Get Milwaukee it's 3rd star

[DanishLakerFan]

So I think the Bucks will resign Jabari Parker this off-season. I love Middleton and think Bledsoe is the most talented pg we have had in awhile but something does not seem to work with them. Wondering what Milwaukee could get for a package of Middleton or Bledsoe + Brogdon or Middleton and Bledsoe. I think our targets should be Kemba Walker, Kevin Love, Hassan Whiteside, Paul George (S&T), Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, John Wall. Wouldn't mind getting you players with upside either but I think Giannis is in win now mode so getting that 3rd star is important.

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How about trading Middleton+_____ to the Pelican for Boogie Cousins (sign and trade). Would work for both teams, imo.

Bledsose - Brogdon - Jabari - Giannis - Boogie

Jrue - Moore - Middleton - Mirotic - Davis

[Village Idiot]

They need shooting. They can try and go for Paul George this offseason, even though the chances of his signing with the Bucks is extremely low.

Maybe CJ Mccollum?

I'd love CJ at the Bucks. Would want some slight value kicked back though if we're giving up Bledsoe & Middleton.

The problem is Getting CJ to the Bucks, they just don't have the assets to pull it off since Portland is also in win now mode so downgrading CJ to Middleton wouldn't be a huge draw, and Bledsoe would add limited value as a backup, I also don't see him having enough trade value on his own to net enough value that Portland would even consider an offer for CJ. Not only is he one of Lillards best friends, he is also the GMs favorite. He is just difficult to make an offer for.

Looking at the Bucks other players, while I doubt Parker is on the table, with his injury history I wouldn't even consider him as a possibility for Portland, leaving only Giannis which completely defeats the purpose even if the Bucks would consider trading him which they won't.

While as a pair yes they could have more value and Bucks fans could certainly argue this, in this case the blazers would want quality not quantity, just like the bucks. With the overpay to get CJ there just isn't a deal here that I can see unless Portland would decide to completely rebuild which isn't likely.

I don't know that Middleton is such a big step down from McCollum and Middleton and Bledsoe is certainly an appealing offer.

Personally Paul George is still the guy I want Portland to get but a sign-and trade is the only way to get him. OKC is limited in how much salary they can take back for George given their luxury tax situation. Portland would need to make a couple of other deals prior to this one. Not sure if a 3-way is a viable solution but here goes:

Milwaukee trades:

Middleton - 13 million. PO in 2019-20
Brogdon - 1.5 million
Teletovic - 10.5 million ending. Would be stretched by OKC

Milwaukee receives:

McCollum - 25.7 million
Singler - 5 million, unguaranteed in 2019-20

OKC trades:

George - s+t 30 million
Singler

OKC receives:

Middleton - 13 million. PO in 2019-20
Brogdon - 1.5 million
Teletovic - 10.5 million ending. Would be stretched by OKC

Portland trades:

McCollum - 25.7 million

Portland receives:

George - 30 million

[Mr Loggins]

who’s the 2nd star?

[nmeurett]

The Bucks don’t even have a 2nd star and you’re talking about getting a 3rd star.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

I consider Jabari Parker or 2nd our 3rd star as he has the talent and is the right age to match up with Giannis. The thing holding him back is Injuries but id rather roll the dice and stick with him and trade a combo of Middleton/Bledose/Brogdon to get another star.

[skones]

I'd love CJ at the Bucks. Would want some slight value kicked back though if we're giving up Bledsoe & Middleton.

The problem is Getting CJ to the Bucks, they just don't have the assets to pull it off since Portland is also in win now mode so downgrading CJ to Middleton wouldn't be a huge draw, and Bledsoe would add limited value as a backup, I also don't see him having enough trade value on his own to net enough value that Portland would even consider an offer for CJ. Not only is he one of Lillards best friends, he is also the GMs favorite. He is just difficult to make an offer for.

Looking at the Bucks other players, while I doubt Parker is on the table, with his injury history I wouldn't even consider him as a possibility for Portland, leaving only Giannis which completely defeats the purpose even if the Bucks would consider trading him which they won't.

While as a pair yes they could have more value and Bucks fans could certainly argue this, in this case the blazers would want quality not quantity, just like the bucks. With the overpay to get CJ there just isn't a deal here that I can see unless Portland would decide to completely rebuild which isn't likely.

I don't know that Middleton is such a big step down from McCollum and Middleton and Bledsoe is certainly an appealing offer.

Personally Paul George is still the guy I want Portland to get but a sign-and trade is the only way to get him. OKC is limited in how much salary they can take back for George given their luxury tax situation. Portland would need to make a couple of other deals prior to this one. Not sure if a 3-way is a viable solution but here goes:

Milwaukee trades:

Middleton - 13 million. PO in 2019-20
Brogdon - 1.5 million
Teletovic - 10.5 million ending. Would be stretched by OKC

Milwaukee receives:

McCollum - 25.7 million
Singler - 5 million, unguaranteed in 2019-20

OKC trades:

George - s+t 30 million
Singler

OKC receives:

Middleton - 13 million. PO in 2019-20
Brogdon - 1.5 million
Teletovic - 10.5 million ending. Would be stretched by OKC

Portland trades:

McCollum - 25.7 million

Portland receives:

George - 30 million

Teletovic won't be dealt as he'll essentially be forced to retire next season and come off of our cap. No other team can take advantage of this. As far as Middleton v McCollum? The difference is minimal if any. Brogdon is far too much and then you've got us taking on extra salary too?

Pretty easy pass for me.

[M-C-G]

The problem is Getting CJ to the Bucks, they just don't have the assets to pull it off since Portland is also in win now mode so downgrading CJ to Middleton wouldn't be a huge draw, and Bledsoe would add limited value as a backup, I also don't see him having enough trade value on his own to net enough value that Portland would even consider an offer for CJ. Not only is he one of Lillards best friends, he is also the GMs favorite. He is just difficult to make an offer for.

Looking at the Bucks other players, while I doubt Parker is on the table, with his injury history I wouldn't even consider him as a possibility for Portland, leaving only Giannis which completely defeats the purpose even if the Bucks would consider trading him which they won't.

While as a pair yes they could have more value and Bucks fans could certainly argue this, in this case the blazers would want quality not quantity, just like the bucks. With the overpay to get CJ there just isn't a deal here that I can see unless Portland would decide to completely rebuild which isn't likely.

I don't know that Middleton is such a big step down from McCollum and Middleton and Bledsoe is certainly an appealing offer.

Personally Paul George is still the guy I want Portland to get but a sign-and trade is the only way to get him. OKC is limited in how much salary they can take back for George given their luxury tax situation. Portland would need to make a couple of other deals prior to this one. Not sure if a 3-way is a viable solution but here goes:

Milwaukee trades:

Middleton - 13 million. PO in 2019-20
Brogdon - 1.5 million
Teletovic - 10.5 million ending. Would be stretched by OKC

Milwaukee receives:

McCollum - 25.7 million
Singler - 5 million, unguaranteed in 2019-20

OKC trades:

George - s+t 30 million
Singler

OKC receives:

Middleton - 13 million. PO in 2019-20
Brogdon - 1.5 million
Teletovic - 10.5 million ending. Would be stretched by OKC

Portland trades:

McCollum - 25.7 million

Portland receives:

George - 30 million

Teletovic won't be dealt as he'll essentially be forced to retire next season and come off of our cap. No other team can take advantage of this. As far as Middleton v McCollum? The difference is minimal if any. Brogdon is far too much and then you've got us taking on extra salary too?

Pretty easy pass for me.

Just cut Portland out of this deal and get George here to pair with Giannis.

[NoZoLakers]

The Bucks don’t even have a 2nd star and you’re talking about getting a 3rd star.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Ummm, the 22 year old guy who averaged 20ppg last season before tearing his acl for the second time. Well, he’s back again and looks good again on minutes restriction. A star for sure if he can stay healthy.

he is a potential star....not there yet. but OK

Wiggins scores 20+ppg last season, nobody calls him a star

[jbent87]

The Bucks don’t even have a 2nd star and you’re talking about getting a 3rd star.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Ummm, the 22 year old guy who averaged 20ppg last season before tearing his acl for the second time. Well, he’s back again and looks good again on minutes restriction. A star for sure if he can stay healthy.

yeah, that "if" is f'ng humongous. And don't even start with Embiid's "if" on the Sixers either. One player transforms his teams record and defense when he plays. The other is a nice story for a tweener, nice player. He's not a star.

[daoneandonly]

Giannis is a bonafide beast, could easily be the best player in the league sooner rather than later. That being said, they'll need a 2nd star before they worry about getting a 3rd. neither Bledsoe or Midds is that.

[R-DAWG]

I think Milwaukee needs a 2nd star before they can think about a 3rd star. Middleton, Bledsoe, ect are solid 3rd/4th options and Jabari still has a ton of potential, but none are considered stars.

Some combination of Bledsoe or Middleton, Thon Maker, and future pick (s) should put Milwaukee in play for whoever becomes available in a trade.

[R-DAWG]

I think Milwaukee needs a 2nd star before they can think about a 3rd star. Middleton, Bledsoe, ect are solid 3rd/4th options and Jabari still has a ton of potential, but none are considered stars.

Some combination of Bledsoe or Middleton, Thon Maker, and future pick (s) should put Milwaukee in play for whoever becomes available in a trade.

I could see Milwaukee turning into 2008-2010 Cleveland, where Lebron's rise to top player outpaced the roster's growth and CLE made some bad roster decisions trying to have a punchers chance, and you can't fault them. But it resulted in a roster that was never going to be good enough to compete for title's which ultamtley led to Lebron leaving.

[FNQ]

I think Milwaukee needs a 2nd star before they can think about a 3rd star. Middleton, Bledsoe, ect are solid 3rd/4th options and Jabari still has a ton of potential, but none are considered stars.

Some combination of Bledsoe or Middleton, Thon Maker, and future pick (s) should put Milwaukee in play for whoever becomes available in a trade.

I could see Milwaukee turning into 2008-2010 Cleveland, where Lebron's rise to top player outpaced the roster's growth and CLE made some bad roster decisions trying to have a punchers chance, and you can't fault them. But it resulted in a roster that was never going to be good enough to compete for title's which ultamtley led to Lebron leaving.

Came here to post this. Milwaukee has their franchise player, and 3 "3rd" stars. Bledsoe doesnt seem to fit that well, so he's a natural candidate for trade. That leaves Middleton and Jabari, and I'd keep Middleton if I were them.

Some ideas for a 3rd star, who's really more of a #2:

S&T with OKC: Jabari Parker for Paul George. This is of course assuming PG13 wants to play for MIL w/Giannis and wont resign in OKC. Thunder get a risky player with tremendous upside to pair with Russ.

S&T with SAS: Jabari Parker for Kawhi Leonard (and, for CBA compliance, a separate but connected trade of Bledsoe for Pau Gasol). This would only get off the ground if the Kawhi/SAS rift is true, and yes, I'm aware of what Kawhi said publicly. But there's too much smoke to pretend there isn't some small fire there. Bledsoe seems like the kind of talent Pop could harness.

S&T with WSH: Jabari Parker for Bradley Beal (CBA compliance - Eric Bledsoe for Markieff Morris + Jason Smith). Wizards get their pure scoring 4, opening up more perimeter scoring opportunities for Porter. Bucks get a sharpshooting 2 to pair with Middleton/Brogdon, which all of a sudden makes perimeter shooting a strength.

S&T with CLE: Jabari Parker for Kevin Love. Love's value has dipped since being dealt for Wiggins, and if LeBron leaves, then the Cavs should strive to get younger. Jabari Parker would do that for them. Love would provide some serious big man shooting skills.

[R-DAWG]

I think Milwaukee needs a 2nd star before they can think about a 3rd star. Middleton, Bledsoe, ect are solid 3rd/4th options and Jabari still has a ton of potential, but none are considered stars.

Some combination of Bledsoe or Middleton, Thon Maker, and future pick (s) should put Milwaukee in play for whoever becomes available in a trade.

I could see Milwaukee turning into 2008-2010 Cleveland, where Lebron's rise to top player outpaced the roster's growth and CLE made some bad roster decisions trying to have a punchers chance, and you can't fault them. But it resulted in a roster that was never going to be good enough to compete for title's which ultamtley led to Lebron leaving.

Came here to post this. Milwaukee has their franchise player, and 3 "3rd" stars. Bledsoe doesnt seem to fit that well, so he's a natural candidate for trade. That leaves Middleton and Jabari, and I'd keep Middleton if I were them.

Some ideas for a 3rd star, who's really more of a #2:

S&T with OKC: Jabari Parker for Paul George. This is of course assuming PG13 wants to play for MIL w/Giannis and wont resign in OKC. Thunder get a risky player with tremendous upside to pair with Russ.

S&T with SAS: Jabari Parker for Kawhi Leonard (and, for CBA compliance, a separate but connected trade of Bledsoe for Pau Gasol). This would only get off the ground if the Kawhi/SAS rift is true, and yes, I'm aware of what Kawhi said publicly. But there's too much smoke to pretend there isn't some small fire there. Bledsoe seems like the kind of talent Pop could harness.

S&T with WSH: Jabari Parker for Bradley Beal (CBA compliance - Eric Bledsoe for Markieff Morris + Jason Smith). Wizards get their pure scoring 4, opening up more perimeter scoring opportunities for Porter. Bucks get a sharpshooting 2 to pair with Middleton/Brogdon, which all of a sudden makes perimeter shooting a strength.

S&T with CLE: Jabari Parker for Kevin Love. Love's value has dipped since being dealt for Wiggins, and if LeBron leaves, then the Cavs should strive to get younger. Jabari Parker would do that for them. Love would provide some serious big man shooting skills.

Jabari does not have anywhere near that kind of value with his injury history and I think he will still get good money this summer. Maybe a Jabari and Bledsoe for Kevin Love trade could have some legs, but i'm not sure I'd do that if I was CLE. But I don't see Paul George forcing his way to MIL and Washington and SA would get a much safer return if they wanted to move Beal or Leonard.

[FNQ]

Jabari does not have anywhere near that kind of value with his injury history and I think he will still get good money this summer. Maybe a Jabari and Bledsoe for Kevin Love trade could have some legs, but i'm not sure I'd do that if I was CLE.

Injury history is overstated. Fans fear this stuff a lot more than trainers, doctors. This isnt microfracture surgery (gives you a shortened shelf-life but heals you quicker) or patellar tendon stuff (career ender), or even Achilles injuries (improving but still dangerous). ACL injuries are more freak accidents and only tend to happen repeatedly to the same leg when there's a mechanical flaw, or extremely bad luck. I've seen both of Jabari's ACL tears. I wouldn't worry, and if I wouldn't worry - sports medicine grad here - then trainers and doctors are advising their GMs the same thing. And if there is no significant long-term injury worry, we're just evaluating the player for the next 4 years.

And that player is good.

Any of these deals might not be PR gold, but I guarantee you that Jabari Parker has more value IRL than he ever will on a fan forum. Fans love to react to buzzwords, and ACL is one of them.

[skones]

The Bucks don’t even have a 2nd star and you’re talking about getting a 3rd star.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Ummm, the 22 year old guy who averaged 20ppg last season before tearing his acl for the second time. Well, he’s back again and looks good again on minutes restriction. A star for sure if he can stay healthy.

yeah, that "if" is f'ng humongous. And don't even start with Embiid's "if" on the Sixers either. One player transforms his teams record and defense when he plays. The other is a nice story for a tweener, nice player. He's not a star.

I don't think Jabari is a star right now. I think he will be, but that's my opinion. With that being said, why go even further and marginalize him by calling him "a nice story for a tweener." That's going too far and completely inaccurate. The idea of a "tweener" in todays league is so antiquated in an era of spread the floor positionless basketball, in the same way that "pure point guards" no longer matter.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Ummm, the 22 year old guy who averaged 20ppg last season before tearing his acl for the second time. Well, he’s back again and looks good again on minutes restriction. A star for sure if he can stay healthy.

yeah, that "if" is f'ng humongous. And don't even start with Embiid's "if" on the Sixers either. One player transforms his teams record and defense when he plays. The other is a nice story for a tweener, nice player. He's not a star.

I don't think Jabari is a star right now, I think he will be, but that's my opinion. With that being said, why go even further and marginalize him by calling him "a nice story for a tweener." That's going too far and completely inaccurate. The idea of a "tweener" in todays league is so antiquated in an era of spread the floor positionless basketball, in the same way that "pure point guards" no longer matter.

I can't comment on his ability to do this, but the tweener designation is still relevant because poistionless is just an offensive perspective. A tweener in modern basketball is someone too slow to guard 3s and too small to guard 4s.

[skones]

yeah, that "if" is f'ng humongous. And don't even start with Embiid's "if" on the Sixers either. One player transforms his teams record and defense when he plays. The other is a nice story for a tweener, nice player. He's not a star.

I don't think Jabari is a star right now, I think he will be, but that's my opinion. With that being said, why go even further and marginalize him by calling him "a nice story for a tweener." That's going too far and completely inaccurate. The idea of a "tweener" in todays league is so antiquated in an era of spread the floor positionless basketball, in the same way that "pure point guards" no longer matter.

I can't comment on his ability to do this, but the tweener designation is still relevant because poistionless is just an offensive perspective. A tweener in modern basketball is someone too slow to guard 3s and too small to guard 4s.

And "too small to guard fours" is a rare thing. These guys aren't 6'10 put me on the block and get me a bucket anymore.

Either way, it's absolutely ridiculous to say that Jabari Parker at 6'9 240lbs is "too small" to guard a power forward. Footspeed isn't necessarily his issue either. Will he be good at it? Well, he's average man up and clueless on rotations. That's an entirely different argument.

[DB43]

The Bucks don’t even have a 2nd star and you’re talking about getting a 3rd star.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Ummm, the 22 year old guy who averaged 20ppg last season before tearing his acl for the second time. Well, he’s back again and looks good again on minutes restriction. A star for sure if he can stay healthy.

Yeah. Not a star. Could be? Maybe.

[DB43]

The Bucks don’t even have a 2nd star and you’re talking about getting a 3rd star.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

I consider Jabari Parker or 2nd our 3rd star as he has the talent and is the right age to match up with Giannis. The thing holding him back is Injuries but id rather roll the dice and stick with him and trade a combo of Middleton/Bledose/Brogdon to get another star.

I'd keep middleton. Get rid of Bledsoe as fast as you can. Jabari is a huge roll of the dice. Middleton a sure thing, and a shooter you guys need.

[lordjeff05]

So I think the Bucks will resign Jabari Parker this off-season. I love Middleton and think Bledsoe is the most talented pg we have had in awhile but something does not seem to work with them. Wondering what Milwaukee could get for a package of Middleton or Bledsoe + Brogdon or Middleton and Bledsoe. I think our targets should be Kemba Walker, Kevin Love, Hassan Whiteside, Paul George (S&T), Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, John Wall. Wouldn't mind getting you players with upside either but I think Giannis is in win now mode so getting that 3rd star is important.

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How about trading Middleton+_____ to the Pelican for Boogie Cousins (sign and trade). Would work for both teams, imo.

Bledsose - Brogdon - Jabari - Giannis - Boogie

Jrue - Moore - Middleton - Mirotic - Davis

It would never happen, but the only two Boogie trade deals that I would do are Middleton and Brogdon, or Otto and Satoransky. Both would provide a big guard and a big wing. BUt given the injury risk that's likely too much to give and from our end, it may damage AD's relationship with the team.