Hayward opt in and trade up on draft night. (Trade ideas)

[Buzzard]

yeah, but then you compete against boston. And yeah i understand that dedmon brings D, but Kantter gives you 8 and 8 in 15 min backing up cappela, is paying Dedmom 26 mil over the next two years worth his production when Kanter is 5 mill? that 8 mill is 30% of collins new deal. And what "picks" are you refering to. You get one of the later celtic picks at most.

Dedmon is guaranteed $1 million in the final year.
Not included Huerter and expect to only receive a later pick.

so what are you paying for Hayward?

The Hawks have to pay Collins next season. I am not sure they want to worry about losing Hayward if they don't want to pay him 30 plus million starting. Its pretty much the same problem with Oladipo and I don't think they try to trade for his one year deal either.

In my opinion the Hawks are not good trade partners for UFA's if you are expecting a good return.

[Resistance]

I can see Atlanta working, but it will be all three of the picks and hayward. They may want Kanter instead of Dedmon so they can save 20 mil there. What I would find more likely is Kanter and Hayward for Dedmon and Huerter. They may want a later 1st And the celts get a nice TPE

That idea has been kicked around on our board. But I can't see the Hawks looking to add that many '20 picks. They certainly don't want more rookies. And their issues are defensive, which is an area Dedmon actually helps more than Kanter would.

If they want Hayward, may as well wait a year and just pursue him via free agency.

yeah, but then you compete against boston. And yeah i understand that dedmon brings D, but Kantter gives you 8 and 8 in 15 min backing up cappela, is paying Dedmom 26 mil over the next two years worth his production when Kanter is 5 mill? that 8 mill is 30% of collins new deal. And what "picks" are you refering to. You get one of the later celtic picks at most.

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Dedmon

Contract Notes:
$300k unlikely incentives (@JeffSiegel)
2021 $1 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 07/01/21

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Atlanta

Dewayne Dedmon
Traded from SAC to ATL February 6, 2020.
2021-22 is not guaranteed.
Signed 3-yr $40M contract July 8, 2019.

Basketball Insiders
Atlanta

Deadlines

8/1/20 — Brandon Goodwin’s $1,701,593 guarantees for 2020-21 (revised date TBD).
10/16/20 — NBA Draft.
10/17/20 — Qualifying offer deadlines for Skal Labissiere, Damian Jones, Charlie Brown Jr. and De’Andre’ Bembry.
10/19/20-10/23/20 — NBA Moratorium.
Before first day of 2020-2021 season — Extension deadline for John Collins.
10/31/20 — Team options on Trae Young, Cam Reddish, De’Andre Hunter and Kevin Huerter for 2021-22 (revised date TBD).
6/29/21 — Qualifying offer deadlines for John Collins and Brandon Goodwin.
7/1/21 — Dewayne Dedmon’s $13,633,333 (incentives TBD) for the 2021-22 season.

is paying Dedmom 26 mil over the next two years worth his production

Please provide supporting documentation.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Dedmon is guaranteed $1 million in the final year.
Not included Huerter and expect to only receive a later pick.

so what are you paying for Hayward?

The Hawks have to pay Collins next season, I am not sure they want to worry about losing Hayward if they don't want to pay him 30 plus million starting. Its pretty much the same problem with Oladipo and I don't think they try to trade for his one year deal either.

I don't think the Hawks are good trade partners for UFA's if you are expecting a good return.

I wouldn’t give positive value for Hayward right now

[MoneyTalks41890]

Kanter is not opting into a 5m PO zero chance

[patman66]

That idea has been kicked around on our board. But I can't see the Hawks looking to add that many '20 picks. They certainly don't want more rookies. And their issues are defensive, which is an area Dedmon actually helps more than Kanter would.

If they want Hayward, may as well wait a year and just pursue him via free agency.

yeah, but then you compete against boston. And yeah i understand that dedmon brings D, but Kantter gives you 8 and 8 in 15 min backing up cappela, is paying Dedmom 26 mil over the next two years worth his production when Kanter is 5 mill? that 8 mill is 30% of collins new deal. And what "picks" are you refering to. You get one of the later celtic picks at most.

Spotrac
Dedmon

Contract Notes:
$300k unlikely incentives (@JeffSiegel)
2021 $1 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 07/01/21

Basketball Reference
Atlanta

Dewayne Dedmon
Traded from SAC to ATL February 6, 2020.
2021-22 is not guaranteed.
Signed 3-yr $40M contract July 8, 2019.

Basketball Insiders
Atlanta

Deadlines

8/1/20 — Brandon Goodwin’s $1,701,593 guarantees for 2020-21 (revised date TBD).
10/16/20 — NBA Draft.
10/17/20 — Qualifying offer deadlines for Skal Labissiere, Damian Jones, Charlie Brown Jr. and De’Andre’ Bembry.
10/19/20-10/23/20 — NBA Moratorium.
Before first day of 2020-2021 season — Extension deadline for John Collins.
10/31/20 — Team options on Trae Young, Cam Reddish, De’Andre Hunter and Kevin Huerter for 2021-22 (revised date TBD).
6/29/21 — Qualifying offer deadlines for John Collins and Brandon Goodwin.
7/1/21 — Dewayne Dedmon’s $13,633,333 (incentives TBD) for the 2021-22 season.

is paying Dedmom 26 mil over the next two years worth his production

Please provide supporting documentation.

his contract is for 13 mill both years, the poster said he wanted dedmon for his defense, the team needs defense, so now they are not going to pay him? they no longer need his defense over kanter but the next year they can just cut him? What the hell kind of documentaion to I need to provide?

[Resistance]

It isn't guaranteed for both years which is what you suggested.

[patman66]

so what are you paying for Hayward?

The Hawks have to pay Collins next season, I am not sure they want to worry about losing Hayward if they don't want to pay him 30 plus million starting. Its pretty much the same problem with Oladipo and I don't think they try to trade for his one year deal either.

I don't think the Hawks are good trade partners for UFA's if you are expecting a good return.

I wouldn’t give positive value for Hayward right now

I can respect that, my trade idea was Hayward and the 26th for Huerter. Who in my opinion and I am not a hawks fan so I will defer to them i f my thought process was faulty. I see Huerter, Reddish and hunter fighting for the same min. to me this is not ideal in having 3 wing players all needing development at the same time and also shooting for the playoffs. Hayward is something in thier back pocket if they are unable to land a star in 2021, they can then turn back to Hayward for an extension. For that and the 26 I suggested Huerter. While a positive return something that I certainly thought was reasonable in light of Atl playoffs hopes.

[patman66]

It isn't guaranteed for both years which is what you suggested.

I didn't suggest anything, I responded to the poster saying they needed his defense. If they need his defense so much that they would not want to save 8 mill by taking in Kanter, why would I assume they cut him the next year.

[giberish]

I really can't see Hayward at $34M as a good value. Do people really expect teams to trade down in order to turn cap space into Hayward at that salary?

It's obviously different if dead weight EC's or multi-year bad money is coming back to Boston, but then why is a win-now Boston team doing that?

[Buzzard]

yeah, but then you compete against boston. And yeah i understand that dedmon brings D, but Kantter gives you 8 and 8 in 15 min backing up cappela, is paying Dedmom 26 mil over the next two years worth his production when Kanter is 5 mill? that 8 mill is 30% of collins new deal. And what "picks" are you refering to. You get one of the later celtic picks at most.

Spotrac
Dedmon

Contract Notes:
$300k unlikely incentives (@JeffSiegel)
2021 $1 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 07/01/21

Basketball Reference
Atlanta

Dewayne Dedmon
Traded from SAC to ATL February 6, 2020.
2021-22 is not guaranteed.
Signed 3-yr $40M contract July 8, 2019.

Basketball Insiders
Atlanta

Deadlines

8/1/20 — Brandon Goodwin’s $1,701,593 guarantees for 2020-21 (revised date TBD).
10/16/20 — NBA Draft.
10/17/20 — Qualifying offer deadlines for Skal Labissiere, Damian Jones, Charlie Brown Jr. and De’Andre’ Bembry.
10/19/20-10/23/20 — NBA Moratorium.
Before first day of 2020-2021 season — Extension deadline for John Collins.
10/31/20 — Team options on Trae Young, Cam Reddish, De’Andre Hunter and Kevin Huerter for 2021-22 (revised date TBD).
6/29/21 — Qualifying offer deadlines for John Collins and Brandon Goodwin.
7/1/21 — Dewayne Dedmon’s $13,633,333 (incentives TBD) for the 2021-22 season.

is paying Dedmom 26 mil over the next two years worth his production

Please provide supporting documentation.

his contract is for 13 mill both years, the poster said he wanted dedmon for his defense, the team needs defense, so now they are not going to pay him? they no longer need his defense over kanter but the next year they can just cut him? What the hell kind of documentaion to I need to provide?

The Hawks do need Dedmons defense but he only has one season left at 13.3. They can release him if they want but I doubt they do. I think with Capela, Dedmon, Fernando, and a possibly healthy and cheap Skal, covering the center position is at the bottom of their needs list. Just have to keep the fingers crossed with Skal.

[patman66]

It isn't guaranteed for both years which is what you suggested.

I didn't suggest anything, I responded to the poster saying they needed his defense. If they need his defense so much that they would not want to save 8 mill by taking in Kanter, why would I assume they cut him the next year.

And you got some kind of nerve telling me what I was suggesting. You don't know me, so dont suggest that I am disingenuous.

[Scoot McGroot]

The Hawks have to pay Collins next season, I am not sure they want to worry about losing Hayward if they don't want to pay him 30 plus million starting. Its pretty much the same problem with Oladipo and I don't think they try to trade for his one year deal either.

I don't think the Hawks are good trade partners for UFA's if you are expecting a good return.

I wouldn’t give positive value for Hayward right now

I can respect that, my trade idea was Hayward and the 26th for Huerter. Who in my opinion and I am not a hawks fan so I will defer to them i f my thought process was faulty. I see Huerter, Reddish and hunter fighting for the same min. to me this is not ideal in having 3 wing players all needing development at the same time and also shooting for the playoffs. Hayward is something in thier back pocket if they are unable to land a star in 2021, they can then turn back to Hayward for an extension. For that and the 26 I suggested Huerter. While a positive return something that I certainly thought was reasonable in light of Atl playoffs hopes.

I don’t see it too much of an issue with Huerter being a 1/2/3, Reddish being a 2/3, and Hunter being a 3/4. I think there’s even room for a long term 1/2 to be added at 6 and still develop well. Collins ability to play some 4/5 allows you to still bring in another wing-ish type player and it not be an issue.

[Resistance]

I really can't see Hayward at $34M as a good value. Do people really expect teams to trade down in order to turn cap space into Hayward at that salary?

It's obviously different if dead weight EC's or multi-year bad money is coming back to Boston, but then why is a win-now Boston team doing that?

I have seen it seen proposed in the Boston section of RealGM.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The Hawks have to pay Collins next season, I am not sure they want to worry about losing Hayward if they don't want to pay him 30 plus million starting. Its pretty much the same problem with Oladipo and I don't think they try to trade for his one year deal either.

I don't think the Hawks are good trade partners for UFA's if you are expecting a good return.

I wouldn’t give positive value for Hayward right now

I can respect that, my trade idea was Hayward and the 26th for Huerter. Who in my opinion and I am not a hawks fan so I will defer to them i f my thought process was faulty. I see Huerter, Reddish and hunter fighting for the same min. to me this is not ideal in having 3 wing players all needing development at the same time and also shooting for the playoffs. Hayward is something in thier back pocket if they are unable to land a star in 2021, they can then turn back to Hayward for an extension. For that and the 26 I suggested Huerter. While a positive return something that I certainly thought was reasonable in light of Atl playoffs hopes.

I think ATL is two years away from being two years away. Huerter is a young guy with some value as a shooter and they should think about his fit, but right now they should be accumulating talent and not rushing things.

[patman66]

I wouldn’t give positive value for Hayward right now

I can respect that, my trade idea was Hayward and the 26th for Huerter. Who in my opinion and I am not a hawks fan so I will defer to them i f my thought process was faulty. I see Huerter, Reddish and hunter fighting for the same min. to me this is not ideal in having 3 wing players all needing development at the same time and also shooting for the playoffs. Hayward is something in thier back pocket if they are unable to land a star in 2021, they can then turn back to Hayward for an extension. For that and the 26 I suggested Huerter. While a positive return something that I certainly thought was reasonable in light of Atl playoffs hopes.

I don’t see it too much of an issue with Huerter being a 1/2/3, Reddish being a 2/3, and Hunter being a 3/4. I think there’s even room for a long term 1/2 to be added at 6 and still develop well. Collins ability to play some 4/5 allows you to still bring in another wing-ish type player and it not be an issue.

yeah, I see them going haliburton with the 6th to try to get the ball out of tre hands to free him up to move more. But again that is one more guy you are trying to develop at the same time while trying to win games. Now if they were the cavs or the Pistions, two years away from competing, hell just roll the kids out there. But hayward brings much more to the table if a goal is to make the playoffs for the first time in a few years. I am not putting the hawks or thier fanbase down, but you can buy tickets game day most days. I think the fans need a nudge.

[Buzzard]

I wouldn’t give positive value for Hayward right now

I can respect that, my trade idea was Hayward and the 26th for Huerter. Who in my opinion and I am not a hawks fan so I will defer to them i f my thought process was faulty. I see Huerter, Reddish and hunter fighting for the same min. to me this is not ideal in having 3 wing players all needing development at the same time and also shooting for the playoffs. Hayward is something in thier back pocket if they are unable to land a star in 2021, they can then turn back to Hayward for an extension. For that and the 26 I suggested Huerter. While a positive return something that I certainly thought was reasonable in light of Atl playoffs hopes.

I don’t see it too much of an issue with Huerter being a 1/2/3, Reddish being a 2/3, and Hunter being a 3/4. I think there’s even room for a long term 1/2 to be added at 6 and still develop well. Collins ability to play some 4/5 allows you to still bring in another wing-ish type player and it not be an issue.

The real deal is exactly what you allude to and to take it one step further, either Huerter or Reddish will be coming off the bench this year as the first wing off the bench.

Just like last season but hopefully more stability in the lineup all season. Last year was a nightmare with 19 different players playing 10 games or more and 14 different players getting starts.

I don't think the Hawks are pigeon holed into a position at 6. I would not be surprised one bit if they take a PG/SG/SF or Big. The options are wide open.

Side note added: Huerter is not much of a PG but he is good enough to bring the ball up and initiate a offense for a change of pace.

[patman66]

I wouldn’t give positive value for Hayward right now

I can respect that, my trade idea was Hayward and the 26th for Huerter. Who in my opinion and I am not a hawks fan so I will defer to them i f my thought process was faulty. I see Huerter, Reddish and hunter fighting for the same min. to me this is not ideal in having 3 wing players all needing development at the same time and also shooting for the playoffs. Hayward is something in thier back pocket if they are unable to land a star in 2021, they can then turn back to Hayward for an extension. For that and the 26 I suggested Huerter. While a positive return something that I certainly thought was reasonable in light of Atl playoffs hopes.

I think ATL is two years away from being two years away. Huerter is a young guy with some value as a shooter and they should think about his fit, but right now they should be accumulating talent and not rushing things.

I certainly do not, I think they are on the cusp of the playoffs. Once teague was acquired I thought they played ok. Add the 6th pick and some exp I think they are close to returnig to the playoffs which is the first step. You follow OKC, let me know how you feel when OKC goes three years without making the playoffs.

[patman66]

I really can't see Hayward at $34M as a good value. Do people really expect teams to trade down in order to turn cap space into Hayward at that salary?

It's obviously different if dead weight EC's or multi-year bad money is coming back to Boston, but then why is a win-now Boston team doing that?

I have seen it seen proposed in the Boston section of RealGM.

[patman66]

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Please provide supporting documentation.

his contract is for 13 mill both years, the poster said he wanted dedmon for his defense, the team needs defense, so now they are not going to pay him? they no longer need his defense over kanter but the next year they can just cut him? What the hell kind of documentaion to I need to provide?

The Hawks do need Dedmons defense but he only has one season left at 13.3. They can release him if they want but I doubt they do. I think with Capela, Dedmon, Fernando, and a possibly healthy and cheap Skal covering the center position is at the bottom of their needs list. Just have to keep the fingers crossed with Skal.

Thank you. We have a mind reader here suggesting otherwise.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I can respect that, my trade idea was Hayward and the 26th for Huerter. Who in my opinion and I am not a hawks fan so I will defer to them i f my thought process was faulty. I see Huerter, Reddish and hunter fighting for the same min. to me this is not ideal in having 3 wing players all needing development at the same time and also shooting for the playoffs. Hayward is something in thier back pocket if they are unable to land a star in 2021, they can then turn back to Hayward for an extension. For that and the 26 I suggested Huerter. While a positive return something that I certainly thought was reasonable in light of Atl playoffs hopes.

I think ATL is two years away from being two years away. Huerter is a young guy with some value as a shooter and they should think about his fit, but right now they should be accumulating talent and not rushing things.

I certainly do not, I think they are on the cusp of the playoffs. Once teague was acquired I thought they played ok. Add the 6th pick and some exp I think they are close to returnig to the playoffs which is the first step. You follow OKC, let me know how you feel when OKC goes three years without making the playoffs.

It’s never happened but I’d be happy to let you know since you’re so interested in a perennial playoff team, but if the objective is to not just be the 8 seed they absolutely have a lot more work to do and any competent GM sees that