Chicago - Orlando Vucevic

[Skybox]

magic have isaac and okeke and gordon and aminu for pf ..why do they want lauri? who is putting up contract yr numbers and never plays many games? what will it cost to sign him? will it be top 10 worst contract as soon as ink dries? maybe...so really this is for a mid 1st..and maybe a pick swap that may be a couple spots or not at all..might be all magic could get..i dont think magic are shopping him ..and this wont make them want to.i dont see magic going for this

I absolutely see Gordon moved in another deal (not for a PF). Lauri/Isaac at the bigs (call them whatever). If Bamba shows up, Isaac can move to a very strong SF spot and continue his massive destruction to passing lanes and perimeter while still helping out at the rim. People have lazily labeled Isaac as "best at PF" but it's an irrelevant label. The problem is that neither he nor Gordon can spread the floor, although defensively, they both can slide all over. If Bamba got moved, Lauri could be a Kevin Love type stretch 5 with Isaac at 4. In my version, Aminu is sent along...and even if he's not, he's not a reason to change plans. He should be gone or deep bench. I have hopes for Bamba, but he too is not someone to strategize around. If we're giving in and moving Vuc, everything is up for grabs.

kevin love? with no passing high turnover and no rebounding and no postup game kevin love...and what will it cost to get him under contract to play off the bench..i would rather play okeke all day...

I really like Okeke, but he's a supporting player, in the right setting Lauri is 25ppg raining death from above and opening the floor for everyone else to work. Love was a much better rebounder and passer-it's true. Lauri has a higher ceiling, or at least very different ceiling, than Okeke, IMO. He wouldn't be coming off the bench for ORL.

[orlando_joe]

I absolutely see Gordon moved in another deal (not for a PF). Lauri/Isaac at the bigs (call them whatever). If Bamba shows up, Isaac can move to a very strong SF spot and continue his massive destruction to passing lanes and perimeter while still helping out at the rim. People have lazily labeled Isaac as "best at PF" but it's an irrelevant label. The problem is that neither he nor Gordon can spread the floor, although defensively, they both can slide all over. If Bamba got moved, Lauri could be a Kevin Love type stretch 5 with Isaac at 4. In my version, Aminu is sent along...and even if he's not, he's not a reason to change plans. He should be gone or deep bench. I have hopes for Bamba, but he too is not someone to strategize around. If we're giving in and moving Vuc, everything is up for grabs.

kevin love? with no passing high turnover and no rebounding and no postup game kevin love...and what will it cost to get him under contract to play off the bench..i would rather play okeke all day...

I really like Okeke, but he's a supporting player, in the right setting Lauri is 25ppg raining death from above and opening the floor for everyone else to work. Love was a much better rebounder and passer-it's true. Lauri has a higher ceiling, or at least very different ceiling, than Okeke, IMO. He wouldn't be coming off the bench for ORL.

you see okeke and lauri different then me..but one thing agree on IF magic move vuc everthing up for grabs...this deal to me wont make that happen

[Skybox]

kevin love? with no passing high turnover and no rebounding and no postup game kevin love...and what will it cost to get him under contract to play off the bench..i would rather play okeke all day...

I really like Okeke, but he's a supporting player, in the right setting Lauri is 25ppg raining death from above and opening the floor for everyone else to work. Love was a much better rebounder and passer-it's true. Lauri has a higher ceiling, or at least very different ceiling, than Okeke, IMO. He wouldn't be coming off the bench for ORL.

you see okeke and lauri different then me..but one thing agree on IF magic move vuc everthing up for grabs...this deal to me wont make that happen

not my favorite either. I just started a thread re: actually getting a decent player back as a foundational piece in a Vuc trade. I'm sick of reading all of the offers including late picks, expirings and a dozen players of no import...we say it all the time, but 5 nickels for a quarter doesn't work in the NBA. Personally, I can't see any logic in removing Vuc just to get worse for a lottery ticket-just way way too many variables. We should be able to get some greater degree of certainty while still raising our odds in the lottery.

[orlando_joe]

I really like Okeke, but he's a supporting player, in the right setting Lauri is 25ppg raining death from above and opening the floor for everyone else to work. Love was a much better rebounder and passer-it's true. Lauri has a higher ceiling, or at least very different ceiling, than Okeke, IMO. He wouldn't be coming off the bench for ORL.

you see okeke and lauri different then me..but one thing agree on IF magic move vuc everthing up for grabs...this deal to me wont make that happen

not my favorite either. I just started a thread re: actually getting a decent player back as a foundational piece in a Vuc trade. I'm sick of reading all of the offers including late picks, expirings and a dozen players of no import...we say it all the time, but 5 nickels for a quarter doesn't work in the NBA. Personally, I can't see any logic in removing Vuc just to get worse for a lottery ticket-just way way too many variables. We should be able to get some greater degree of certainty while still raising our odds in the lottery.

agree and i want to see isaac and okeke with ag as 3 sf and pfs playing 30 min each all have real 2 way potential

[shrink]

Refreshing to see a trade offer that overpays!

[scottyg]

I still think the trade to be made is get Gordon and Vucevic to plug in the starting lineup with Lavine and Williams then maybe trade for a starting Pg like Rubio,I’m gonna make a 3 way trade with Charlotte
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Bulls get -
-Vucevic
- Aaron Gordon

Hornets get -
- Wendall Carter Jr.

Magic get -
- Davonte Graham
- Lauri Markannen
- Otto Porter jr.
- Christiano Felicio
- Chandler Hutchison
- 2022 top 8 protected 1st rd pick via chi
- 2024 top 5 protected 1st rd pick swap
- 2022 2nd rd pick via Char

[patman66]

What a ridiculous deal when Lauri will be better than Vuc soon. Vuc barely has lotto value.

how so? maybe in 5 years when Vuc is 35 and lauri is 28 if that is what you mean by soon.

[coldfish]

Refreshing to see a trade offer that overpays!

I was just curious if anything was remotely possible with Vucevic. Obviously the realgm trade board isn't going to generate any real trades. For some reason, people think that they can actually negotiate out a trade here and as a result, start out with lowball offers.

I tried to put something together that would at least get some Magic posters to contribute without feeling insulted.

Based on what I am reading, Magic posters would be open to trading Vucevic as long as the trade is beneficial to the Magic in the long term. Personally, I think the two teams are a good fit for trading partners. Due to Zach emerging, the Bulls are entering a "win now" phase and have some youth to trade. The Magic are closer to a "reset" and may be open to trading vets for high upside youth.

[r0drig0lac]

What a ridiculous deal when Lauri will be better than Vuc soon. Vuc barely has lotto value.

maybe in nba 2K

[gobullschi]

I still think the trade to be made is get Gordon and Vucevic to plug in the starting lineup with Lavine and Williams then maybe trade for a starting Pg like Rubio,I’m gonna make a 3 way trade with Charlotte
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Bulls get -
-Vucevic
- Aaron Gordon

Hornets get -
- Wendall Carter Jr.

Magic get -
- Davonte Graham
- Lauri Markannen
- Otto Porter jr.
- Christiano Felicio
- Chandler Hutchison
- 2022 top 8 protected 1st rd pick via chi
- 2024 top 5 protected 1st rd pick swap
- 2022 2nd rd pick via Char

I’m not a Vucevic fan but this is a deal I would consider as a Bulls fan. Maybe Donovan can untap some of Gordon’s potential, but if not, him, Thad, & Sato all expire in ‘22 and the Bulls could be buyers in free agency.

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Garrett Temple
Patrick Williams / Aaron Gordon
Aaron Gordon / Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic / Daniel Gafford

[orlando_joe]

I still think the trade to be made is get Gordon and Vucevic to plug in the starting lineup with Lavine and Williams then maybe trade for a starting Pg like Rubio,I’m gonna make a 3 way trade with Charlotte
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Bulls get -
-Vucevic
- Aaron Gordon

Hornets get -
- Wendall Carter Jr.

Magic get -
- Davonte Graham
- Lauri Markannen
- Otto Porter jr.
- Christiano Felicio
- Chandler Hutchison
- 2022 top 8 protected 1st rd pick via chi
- 2024 top 5 protected 1st rd pick swap
- 2022 2nd rd pick via Char

so magic get nothing to help them next yr that they need? and hope a pick in 22 that is top 8 protected for both vuc and ag is some great piece ? magic would pass on this fast

[scottyg]

What exactly did you expect the magic to do next year with Vucevic gone, Fultz and Issac still recovering for injuries ? I would assume that trading Vuc and Gordon that they would get a top 5 pick then you add in 28 million dollars in free agency to find players and then you also add a 26 year Davonte Graham who would
Def be a nice player next to fultz and then add in a 23 year old Markannen and Hutchison is young and if healthy will be a good player, and draft picks so I’m still confused by your statement about the team and next year ?

[orlando_joe]

What exactly did you expect the magic to do next year with Vucevic gone, Fultz and Issac still recovering for injuries ? I would assume that trading Vuc and Gordon that they would get a top 5 pick then you add in 28 million dollars in free agency to find players and then you also add a 26 year Davonte Graham who would
Def be a nice player next to fultz and then add in a 23 year old Markannen and Hutchison is young and if healthy will be a good player, and draft picks so I’m still confused by your statement about the team and next year ?

well for starters they just paid fultz and have anthony and mcw at pg at sg they have ross may resign fournier and think they draft guard with there what looks to be lottery pick..not going to pay graham a new contract....
magic have isaac and okeke at pf ..dont see them matching offer that lauri gets...no need to..
others really just exp contracts other then dead money next yr for hutchison
and the pick is 2 yrs away and has better chance to be 18 or higher then around 10...a swap and a late 2nd?
again nothing for magic ...and space means nothing they could have it in 2 yrs without trade when they may need it with ag and vuc contracts ending then..and there would be no space if they did sign lauri and graham cant have it both ways..lol

[dalton749]

What about something like this:

To Chicago: vucevic, ball, aminu
To Orlando: Porter jr, carter jr, hart, bulls 2021 unprotected 1st
To New Orleans: markkanen, felicio

[scottyg]

As a bulls fan I would do this trade with top 10 protected this year and top 3 next year and a pick swap!

[daoneandonly]

Orlando is getting way too much value here IMO. Vuc is good, but not worth all this

[Ducklett]

Maybe I am misreading this because everyone is saying the Magic are getting two picks... but 2021 will not convey most likely due to protections so that means 0 pick because 2022 is a pick swap. If the Magic trade Vuc, it would make us the worst team in the league not close, so a pick swap is 0 value because our pick will always be better than anyone else with top 5 protection on it.

So this means likely it is Vuc for Lauri and WCJ, which is one of the worst trades I have seen on this board in a while.

[Skybox]

I don't know why I keep asking for this torture...let's just keep him

[Magic_Johnny12]

Orlando is getting way too much value here IMO. Vuc is good, but not worth all this

Not worth all of what exactly? You make it seem like Carter Jr. and Lauri have proven anything in this league but being injury prone and acting like they're not up for their FIRST contract extension.

This is quantity for quality kind of trade and almost ALWAYS the team getting the quality player wins. Chicago pick more than likely falls out of the lottery and the future pick is not guaranteed.

Players with "potential" are only valuable when they actually demonstrate potential

[daoneandonly]

Orlando is getting way too much value here IMO. Vuc is good, but not worth all this

Not worth all of what exactly? You make it seem like Carter Jr. and Lauri have proven anything in this league but being injury prone and acting like they're not up for their FIRST contract extension.

This is quantity for quality kind of trade and almost ALWAYS the team getting the quality player wins. Chicago pick more than likely falls out of the lottery and the future pick is not guaranteed.

Players with "potential" are only valuable when they actually demonstrate potential

He's has 1 season with a winning record, and even that was only 2 games above .500. he's a solid player, but not one you give up younger guys with potential and picks, one or the other.