Find the Hawks a Center.

[babyjax13]

First thought:

Something around Crabbe/D. Jones/sweeteners for John Henson/Brandon Knight.

Not big names, but Atlanta gets a guy who can play C and Knight who (at least on paper) can generate some offence off the bench.

Cleveland clears out Henson to free up minutes at C (unless they really want to give them to Jones I guess) and swaps one of their many combo scoring guards for a catch-and-shoot guy (at least on paper) in Crabbe. They also save $5M and get that extra room under the tax line.

The real incentive for Cleveland is the sweetener...though i don't know how inclined Atlanta would be to give up much.

Saving $5M seems like enough incentive for Cleveland given what they're trading away. Henson's behind Nance and possibly Thompson at center and Knight seems like a deep bench option given their guards.

I think the Cavs want see how Henson fits as the haven't had any type of rim protector in years.

I do something around TT for Crabbe and a pick.



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Assuming a second? Seems fair to me. Crabbe will miss some time, TT is healthy. Otherwise I think they are equal in value as players with desirable skills (shooting and rimrunning respectively) but that are overpaid for what they do.

[loserX]

First thought:

Something around Crabbe/D. Jones/sweeteners for John Henson/Brandon Knight.

Not big names, but Atlanta gets a guy who can play C and Knight who (at least on paper) can generate some offence off the bench.

Cleveland clears out Henson to free up minutes at C (unless they really want to give them to Jones I guess) and swaps one of their many combo scoring guards for a catch-and-shoot guy (at least on paper) in Crabbe. They also save $5M and get that extra room under the tax line.

The real incentive for Cleveland is the sweetener...though i don't know how inclined Atlanta would be to give up much.

Saving $5M seems like enough incentive for Cleveland given what they're trading away. Henson's behind Nance and possibly Thompson at center and Knight seems like a deep bench option given their guards.

I agree, but unfortunately Cleveland is in the same position as Atlanta (and Memphis, another team I've tried to get involved with the Cavs): they all have huge expirings and they're all in full rebuild mode. Cleveland isn't going to make a Henson deal just to save money, they'd rather get worse expirings and sweetener. But neither Atlanta nor Memphis are in the sweetener-giving mood!

[jbk1234]

Saving $5M seems like enough incentive for Cleveland given what they're trading away. Henson's behind Nance and possibly Thompson at center and Knight seems like a deep bench option given their guards.

I think the Cavs want see how Henson fits as the haven't had any type of rim protector in years.

I do something around TT for Crabbe and a pick.



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Assuming a second? Seems fair to me. Crabbe will miss some time, TT is healthy. Otherwise I think they are equal in value as players with desirable skills (shooting and rimrunning respectively) but that are overpaid for what they do.

Maybe two seconds. Crabbe sucks. TT doesn't. Other Cavs fans will want a first but I'd be okay with 2 seconds.

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[jayu70]

What about one stop shopping...

FVV + Ibaka for Expirings + Value

This may need to be after Raptors throw in towel, but Atlanta has youth and/or picks to throw their way.

Hawks also test drive FVV for purpose of liking him enough to make FA offer.

I'd love to see Portland sneak in there for FVV + Ibaka for Expirings + Value.

Is there a 3 team trade that could work between ATL/TOR/PTL?

[Mamba4Goat]

If they find themselves out of the rotation...

Boston sends Poirier, 2021 2nd
Boston receives: Bell or Vonleh

Atlanta sends: 2022 2nd
Atlanta receives: Poirier

Wolves send: Vonleh/Bell
Wolves receive: Atlanta, Boston 2nds

[jayu70]

If they find themselves out of the rotation...

Boston sends Poirier, 2021 2nd
Boston receives: Bell or Vonleh

Atlanta sends: 2022 2nd
Atlanta receives: Poirier

Wolves send: Vonleh/Bell
Wolves receive: Atlanta, Boston 2nds

I have no idea who Poirer is (I actually wanna say Hercule Peroit with a french accent, lol).
Does he have NBA experience?

[Myth]

What about one stop shopping...

FVV + Ibaka for Expirings + Value

This may need to be after Raptors throw in towel, but Atlanta has youth and/or picks to throw their way.

Hawks also test drive FVV for purpose of liking him enough to make FA offer.

I'd love to see Portland sneak in there for FVV + Ibaka for Expirings + Value.

Is there a 3 team trade that could work between ATL/TOR/PTL?

I'm not against it, but if Toronto just wants expirings plus value, not sure it is necessary since Portland has those things to give directly to Toronto. I'm too busy right now to sit down and explore the details of a potential trade, but maybe I'll get around to it later.

[evilution]

(Crabbe or Turner)+incentives for Valanciunas?
Valanciunas is locked for 3 years on a team-friendly (declining) deal, he seems to be in his prime, and his timing is a bit off with the rest of Memphis core. Memphis also just drafted Clarke who seems to be more NBA-ready than most rookies. Granted, JV is on a pretty good deal, played great post-trade, and is great teammate and Memphis might be reluctant to let him go.
He's also been doing pretty good in Embiid matchup, with seems to be very relevant for East.

[Mamba4Goat]

If they find themselves out of the rotation...

Boston sends Poirier, 2021 2nd
Boston receives: Bell or Vonleh

Atlanta sends: 2022 2nd
Atlanta receives: Poirier

Wolves send: Vonleh/Bell
Wolves receive: Atlanta, Boston 2nds

I have no idea who Poirer is (I actually wanna say Hercule Peroit with a french accent, lol).
Does he have NBA experience?

Boston brought him over this off season and he seems like he may fall out of their rotation with Kanter/Thies/Williams all earning minutes over him in the preseason. Admittedly I don't know a crazy amount about him.

[blind prophet]

Giles for 2020 BKN, rights to swap 2020 ATL pick for Sac 2020?

[jayu70]

(Crabbe or Turner)+incentives for Valanciunas?
Valanciunas is locked for 3 years on a team-friendly (declining) deal, he seems to be in his prime, and his timing is a bit off with the rest of Memphis core. Memphis also just drafted Clarke who seems to be more NBA-ready than most rookies. Granted, JV is on a pretty good deal, played great post-trade, and is great teammate and Memphis might be reluctant to let him go.
He's also been doing pretty good in Embiid matchup, with seems to be very relevant for East.

Hawks didn't want to pay Dedmon 3yrs/$40 mil, i think it'll be a tough sell to Hawks fans that Val at 3yrs/$45 mil is better plus giving up incentive.
Granted Val is 3 years younger than Dedmon, so might be something there.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I still think Bamba is the target. Just don’t know what the Magic would need.

[realball]

(Crabbe or Turner)+incentives for Valanciunas?
Valanciunas is locked for 3 years on a team-friendly (declining) deal, he seems to be in his prime, and his timing is a bit off with the rest of Memphis core. Memphis also just drafted Clarke who seems to be more NBA-ready than most rookies. Granted, JV is on a pretty good deal, played great post-trade, and is great teammate and Memphis might be reluctant to let him go.
He's also been doing pretty good in Embiid matchup, with seems to be very relevant for East.

Hawks didn't want to pay Dedmon 3yrs/$40 mil, i think it'll be a tough sell to Hawks fans that Val at 3yrs/$45 mil is better plus giving up incentive.
Granted Val is 3 years younger than Dedmon, so might be something there.

JV is also a much better player than Dedmon, so there's that.

[CP War Hawks]

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[NYG]

Taj Gibson and Elfrid Payton for Evan Turner and OKC Conditional Pick (essentially two second round picks)?

[kg01]

SAC fans, is Giles get-able?

ORL fans, same question on Bamba.

[Zordor]

Probably not gonna happen but Id give Jonas, Anderson, and Melton for Hunter and Crabbe

[Myth]

I'd love to see Portland sneak in there for FVV + Ibaka for Expirings + Value.

Is there a 3 team trade that could work between ATL/TOR/PTL?

I'm not against it, but if Toronto just wants expirings plus value, not sure it is necessary since Portland has those things to give directly to Toronto. I'm too busy right now to sit down and explore the details of a potential trade, but maybe I'll get around to it later.

I was looking into it and I still think anything I came up with made more sense to cut out the Hawks, but I'll lay out different things I was looking at.

Portland in:
Fred VanVleet
Ibaka

Raptors in:
Whiteside
Simons
(2nd rounders?)

Why for Portland: I think Ibaka would be a fantastic fit for Portland. He can play C while Nurkic remains out, but would be a good fit next to Nurkic too. Nurkic/Ibaka/Collins is a terrific front court rotation. Meanwhile, VanVleet is more experienced (especially after a championship) and proven as a backup PG that fits with a win now mentality.

Why for Raptors: They save money this upcoming season, Whiteside comes off the books, and they have Simons set on a cheap deal for several years instead of trying to figure out if they will give VanVleet a contract after this season. Simons is the main goal here for the Raptors to see if the hype pays off. Portland could probably throw in a 2nd or 2, but no firsts if compensation is needed.


The only way I see the Hawks getting included is if the Raptors refuse to take on Whiteside. To land Ibaka and VanVleet, Portland would need to send out Whiteside, so he could be re-routed to the Hawks. The Hawks would then need to send out salary, which the only thing that made sense is Chandler Parsons, who would have to go to Portland, and Portland would need to send out Bazemore to Toronto. This is all for salary matching purposes, but then it doesn't look like a good trade for Portland anymore (downgrading from Bazemore to Parsons), so Portland would need compensated.

Portland in:
Fred VanVleet
Ibaka
Parsons
(Additional compensation: Pick or get another player in who can play SG/SF)

Portland out:
Simons
Bazemore
Whiteside

Raptors in:
Simons
Bazemore

Raptors out:
Ibaka
VanVleet

Hawks in:
Whiteside

Hawks out:
Parsons
Additional compensation (draft pick and/or SG/SF)

I have a hard time finding an appropriate compensation though. A 2nd rounder isn't enough, but the Hawks' 1st is is too much. Maybe Portland gets the right to swap picks with the Hawks (top 10 or lottery protected, and if not conveyed then it is a 2nd).

[Klomp]

Sounds like what they need is Gorgui Dieng!

[jbk1234]

Probably not gonna happen but Id give Jonas, Anderson, and Melton for Hunter and Crabbe

Did you see what the Hawks traded to get Hunter?

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