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E S V L wrote:It`s too late for fixing. They should have drafted Ja.
E S V L wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:E S V L wrote:
Have a look into standings.
That’s a terrible argument, especially in their 2nd seasons, respectively. It’d literally mean that also, LA should’ve traded Lebron for Chris Paul because standings! Or, Washington should trade Beal for Kevin Love because STANDINGS! Or, that y’all should’ve traded Ja to the Clippers for Lou Williams, because STANDINGS!
Once you recognize those are all terrible ideas, the whole concept of just comparing standings, in the middle of the season, so early in their careers is quite silly, and a terrible measure of team building.
You said "I don`t see any reason", I pointed out to standings that highlight the biggest difference between these two guys: while there is an argument of overall talent superiority in favor of Zion, there is a much stronger argument of a alpha-leadership and "winning is all that matters to me" superiority in favor of Ja. That`s what you should seriously consider if you represent the franchise that has been in a deep ***hole for a long time. And if you want to escape, of course.
Smirk wrote:E S V L wrote:It`s too late for fixing. They should have drafted Ja.
There is no universe where anyone in the league, including the Grizzlies, would take Ja over Zion.
It has been pretty clear since February just how transcendent Zion is going to be.
E S V L wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:E S V L wrote:
Have a look into standings.
That’s a terrible argument, especially in their 2nd seasons, respectively. It’d literally mean that also, LA should’ve traded Lebron for Chris Paul because standings! Or, Washington should trade Beal for Kevin Love because STANDINGS! Or, that y’all should’ve traded Ja to the Clippers for Lou Williams, because STANDINGS!
Once you recognize those are all terrible ideas, the whole concept of just comparing standings, in the middle of the season, so early in their careers is quite silly, and a terrible measure of team building.
You said "I don`t see any reason", I pointed out to standings that highlight the biggest difference between these two guys: while there is an argument of overall talent superiority in favor of Zion, there is a much stronger argument of a alpha-leadership and "winning is all that matters to me" superiority in favor of Ja. That`s what you should seriously consider if you represent the franchise that has been in a deep ***hole for a long time. And if you want to escape, of course.
Scoot McGroot wrote:E S V L wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
That’s a terrible argument, especially in their 2nd seasons, respectively. It’d literally mean that also, LA should’ve traded Lebron for Chris Paul because standings! Or, Washington should trade Beal for Kevin Love because STANDINGS! Or, that y’all should’ve traded Ja to the Clippers for Lou Williams, because STANDINGS!
Once you recognize those are all terrible ideas, the whole concept of just comparing standings, in the middle of the season, so early in their careers is quite silly, and a terrible measure of team building.
You said "I don`t see any reason", I pointed out to standings that highlight the biggest difference between these two guys: while there is an argument of overall talent superiority in favor of Zion, there is a much stronger argument of a alpha-leadership and "winning is all that matters to me" superiority in favor of Ja. That`s what you should seriously consider if you represent the franchise that has been in a deep ***hole for a long time. And if you want to escape, of course.
Ok. “Have a look at into heights”. Or, “have a look into ages”. Or, “have a look at recruiting rank”. I think they’re all just as valid as stating one guys is an alpha winner at 26-23 and another isn’t at 22-29 in their 2nd seasons respectively.
E S V L wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:E S V L wrote:
You said "I don`t see any reason", I pointed out to standings that highlight the biggest difference between these two guys: while there is an argument of overall talent superiority in favor of Zion, there is a much stronger argument of a alpha-leadership and "winning is all that matters to me" superiority in favor of Ja. That`s what you should seriously consider if you represent the franchise that has been in a deep ***hole for a long time. And if you want to escape, of course.
Ok. “Have a look at into heights”. Or, “have a look into ages”. Or, “have a look at recruiting rank”. I think they’re all just as valid as stating one guys is an alpha winner at 26-23 and another isn’t at 22-29 in their 2nd seasons respectively.
At least I`ve made a point that is supported by some objective measurements. Your point is fully subjective and made in an attempt to exploit my respect to your judgment.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote: I don't know what the point of this was. Obviously Ja is great and all, but Zion was and still is the superior prospect by miles he's a special player. The Grizzlies board might be interested in hearing more about Ja?
Scoot McGroot wrote:E S V L wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
Ok. “Have a look at into heights”. Or, “have a look into ages”. Or, “have a look at recruiting rank”. I think they’re all just as valid as stating one guys is an alpha winner at 26-23 and another isn’t at 22-29 in their 2nd seasons respectively.
At least I`ve made a point that is supported by some objective measurements. Your point is fully subjective and made in an attempt to exploit my respect to your judgment.
Some objective measurement is fair if you consider leaping to judgements insanely early as “objective”. For example, using this same measurement, you’d be saying that Darko Milicic is an “alpha winner” while Lebron James will always be flawed and need fixing.
E S V L wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:E S V L wrote:
At least I`ve made a point that is supported by some objective measurements. Your point is fully subjective and made in an attempt to exploit my respect to your judgment.
Some objective measurement is fair if you consider leaping to judgements insanely early as “objective”. For example, using this same measurement, you’d be saying that Darko Milicic is an “alpha winner” while Lebron James will always be flawed and need fixing.
Milicic joined the established team. He wasn`t a leader, unlike Ja. We are speaking about leadership here. We compare #1 players who run their teams. Look at what Luca and Ja did to their teams: they are the leaders of their franchises, unlike Zion. That`s my point.
Scoot McGroot wrote:E S V L wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
Some objective measurement is fair if you consider leaping to judgements insanely early as “objective”. For example, using this same measurement, you’d be saying that Darko Milicic is an “alpha winner” while Lebron James will always be flawed and need fixing.
Milicic joined the established team. He wasn`t a leader, unlike Ja. We are speaking about leadership here. We compare #1 players who run their teams. Look at what Luca and Ja did to their teams: they are the leaders of their franchises, unlike Zion. That`s my point.
Oh. So now records don’t matter? Crazy how that works.
E S V L wrote:MoneyTalks41890 wrote: I don't know what the point of this was. Obviously Ja is great and all, but Zion was and still is the superior prospect by miles he's a special player. The Grizzlies board might be interested in hearing more about Ja?
My point is that Ja joined a *** franchise with no core players and make it the PO team in his rookie year.
Zion failed to do so in both years, though he has been surrounded by better teammates.
We can discuss the significance of the above point and future projections, but this point does exist and it`s valid. Just recognize it guys.
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jayjaysee wrote:I don’t think NOP needs fixing. Their star is 20. Their 2/3 pieces are both only 23.
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Texas Chuck wrote:All of those trades seem way too good for the Pels though. Definitely makes them a lot better, but I don't see a single other one of those teams considering any of those deals.
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