Chuck's Challenge: Wolves, a Slow Burn

[shangrila]

How is Edwards projected defensively?
And doesn't Ball have good defensive potential with his size?
I almost think Ball would be a good fit next to Russell. He can help take the tougher assignment in the back court, take some PG load off of Russell (and as back-up PG) and allows Russell off-ball more.

I wonder if they can trade down, even is slightly to get Ball and pick up an asset in the process?

Then maybe make a deal for Gordon and Ross with JJ, Culver, Okogie, Layman, #17 if needed. I think T.Ross is a very underrated player, even if the main target is AG here.

Sign Napier for the min for PG depth (played Russell before)
D.Carroll for the min as well as they need a guy like him, and he's played with Russell before as well and was a fan.

Resign Beasley and Jauncho assuming there won't be much cap and not much of a market for them, and thus reasonable deals.
MLE on Crowder and confuse opposing teams by putting Crowder and DMC out together.

D.Russell / Napier
L.Ball / Beasley
T.Ross / Crowder / DMC
A.Gordon / Hernangomez / Vanderbilt
K.Towns / Reid / Spellman
+
#17 (if they don't use in the AG trade)
Any value they get from trading down to L.Ball

They both project to be terrible defensively, at least in the short term. Poor instincts/effort.

[Mike lorenzo]

MIN
Out: Johnson # 1 / Leyman / Culver
In Rose + Kennard + Clarke + Snell

PISTONS
Out:Snell + Rose + Kennard # 7
In:Johnson + G. Allen + Leyman + # 1

GRIZZLIES
In:Culver + # 7 (Haliburton / okoro / avdija)
Out: Clarke + G. Allen

TRADE2
MIN
Out:Rose + Kennard
In: Richardson + Korkmaz

TRADE3 (optional)
MIN
Out: Snell + # 17
In:Powell

RAPTORS
Out:Powell
In:Snell+#17


Russell /(Fa Dunn ?)
Powell / Beasley
Richardson / Okogie
Clarke / Hernangomez
Towns / Reid / Spellman
Shots everywhere ...

[Wolveswin]

I love the idea of Rosas convincing teams in the West, who present as equal competition for the same 8th seed he is fighting for, to trade with him. Teams like Suns, Memphis, Spurs, Kings are all candidates. He can improve his team and weaken an opponent in one trade.

Spurs Give: Murray + #11
Spurs Get: #1 + Johnson

Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow
Grizzlies Get: Culver + Spellman + #11

Wolves Give: #1 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman
Wolves Get: Murray + Winslow + Clarke

Towns | Reid
Clarke | Winslow | Hernangomez | Vanderbilt
Winslow | Okogie | Layman
Russell | Beasley | Okogie | Evans
Murray | Russell | McJordan

Saunders stays and plays a guard trio of Russell | Murray | Beasley (as scoring 6th man). Anyone of them can get time at SF.

Towns | Clarke | Winslow, make up the big man trio.

If Okogie and/or Hernangomez and/or Layman and/or Reid and/or #17 and/or Vanderbilt and/or exception free agent can become 7, 8, 9 rotational contributors, Wolves team is set for the now and the future.

grizzlies say no to clarke for 11. I have wolves saying no to trading down w/ spurs as well.

Clarke to me has more value than Culver. And Winslow more value than Spellman. But #11 is sufficient to close that value difference.

As for Spurs part, it depends on what Rosas sees in Murray. If he thinks he is defensive stud that puts Russell and Beasley into another tier (his D next to their offense), swapping to #11 seems fair. Maybe Spurs add more. I will say Murray seems like a Rosas guy. He has been lost in the shuffle of sorts on a vet and guard deep team in San Antonio. He could be Rosas 24yo Holiday.

[Domejandro]

they cannot trade the number 1 pick imo unless it gets them a 2021 1st with very light protection like top 4 or something and good luck with that so I can be pretty certain they are going to just draft the best player at 1 in 2020 not the best fit and deal with it even if it means moving one of Dlo or Kat down the road.
But if it is Edwards just maybe they get both fit and bpa idk.
they could maybe get some closer to their prime role players in exchange for recent picks like Culver Reid Nowell Vanderbilt etc.
esp if they attached the 17th or RFA Beasley. But who ?
I think they need 1 more full season to see what they have in 2nd year players like Culver and do everything they can to lock up Beasley and Juancho if Culver is a bust.
not having their 21 1st is a huge loss for their progression if they fail to hit on this drafts picks

There is no restriction on Minnesota trading their 2020 Draft picks.

[NYG]

1, Johnson, Vanderbilt and Evans for 7, Snell, Rose, Kennard and Top 5 Protected ‘21 Pistons 1st?

[psman2]

I love the idea of Rosas convincing teams in the West, who present as equal competition for the same 8th seed he is fighting for, to trade with him. Teams like Suns, Memphis, Spurs, Kings are all candidates. He can improve his team and weaken an opponent in one trade.

Spurs Give: Murray + #11
Spurs Get: #1 + Johnson

Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow
Grizzlies Get: Culver + Spellman + #11

Wolves Give: #1 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman
Wolves Get: Murray + Winslow + Clarke

Towns | Reid
Clarke | Winslow | Hernangomez | Vanderbilt
Winslow | Okogie | Layman
Russell | Beasley | Okogie | Evans
Murray | Russell | McJordan

Saunders stays and plays a guard trio of Russell | Murray | Beasley (as scoring 6th man). Anyone of them can get time at SF.

Towns | Clarke | Winslow, make up the big man trio.

If Okogie and/or Hernangomez and/or Layman and/or Reid and/or #17 and/or Vanderbilt and/or exception free agent can become 7, 8, 9 rotational contributors, Wolves team is set for the now and the future.

grizzlies say no to clarke for 11. I have wolves saying no to trading down w/ spurs as well.

Clarke to me has more value than Culver. And Winslow more value than Spellman. But #11 is sufficient to close that value difference.

As for Spurs part, it depends on what Rosas sees in Murray. If he thinks he is defensive stud that puts Russell and Beasley into another tier (his D next to their offense), swapping to #11 seems fair. Maybe Spurs add more. I will say Murray seems like a Rosas guy. He has been lost in the shuffle of sorts on a vet and guard deep team in San Antonio. He could be Rosas 24yo Holiday.

Zero interest from Memphis here. I have the gap between Clarke and Culver much bigger than the gap in value between the Winslow and the 11th. I don't think I would trade Winlow for Culver at this point since we have a huge need for what Winslow could bring to the table.

[NYG]

Is Harrell sign and trade a good idea here?

[younggunsmn]

I try to add shooting and interior d, and a shot creator for the 2nd unit.

I keep Okogie and Culver as defensive minded rotation wings, which are always valuable, and keep trying to develop them offensively.
Re-sign McLaughlin to min.

Juancho - re-sign for qualifying offer 1 year or let walk.
Beaslley - re-sign for 3-4 years unless money gets crazy.

Trade:
MN In: Buddy Hield
SAC In: James Johnson, Omari Spellman, 17

#1 Draft James WIseman
He and Kat can play together 10-20 mins/game, depending on how slowly you bring along Wiseman.
I go against the grain and take the best talent with the highest ceiling.
People talk fit with KAT, but I feel Ball and Edwards have fit questions with Russell too, and IMHO significantly higher bust potential.

33 - incredbily deep class at the 4/5 in that range
Take one of:
Isaiah Stewart/JadenMcDaniels/Oturu/Njai/Xavier Tillman/Paul Reed/Reggie Perry.
I'll go with Paul Reed here as he is more of a 4 than some of the others.

Free Agency:
Jae Crowder would be the perfect fit, I think he signs with a contender though.
If we can find a better fit at the 4 for the MLE, renounce Juancho. I don't see one though.
Sign PG Campazzo from europe using MLE.

Rotation:
PG; Russell (32), Compazzo (16)
SG: Beasley (30), Compazzo (4), Okogie (14)
SF: Hield (32), Culver (16)
PF: Wiseman (11), Juancho (20), Vanderbilt (18)
C: KAT (34), Wiseman (14).

Non rotation players:
G: Mclaughlin,Nowell
F: Reed, Reid

Waived: Jacob Evans

Rotation is staggered so Okogie and Culver are not sharing the floor,
also juancho is paired with Wiseman and Vanderbilt with KAT for defense/spacing.
I like Vanderbilt's potential as a switchable defender to develop into a Taj Gibson-esque player.

I love the scoring potential of this team, and if Wiseman really blows up it could be really special,
and there is flexibility within the rotation for scheme/offense/defense.

[psman2]

I try to add shooting and interior d, and a shot creator for the 2nd unit.

I keep Okogie and Culver as defensive minded rotation wings, which are always valuable, and keep trying to develop them offensively.
Re-sign McLaughlin to min.

Juancho - re-sign for qualifying offer 1 year or let walk.
Beaslley - re-sign for 3-4 years unless money gets crazy.

Trade:
MN In: Buddy Hield
SAC In: James Johnson, Omari Spellman, 17

#1 Draft James WIseman
He and Kat can play together 10-20 mins/game, depending on how slowly you bring along Wiseman.
I go against the grain and take the best talent with the highest ceiling.
People talk fit with KAT, but I feel Ball and Edwards have fit questions with Russell too, and IMHO significantly higher bust potential.

33 - incredbily deep class at the 4/5 in that range
Take one of:
Isaiah Stewart/JadenMcDaniels/Oturu/Njai/Xavier Tillman/Paul Reed/Reggie Perry.
I'll go with Paul Reed here as he is more of a 4 than some of the others.

Free Agency:
Jae Crowder would be the perfect fit, I think he signs with a contender though.
If we can find a better fit at the 4 for the MLE, renounce Juancho. I don't see one though.
Sign PG Campazzo from europe using MLE.

Rotation:
PG; Russell (32), Compazzo (16)
SG: Beasley (30), Compazzo (4), Okogie (14)
SF: Hield (32), Culver (16)
PF: Wiseman (11), Juancho (20), Vanderbilt (18)
C: KAT (34), Wiseman (14).

Non rotation players:
G: Mclaughlin,Nowell
F: Reed, Reid

Waived: Jacob Evans

Rotation is staggered so Okogie and Culver are not sharing the floor,
also juancho is paired with Wiseman and Vanderbilt with KAT for defense/spacing.
I like Vanderbilt's potential as a switchable defender to develop into a Taj Gibson-esque player.

I love the scoring potential of this team, and if Wiseman really blows up it could be really special,
and there is flexibility within the rotation for scheme/offense/defense.

Hield is a poor defender at SG, he would be a disaster at SF. I don't think you spend pick 17 and 20+ million to play a player out of position.

[azwfan]

In my opinion the primary thing MIN needs is a defensive leader. Someone who D’s up and is the best player on the team, or who defends at such a level and with such intensity that others have no choice to follow suit.

In my opinion Towns is the leader on the team, their best player, and their franchise player. If they want to win with him, he needs to make defense a priority and others will follow in line. With Russell on board and with those two already being close, its imperative that they lead the defensive charge. Both are young and talented, but it comes from them (and coaching).

If those guys not just improve defensively but make defense a real priority (demand accountability from each other) the sky is the limit cause the talent is there. Without it, i have a hard time seeing them as a real title contender.

As a Warriors fan, I encourage everyone to hope with me that they wait at least a season before making defense a priority.

[younggunsmn]

Hield is a poor defender at SG, he would be a disaster at SF. I don't think you spend pick 17 and 20+ million to play a player out of position.

2/3 are interchangable. within the rotation one of hield/beasley is spending ~18 minutes guarding 3's with okogie and culver taking the rest. You can even put Okogie in the starting lineup for d and use beasley/hield as a micorwave super sub.

I'm betting on the upside of Hield as a consistent 40%+ 3 point shooter and scorer.
I see it as buying low.
Using johnson's contract is our best shot at adding another plus starter to KAT and DLO.

My team relies on utilizing a drop scheme where we give up some 3's, grab every rebound, and win by having better shooters.

[Trader_Joe]

Hield is a poor defender at SG, he would be a disaster at SF. I don't think you spend pick 17 and 20+ million to play a player out of position.

2/3 are interchangable. within the rotation one of hield/beasley is spending ~18 minutes guarding 3's with okogie and culver taking the rest. You can even put Okogie in the starting lineup for d and use beasley/hield as a micorwave super sub.

I'm betting on the upside of Hield as a consistent 40%+ 3 point shooter and scorer.
I see it as buying low.
Using johnson's contract is our best shot at adding another plus starter to KAT and DLO.

My team relies on utilizing a drop scheme where we give up some 3's, grab every rebound, and win by having better shooters.

I get that part and agree with you on Heild. Plus, Rome wasn't built in a day. It's just one move. But...who will guard the perimeter PF/C between Towns and Wiseman? Especially long term? Or are you grooming Towns replacement here?

[psman2]

Hield is a poor defender at SG, he would be a disaster at SF. I don't think you spend pick 17 and 20+ million to play a player out of position.

2/3 are interchangable. within the rotation one of hield/beasley is spending ~18 minutes guarding 3's with okogie and culver taking the rest. You can even put Okogie in the starting lineup for d and use beasley/hield as a micorwave super sub.

I'm betting on the upside of Hield as a consistent 40%+ 3 point shooter and scorer.
I see it as buying low.
Using johnson's contract is our best shot at adding another plus starter to KAT and DLO.

My team relies on utilizing a drop scheme where we give up some 3's, grab every rebound, and win by having better shooters.

Yes 2/3 can be interchangble when you are good a or even passable at D. You put Beasley and Hield as the wings getting the most burn between the 2 and 3 and you have the worst wing D in the NBA. Add Russell and Kat to that equation and you have the worst D under whatever scheme you want to play them in.

I personally wouldn't give up pick 17 and pay Hield some 20+ million to be a 6th man under your other suggestion. I have that at buying high.

[patman66]

1, James Johnson for 4, Thad Young and Wendel Carter, Bulls remove young's 13 mill from 2021 cap . Wolves get a better player looking for min.

Sign Beasley

Sign Jymchal Green

Draft Demi/Vassel for the 3

I also like the valentine pick for the full MLE

Beasley/Dlo/Okogie FA PG Dunn for D?
Demi/Culver wings
young and Green at the 4
Carter and Towns at the 5.

[psman2]

1, James Johnson for 4, Thad Young and Wendel Carter, Bulls remove young's 13 mill from 2021 cap . Wolves get a better player looking for min.

Sign Beasley

Sign Jymchal Green

Draft Demi/Vassel for the 3

I also like the valentine pick for the full MLE

Beasley/Dlo/Okogie FA PG Dunn for D?
Demi/Culver wings
young and Green at the 4
Carter and Towns at the 5.

So you think the Wolves should move down to secure a better backup to Towns? I don't see getting a backup center as a priority for the Wolves.To me Markkanen would be the better target if Minny wanted to move down with Chicago.

[Stillwater]

they cannot trade the number 1 pick imo unless it gets them a 2021 1st with very light protection like top 4 or something and good luck with that so I can be pretty certain they are going to just draft the best player at 1 in 2020 not the best fit and deal with it even if it means moving one of Dlo or Kat down the road.
But if it is Edwards just maybe they get both fit and bpa idk.
they could maybe get some closer to their prime role players in exchange for recent picks like Culver Reid Nowell Vanderbilt etc.
esp if they attached the 17th or RFA Beasley. But who ?
I think they need 1 more full season to see what they have in 2nd year players like Culver and do everything they can to lock up Beasley and Juancho if Culver is a bust.
not having their 21 1st is a huge loss for their progression if they fail to hit on this drafts picks

There is no restriction on Minnesota trading their 2020 Draft picks.

Never meant they couldnt just meant they shouldnt, but I thought they could move the 17 but not the #1 given its their own pick and their own is lightly protected in 21 but for all intensive purposes outgoing
But obviously they can trade down in the same draft...

[younggunsmn]

Hield is a poor defender at SG, he would be a disaster at SF. I don't think you spend pick 17 and 20+ million to play a player out of position.

2/3 are interchangable. within the rotation one of hield/beasley is spending ~18 minutes guarding 3's with okogie and culver taking the rest. You can even put Okogie in the starting lineup for d and use beasley/hield as a micorwave super sub.

I'm betting on the upside of Hield as a consistent 40%+ 3 point shooter and scorer.
I see it as buying low.
Using johnson's contract is our best shot at adding another plus starter to KAT and DLO.

My team relies on utilizing a drop scheme where we give up some 3's, grab every rebound, and win by having better shooters.

Yes 2/3 can be interchangble when you are good a or even passable at D. You put Beasley and Hield as the wings getting the most burn between the 2 and 3 and you have the worst wing D in the NBA. Add Russell and Kat to that equation and you have the worst D under whatever scheme you want to play them in.

I personally wouldn't give up pick 17 and pay Hield some 20+ million to be a 6th man under your other suggestion. I have that at buying high.

Any team with KAT and DLO is going to be bottom 10 defensively. and is going to have to outscore/outefficient the other team.
I think having potentially 4 40% 3 point shooters on the floor at the same time (5 w/ juancho?) would be fun to watch.

[younggunsmn]

Hield is a poor defender at SG, he would be a disaster at SF. I don't think you spend pick 17 and 20+ million to play a player out of position.

2/3 are interchangable. within the rotation one of hield/beasley is spending ~18 minutes guarding 3's with okogie and culver taking the rest. You can even put Okogie in the starting lineup for d and use beasley/hield as a micorwave super sub.

I'm betting on the upside of Hield as a consistent 40%+ 3 point shooter and scorer.
I see it as buying low.
Using johnson's contract is our best shot at adding another plus starter to KAT and DLO.

My team relies on utilizing a drop scheme where we give up some 3's, grab every rebound, and win by having better shooters.

I get that part and agree with you on Heild. Plus, Rome wasn't built in a day. It's just one move. But...who will guard the perimeter PF/C between Towns and Wiseman? Especially long term? Or are you grooming Towns replacement here?

In that scenario I put Wiseman on the 4/stretch big. Long term you're looking at them sharing the court for ~20 mins/game.
And I think having Wiseman as a rim threat actually helps keep teams from loading up on KAT.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't have concerns about KAT being here long term.
He's signed for 4 more years, so you are looking at an inflection point after year 2 or 3 where we rebuild if things aren't working out.
Having another franchise big on board gives us a hard to find piece to start a rebuild around and gives us flexibility in finding a deal for KAT.

[psman2]

2/3 are interchangable. within the rotation one of hield/beasley is spending ~18 minutes guarding 3's with okogie and culver taking the rest. You can even put Okogie in the starting lineup for d and use beasley/hield as a micorwave super sub.

I'm betting on the upside of Hield as a consistent 40%+ 3 point shooter and scorer.
I see it as buying low.
Using johnson's contract is our best shot at adding another plus starter to KAT and DLO.

My team relies on utilizing a drop scheme where we give up some 3's, grab every rebound, and win by having better shooters.

Yes 2/3 can be interchangble when you are good a or even passable at D. You put Beasley and Hield as the wings getting the most burn between the 2 and 3 and you have the worst wing D in the NBA. Add Russell and Kat to that equation and you have the worst D under whatever scheme you want to play them in.

I personally wouldn't give up pick 17 and pay Hield some 20+ million to be a 6th man under your other suggestion. I have that at buying high.

Any team with KAT and DLO is going to be bottom 10 defensively. and is going to have to outscore/outefficient the other team.
I think having potentially 4 40% 3 point shooters on the floor at the same time (5 w/ juancho?) would be fun to watch.

Sure it could be fun to watch. But fun and winning are two different animals. Now pair good shooting with some D like Miami is showing then you have a contending team.

[psman2]

Hield is a poor defender at SG, he would be a disaster at SF. I don't think you spend pick 17 and 20+ million to play a player out of position.

2/3 are interchangable. within the rotation one of hield/beasley is spending ~18 minutes guarding 3's with okogie and culver taking the rest. You can even put Okogie in the starting lineup for d and use beasley/hield as a micorwave super sub.

I'm betting on the upside of Hield as a consistent 40%+ 3 point shooter and scorer.
I see it as buying low.
Using johnson's contract is our best shot at adding another plus starter to KAT and DLO.

My team relies on utilizing a drop scheme where we give up some 3's, grab every rebound, and win by having better shooters.

I get that part and agree with you on Heild. Plus, Rome wasn't built in a day. It's just one move. But...who will guard the perimeter PF/C between Towns and Wiseman? Especially long term? Or are you grooming Towns replacement here?

But Rome did fall from overspending and bad defense. Something that Hield provides both of.