Raptors/Wolves and its big

[Godaddycurse]

Also am i the only one amused by how this is almost parallel (well opposite direction) to the Love for wiggins/bennett (1st overall, recent high pick who did poorly) trade back in the days?

[shrink]

This one has been batted around on Wolves board and gets mixed reviews. I for one would do it.

I think Raptors might want a consolidation 3rd team involved. Say #17 + #29 + Culver (unless they really like his upside) + Okogie (or other Wolves youth) for best draft pick or other teams youth they can get.

How about this crazy idea:

Warriors: Paschall + 2021 Wolves 1st FOR Johnson (via Iggy TPE) + OG

Do Warriors need to give up more? Add 2022 1st?

Raptors: Siakam + OG + #29 FOR #1 + Culver + Paschall + #17 + 2021 Wolves 1st (Wolves make unprotected)

Wolves: #1 + Johnson + Culver + #17 + 2021 1st (now unprotected) FOR Siakam + #29

There is a disconnect between wolves fans and rest of nba where they think the #1 is super valuable except rest of us think this draft is not enticing and full of risk at the top, so its not assigned the same value it normally has. i mean if you ask yourself is KAT is worth your package it would be a pretty resounding no from your part as well (understanbably). Imo toronto values siakam as much as minny values KAT.

But to be fair, in a draft where KAT WAS the #1 pick, there is no way they’d offer rookie KAT for Siakim.

I don’t think any wolves fan is treating the value of the #1 as it would be in a normal draft. You aren’t seeing it valued like it’s Kyrie, Zion or KAT.

[shrink]

As mentioned earlier, a deal like this has been discussed in the Wolves board, and I admit I was a fan. It’s tough for any team to add a third max deal, but I think Siakim is a guy who fits.

I will note, that since I am in love with the Raptor organization, I have an odd worry. First, it’s amazing they way they have maneuvered between winning a championship, losing Kawhi, and still having the flexibility to turn their organization around and go in whatever direction they choose. Part of this strength has come from Ujiri and Nick Nurse drastically developing guys like Norm Powell, FVV, Anunoby, and Siakim, to be worth far more than most would have imagined. They do so by creating systems that let players do what they do well, and slowly enhancing the role. Raptors-Siakim is well worth this price, especially to a franchise that isn’t a free agent destination for good players, let alone Giannis. However, would the Wolves get Raptors-Siakim, or would Wolves-Siakim be worse, and they’d get to watch the Raptors talented organization turn Culver and Wiseman(?) into stars? Siakim looked very mortal in the playoffs.

Regardless, I’d make that gamble in MIN.

[jbk1234]

I like it for both teams, but I suspect that so long as the Raptors retain some hope of signing Giannis, they're going to keep Siakam.

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[Godaddycurse]

This one has been batted around on Wolves board and gets mixed reviews. I for one would do it.

I think Raptors might want a consolidation 3rd team involved. Say #17 + #29 + Culver (unless they really like his upside) + Okogie (or other Wolves youth) for best draft pick or other teams youth they can get.

How about this crazy idea:

Warriors: Paschall + 2021 Wolves 1st FOR Johnson (via Iggy TPE) + OG

Do Warriors need to give up more? Add 2022 1st?

Raptors: Siakam + OG + #29 FOR #1 + Culver + Paschall + #17 + 2021 Wolves 1st (Wolves make unprotected)

Wolves: #1 + Johnson + Culver + #17 + 2021 1st (now unprotected) FOR Siakam + #29

There is a disconnect between wolves fans and rest of nba where they think the #1 is super valuable except rest of us think this draft is not enticing and full of risk at the top, so its not assigned the same value it normally has. i mean if you ask yourself is KAT is worth your package it would be a pretty resounding no from your part as well (understanbably). Imo toronto values siakam as much as minny values KAT.

But to be fair, in a draft where KAT WAS the #1 pick, there is no way they’d offer rookie KAT for Siakim.

I don’t think any wolves fan is treating the value of the #1 as it would be in a normal draft. You aren’t seeing it valued like it’s Kyrie, Zion or KAT.

There were talks at various points of the year where it was actually arguable if siakam or simmons was the better player/more valuable. Then covid and bubble playoffs happened and siakam's play fell off a cliff.. I would put my money on him coming back strong rather than raptors selling low on him. Just like how philly wont trade simmons for minny package (which if i recall correctly had future 1sts as well) i doubt toronto would trade siakam for it either.

[Neeva]

I don't think the Raptors do it even though it would help them keep FVV. I think they value Siakam in the two top five picks range. Culver has bust written all over him.

FUNNY I dont see u saying the same about Hunter.

[blind prophet]

If the rumors are true that Minny wants to move the pick....

Then the Wolves take this for sure.

[Godaddycurse]

As mentioned earlier, a deal like this has been discussed in the Wolves board, and I admit I was a fan. It’s tough for any team to add a third max deal, but I think Siakim is a guy who fits.

I will note, that since I am in love with the Raptor organization, I have an odd worry. First, it’s amazing they way they have maneuvered between winning a championship, losing Kawhi, and still having the flexibility to turn their organization around and go in whatever direction they choose. Part of this strength has come from Ujiri and Nick Nurse drastically developing guys like Norm Powell, Anunoby, and Siakim, to be worth far more than most would have imagined. They do so by creating systems that let players do what they do well, and slowly enhancing the role. Raptors-Siakim is well worth this price, especially to a franchise that isn’t a free agent destination for good players, let alone Giannis. However, would the Wolves get Raptors-Siakim, or would Wolves-Siakim be worse, and they’d get to watch the Raptors talented organization turn Culver and Wiseman(?) into stars? Siakim looked very mortal in the playoffs.

Regardless, I’d make that gamble in MIN.

Imo the risk for Siakam is rather low; his work ethics and love for the game is real and he seems like a humble guy too. This playoffs will make him work even harder and i expect a full bounce back with hopefully better efficiency next year. A good system is not going to propel just anyone from g league player to 2nd team all nba

[Texas Chuck]

I don't think the Raptors do it even though it would help them keep FVV. I think they value Siakam in the two top five picks range. Culver has bust written all over him.

FUNNY I dont see u saying the same about Hunter.

I'm failing to see any relevance of Hunter to his opinion of Siakam or Culver.

[Godaddycurse]

I don't think the Raptors do it even though it would help them keep FVV. I think they value Siakam in the two top five picks range. Culver has bust written all over him.

FUNNY I dont see u saying the same about Hunter.

I'm failing to see any relevance of Hunter to his opinion of Siakam or Culver.

i think he means why isn't hunter seen as a bust since he also underperformed last year

[Texas Chuck]

FUNNY I dont see u saying the same about Hunter.

I'm failing to see any relevance of Hunter to his opinion of Siakam or Culver.

i think he means why isn't hunter seen as a bust since he also underperformed last year

I think he picked a player from a specific team for a reason that isn't particularly productive. Players can disappoint in different ways. Dirk was terrible as a rookie for Dallas but we already knew he had a chance to really be something. Would have never called him a bust. DSJ was terrible as a rookie and I was already looking to salvage value and was glad Dallas did.

[Buzzard]

I don't think the Raptors do it even though it would help them keep FVV. I think they value Siakam in the two top five picks range. Culver has bust written all over him.

FUNNY I dont see u saying the same about Hunter.

I may have gone a little overboard but I am being honest when I say wings ( anyone but especially shooters ) who can't shoot free throws scare me to death. I used per 36 numbers since Culver only played 23.9 minutes a game.

Shooting splits
Culver:
.404/.299/.462/.467 TS%
Hunter:
.410/.355/.764/.521 TS%

Per 36
Culver:
13.9 PTS/5.1 TRB/2.6 AST /13.6 FGA/1.9 FTA
Hunter:
13.9 PTS/5.1 TRB/2.0 AST/12.2 FGA/2.6 FTA

[Duffman100]

Ultimately this is Wiseman (who the Raptors would draft) for Siakam.

It's a really interesting proposition tbh. I'm not sure.

I'm not high on Culver (yes i've seen a bunch of him), Johnson is known commodity, Layman has surprising ups but meh on his shot.

#17 is also intriguing especially with Masai's ability or the ability to team with the 29 or Powell.

[pr0gr4m]

The Raptors wouldn't do this in this draft. The chances Edwards is better than Siakam is incredibly low. I prefer keeping Siakam and moving Powell to find a prospect in the late lotto.