Kevin Love to PHX

[hauntedkiwi]

Trading for Kevin Love is the kind of move that gets people fired.

I would hope James Jones learns from Suns VP of Basketball Ops Jeff Bower's mistakes. I. E. Trading for Blake Griffin and getting fired less than a year later.

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[K_chile22]

Love is a PF. He's played PF his entire career except for a single season. He's playing PF right now.

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While he has played more PF than C I think he is best as a Center.



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positions are mostly meaningless. Ayton or Baynes would obviously play center on offense and Love play the 4 and defense is all about matchups. Suns are already pretty poor defensively--his defensive rebounding probably helps more than his lack of mobility hurts.

I think its pretty clear he's an on-court upgrade for them. I think this is an overpay in terms of trade value, but it would make them better right now for sure. But taking on $90M after this year on Love, you shouldn't have to give up any additional value imo.

So do you think PHX is giving too much, Cleveland is getting too much, or both?

[jbk1234]

While he has played more PF than C I think he is best as a Center.



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positions are mostly meaningless. Ayton or Baynes would obviously play center on offense and Love play the 4 and defense is all about matchups. Suns are already pretty poor defensively--his defensive rebounding probably helps more than his lack of mobility hurts.

I think its pretty clear he's an on-court upgrade for them. I think this is an overpay in terms of trade value, but it would make them better right now for sure. But taking on $90M after this year on Love, you shouldn't have to give up any additional value imo.

So do you think PHX is giving too much, Cleveland is getting too much, or both?

Chuck thinks the Cavs should trade Love just for future cap space. I don't really see why the Cavs should do that. I don't think they'll need the cap space any time soon.

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[Phystic]

Love is a PF. He's played PF his entire career except for a single season. He's playing PF right now.

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While he has played more PF than C I think he is best as a Center.



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positions are mostly meaningless. Ayton or Baynes would obviously play center on offense and Love play the 4 and defense is all about matchups. Suns are already pretty poor defensively--his defensive rebounding probably helps more than his lack of mobility hurts.

I think its pretty clear he's an on-court upgrade for them. I think this is an overpay in terms of trade value, but it would make them better right now for sure. But taking on $90M after this year on Love, you shouldn't have to give up any additional value imo.

I agree with most of this, I don't necessarily agree Suns are bad defensively. I think injuries to arguably the two most important positions defensively, PG and C, has really hurt. Our rebounding has also been atrocious in most games. With Rubio back and seemingly healthy, and Ayton/Baynes nearing returns I think it will put us back to how we played defensively the first few games of the year which was pretty good(I think I remember reading we were top 10 defensively, granted only a few games of data at the time).

As for the Trade, I do not like or really want Love's contract. Though I do like Love's fit on the team. His rebounding and shooting would fit well, his passing would also be a nice plus to have. I think Ayton is mobile enough defensively where he can probably guard the more mobile big man.

Even though I quite like Johnson and Carter it seems most will be down the bench as Jerome seems to be the preferred back up guard, so really this trade is Saric and the pick.

[VCfor3]

I agree with Chuck that this is probably an overpay by the Suns and Cleveland is making out well, but unless there is clear positive value coming back to the Cavs they likely won't consider it. I could see Portland also entering the bidding war and justifying an overpay. Personally I'd send the Houston pick back to PHX in the OP's deal, but all-in-all I think it is a very solid idea and something like this may be what it takes for Cleveland to pull the trigger.

[Pipp33]

I think Love would have fit very well on Suns, but Baynes has been sort of filling that role as ashooting big, with better defense, for them this year. Yes, I know Baynes is not the same pedigree as Love, but what he has done with his playing time this season has been incredible. Love has a pretty big contract and is not geting any younger and has missed plenty of games over the last number of years

[hcsilla]

Heavy overpay for Love.

The Suns should keep the picks and even if they do, I'm not sure that Love is the player who they would kill their cap flexibility in the next coming years for.

The Suns aren't really going to have a lot of cap flexibility regardless. If they don't trade for a PF, they'll likely re-sign Saric and/or Baynes and/or another PF. They'll have minimal space after that.
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Cap flexibility is not equal with having cap space. Bad contracts reduce cap flexibility anyway.

I'm not sure at all they will re-sign Saric. Even after re-signing Baynes the Suns can easily create 15-20 mil. cap space.

Trading for Love would bestially kill this option for years.