the list.

Biyombo and Dieng are both rotation players. Neither is any sort of star, but both are healthy and contribute. Again, they are overpaid, but not by a ridiculously amount for a rotation guy. That kept Biyombo off the list for me.

In no real order here are the other guys I had in consideration:
George Hill
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Kyle Lowry (only because of injury considerations)
Jonas Valanciunas (kind of a dinosaur now, even if I personally think he's fairly paid for his role)
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Langston Galloway
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Cristiano Felicio
Dion Waiters
Bismack Biyombo

I love the feedback though. Would love to see some others you think belong on the list!

Honestly I'm a bit relieved that Faried's not on the list. His deal gets a lot of criticism on this board. Although it's expiring next year so maybe that's why.

[HartfordWhalers]

Asik has Crohn's disease, and that's some very serious stuff, especially for a pro athlete his size. I think he certainly belongs here.

I think we have trouble comparing under-performing longer contracts, and a contract that may produce nothing on a shorter deal. One idea I use is to simply try to imagine what kind of contract a player would get in current free agency, for his expected production. I think a player like Asik would struggle to get any offer, so his full contract is negative value. Another player who's on a longer deal, but overpaid by a couple million, is probably not as negative.

I would have Movgv at the vet min, which is why he is the worse contract.

[HartfordWhalers]

Anderson starts and is playing well for one of the best teams in the NBA. He's overpaid, but starting and playing well counts for a lot. I didn't even really consider putting him on the list.

Biyombo and Dieng are both rotation players. Neither is any sort of star, but both are healthy and contribute. Again, they are overpaid, but not by a ridiculously amount for a rotation guy. That kept Biyombo off the list for me.

In no real order here are the other guys I had in consideration:
George Hill
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Kyle Lowry (only because of injury considerations)
Jonas Valanciunas (kind of a dinosaur now, even if I personally think he's fairly paid for his role)
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Langston Galloway
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Cristiano Felicio
Dion Waiters
Bismack Biyombo

I love the feedback though. Would love to see some others you think belong on the list!

Honestly I'm a bit relieved that Faried's not on the list. His deal gets a lot of criticism on this board. Although it's expiring next year so maybe that's why.

They tried to sign him to a longer deal!

[pelifan]

Id rather have Asik than 3 of the guys below him on this list and plenty of guys who arent on it.

considering he was already almost moved in a deal for Reggie Jackson earlier this year I'd say hes pretty moveable.

Of course you would

what its 10 million a year and has 3 mil gaurunteed in 2019. Are you telling me youd rather have Biyombo than Asik for example? If you read the rest of the responses you'll find a lot of people agreeing with me that Asik's contract is manageable.

[Smitty731]

Anderson starts and is playing well for one of the best teams in the NBA. He's overpaid, but starting and playing well counts for a lot. I didn't even really consider putting him on the list.

Biyombo and Dieng are both rotation players. Neither is any sort of star, but both are healthy and contribute. Again, they are overpaid, but not by a ridiculously amount for a rotation guy. That kept Biyombo off the list for me.

In no real order here are the other guys I had in consideration:
George Hill
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Kyle Lowry (only because of injury considerations)
Jonas Valanciunas (kind of a dinosaur now, even if I personally think he's fairly paid for his role)
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Langston Galloway
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Cristiano Felicio
Dion Waiters
Bismack Biyombo

I love the feedback though. Would love to see some others you think belong on the list!

Honestly I'm a bit relieved that Faried's not on the list. His deal gets a lot of criticism on this board. Although it's expiring next year so maybe that's why.

Definitely part of it. And he hasn't played all that badly when he's gotten a chance this year and last.

FWIW, I also think Plumlee gets a bad rap. He's a productive rotation guy/spot starter. Overpaid, sure, but not nearly as bad as some make him out to be.

[Smitty731]

I'd like to make a honourable mention of the John Wall contract. Avg 43M, 15% kicker, 4 years, start 19-20

I almost did it, but I didn't want to risk my family or my safety. Wizards fans are a passionate bunch when it comes to Wall.

[shrink]

Asik has Crohn's disease, and that's some very serious stuff, especially for a pro athlete his size. I think he certainly belongs here.

I think we have trouble comparing under-performing longer contracts, and a contract that may produce nothing on a shorter deal. One idea I use is to simply try to imagine what kind of contract a player would get in current free agency, for his expected production. I think a player like Asik would struggle to get any offer, so his full contract is negative value. Another player who's on a longer deal, but overpaid by a couple million, is probably not as negative.

I would have Movgv at the vet min, which is why he is the worse contract.

Oh I agree with that, but I would disagree with a couple posters that don't think Asik belongs in the top 10.

[Eskobar13]

I'd like to make a honourable mention of the John Wall contract. Avg 43M, 15% kicker, 4 years, start 19-20

I was about to come in here and ask who do you guys think will be the first player of the supermax craze to show up on this list.

Unfortunately, unless the cap booms again, I also think Wall will be here by 2021 the latest. Westbrook is my favorite player ever but I also could see him here one day, easily.

With that said, specially in Westbrook's case, you have to factor in that the value you're getting on the first years probably overshadows how much of an overpay it will end up being. Wall's is definitely more problematic, but he just turned 27 so we'll have to wait and see.

[pelifan]

Asik has Crohn's disease, and that's some very serious stuff, especially for a pro athlete his size. I think he certainly belongs here.

I think we have trouble comparing under-performing longer contracts, and a contract that may produce nothing on a shorter deal. One idea I use is to simply try to imagine what kind of contract a player would get in current free agency, for his expected production. I think a player like Asik would struggle to get any offer, so his full contract is negative value. Another player who's on a longer deal, but overpaid by a couple million, is probably not as negative.

bad money is bad money. Subtract the 25 million guaranteed to Asik from player X's contract and if the player is not worth that they have a worse contract than Asik. It really can be as simple is that. And there are definitely at least 10 players overpaid by more than 25 million over the life of their contract.

But Asik has other advantages, like most of his gaunteed money on the front end of his remaining contract. Being a relatively smaller deal etc.

[jayu70]

This time last year Kent Bazemore was top 5, now he's not even in the also rans - good for him.

[Mystical Apples]

I'd take Batum's contract over Wall's. While overpaid, Batum can provide starter minutes at 3 different positions -- with the skill set of a 4th -- but unfortunately his injury and being positionally locked have hindered his production.

His drop in rebounding isn't necessarily an accurate reflection of his alleged decline, either. The addition of Howard + Clifford's rebounding/transition philosophies are confounding variables here.

And Wall's deal hasn't even kicked in yet. Factoring the kicker he'll be paid ~ 38 percent-to-cap over the life of the contract(s), ballpark maybe a $15-20M overpayment/year on average.

[realEAST]

Asik has Crohn's disease, and that's some very serious stuff, especially for a pro athlete his size. I think he certainly belongs here.

I think we have trouble comparing under-performing longer contracts, and a contract that may produce nothing on a shorter deal. One idea I use is to simply try to imagine what kind of contract a player would get in current free agency, for his expected production. I think a player like Asik would struggle to get any offer, so his full contract is negative value. Another player who's on a longer deal, but overpaid by a couple million, is probably not as negative.

I would have Movgv at the vet min, which is why he is the worse contract.

Oh I agree with that, but I would disagree with a couple posters that don't think Asik belongs in the top 10.

To Asik there is simpler solution than to any other contract on this list - you just stretch him this summer: he is owed 13 mil through 2 years, so when stretched it becomes 2.6 mil through five years, which is slightly more than a min contract.

[HartfordWhalers]

Asik has Crohn's disease, and that's some very serious stuff, especially for a pro athlete his size. I think he certainly belongs here.

I think we have trouble comparing under-performing longer contracts, and a contract that may produce nothing on a shorter deal. One idea I use is to simply try to imagine what kind of contract a player would get in current free agency, for his expected production. I think a player like Asik would struggle to get any offer, so his full contract is negative value. Another player who's on a longer deal, but overpaid by a couple million, is probably not as negative.

I would have Movgv at the vet min, which is why he is the worse contract.

Oh I agree with that, but I would disagree with a couple posters that don't think Asik belongs in the top 10.

I couldn’t decide how many passed him so took the easy out and just posted that Movgov did. But Turner might, what’s Turners excess salary (say above MLE) compared to Asiks total (cause yeah Asia is cut and not picked up)?

I think that type of math could put Asik between 8 and 20 even,dropping him out of the top 10.

[jbk1234]

Agree with those who say Asik's deal shouldn't be on the list. He's essentially expiring next year. There are too many longer and/or more expensive deals out there.

[jbk1234]

Anderson starts and is playing well for one of the best teams in the NBA. He's overpaid, but starting and playing well counts for a lot. I didn't even really consider putting him on the list.

Biyombo and Dieng are both rotation players. Neither is any sort of star, but both are healthy and contribute. Again, they are overpaid, but not by a ridiculously amount for a rotation guy. That kept Biyombo off the list for me.

In no real order here are the other guys I had in consideration:
George Hill
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Kyle Lowry (only because of injury considerations)
Jonas Valanciunas (kind of a dinosaur now, even if I personally think he's fairly paid for his role)
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Langston Galloway
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Cristiano Felicio
Dion Waiters
Bismack Biyombo

I love the feedback though. Would love to see some others you think belong on the list!

I suspect Ty Johnson will be harder to move than Waiters.

[Mykhyn]

Conley seems like an odd one. I think someone would trade for him despite him being overpaid

[nomansland]

Anderson starts and is playing well for one of the best teams in the NBA. He's overpaid, but starting and playing well counts for a lot. I didn't even really consider putting him on the list.

Biyombo and Dieng are both rotation players. Neither is any sort of star, but both are healthy and contribute. Again, they are overpaid, but not by a ridiculously amount for a rotation guy. That kept Biyombo off the list for me.

In no real order here are the other guys I had in consideration:
George Hill
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Kyle Lowry (only because of injury considerations)
Jonas Valanciunas (kind of a dinosaur now, even if I personally think he's fairly paid for his role)
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Langston Galloway
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Cristiano Felicio
Dion Waiters
Bismack Biyombo

I love the feedback though. Would love to see some others you think belong on the list!

Honestly I'm a bit relieved that Faried's not on the list. His deal gets a lot of criticism on this board. Although it's expiring next year so maybe that's why.

Definitely part of it. And he hasn't played all that badly when he's gotten a chance this year and last.

FWIW, I also think Plumlee gets a bad rap. He's a productive rotation guy/spot starter. Overpaid, sure, but not nearly as bad as some make him out to be.

Faried's a good player, just an odd fit on a lot of teams.

Plumlee's deal is too large and it's a bit of a head-scratcher why they did that, but other than FT's he's a good and versatile player. Definitely not a top 25 worst deal.

[Smitty731]

Anderson starts and is playing well for one of the best teams in the NBA. He's overpaid, but starting and playing well counts for a lot. I didn't even really consider putting him on the list.

Biyombo and Dieng are both rotation players. Neither is any sort of star, but both are healthy and contribute. Again, they are overpaid, but not by a ridiculously amount for a rotation guy. That kept Biyombo off the list for me.

In no real order here are the other guys I had in consideration:
George Hill
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Kyle Lowry (only because of injury considerations)
Jonas Valanciunas (kind of a dinosaur now, even if I personally think he's fairly paid for his role)
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Langston Galloway
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Cristiano Felicio
Dion Waiters
Bismack Biyombo

I love the feedback though. Would love to see some others you think belong on the list!

I suspect Ty Johnson will be harder to move than Waiters.

Johnson has a ton of fans around the league. And a lot of people are very worried about Waiters and this latest injury and what kind of shape he'll be in when he comes back.

[jbk1234]

Anderson starts and is playing well for one of the best teams in the NBA. He's overpaid, but starting and playing well counts for a lot. I didn't even really consider putting him on the list.

Biyombo and Dieng are both rotation players. Neither is any sort of star, but both are healthy and contribute. Again, they are overpaid, but not by a ridiculously amount for a rotation guy. That kept Biyombo off the list for me.

In no real order here are the other guys I had in consideration:
George Hill
Evan Turner
Meyers Leonard
Kyle Lowry (only because of injury considerations)
Jonas Valanciunas (kind of a dinosaur now, even if I personally think he's fairly paid for his role)
Serge Ibaka
Reggie Jackson
Langston Galloway
JR Smith
Tristan Thompson
Cristiano Felicio
Dion Waiters
Bismack Biyombo

I love the feedback though. Would love to see some others you think belong on the list!

I suspect Ty Johnson will be harder to move than Waiters.

Johnson has a ton of fans around the league. And a lot of people are very worried about Waiters and this latest injury and what kind of shape he'll be in when he comes back.

He's owed $40 million over the two seasons after this one and he's back up. He can't break his guy down off the dribble. I can't think of a team that would trade for him without sending an equally bad contract back.