Ind/Cha/OKC/NY: Turner to Charlotte, Horford to Indy, Rozier to Knicks

[MasterIchiro]

Then you factor in guys like Harrell and Theis or Portis if we want to go that route.

None of them compare to Turner but Hornets fallback options are improvements over last season.

If Turner goes for a King's ransom it won't come from Charlotte.

[Knickfan1982]

Have no real problem with this for the Knicks if other point guard options aren't available. With that being said, there are better options available.

[Scoot McGroot]

Your numbers are slightly off I think because you’re not factoring roster charges but you’re assuming everyone plays ball in service of Charlotte’s cap preservation. It’s very unlikely it’s not 2k. Unless you overpay Monk or Graham they aren’t waiting around for Charlotte to test the waters. Similarly Holmes will have a lot of suitors I think. But I do agree with you on tiers.

Smitty has them at about $27m in cap space, maximum. This factors in the Batum stretch and the #11 pick salary slot. Graham’s cap hold is $4.7m, so down to almost $22m in cap space. This is the tricky part. Monk’s cap hold is $16m, which would put them at only $6m in cap space, or less than the MLE, which would say that the team would operate as “over the cap” and use the MLE and BAE instead of the smaller amount of $6m in cap space and then the room exception. Now, I would assume Monk will re-sign for less than $16m, so say he signs for $10m in year one, they could max at about $12m in cap space, and then use the Room Exception after that, while re-signing Graham last and keeping his small cap hold on until after.

Waiving the Martin’s could add $3.5m, but would keep them in that middle ground of “Are we operating as over the cap or not?”. Waiving McDaniels would allow them to operate under the cap, where they could re-sign Monk for around $10m in year one, and have about $16-18m in cap space on top of that. But that number drops for every extra dollar over $10m that Monk re-signs for.

Renounce Monk, and they have plenty of room.

Monk at 9 is the goal. Keeping McDaniels is also a must. There wouldn't be roster charges because we'd still have 13 with pick 11, after subtracting Caleb and Cody Martin. Grant Riller makes the cut. People forget about him.

So yes we'd have about 14.6 million if Monk signs for 9. The cap for pick 11 included.

I'm not sure if we could backload a deal to Holmes so that he fits into cap year one and his salary escalates the following years.

We are damn close to Holmes. And Drummond while a notch or two or three down would be an upgrade over last year. So worst case scenario we have Drummond + Rozier + 11 instead of Turner. Or we have Drummond + PJ + future first instead of Turner. Kupchak seems to stockpile second rounders and hasn't dealt a pick in any of his first three seasons maybe because he identifies small market teams can't attract big free agents unless they overpay, so you need rookie scale contracts if you want to remain solvent. And if we keep Monk and Graham on market deals we can move them down the line for an upgrade over Drummond.

A 4 year deal for Holmes that starts at $14.6m would max out at just under $63m total. Grant Riller isn’t a worry, as his qualifying offer is for a 2 way, which doesn’t effect the cap. If you bring him to the main roster, that just changes to a vet minimum, essentially.

I would also assume that Monk/Graham would make it really hard for charlotte to sign them to “market deals”, since they know they would be signing up to be backups. They might hold the screws to Charlotte to either let them go so they have a better chance at starting and improving their career outlook, or overpay them to stick around.

[MasterIchiro]

Smitty has them at about $27m in cap space, maximum. This factors in the Batum stretch and the #11 pick salary slot. Graham’s cap hold is $4.7m, so down to almost $22m in cap space. This is the tricky part. Monk’s cap hold is $16m, which would put them at only $6m in cap space, or less than the MLE, which would say that the team would operate as “over the cap” and use the MLE and BAE instead of the smaller amount of $6m in cap space and then the room exception. Now, I would assume Monk will re-sign for less than $16m, so say he signs for $10m in year one, they could max at about $12m in cap space, and then use the Room Exception after that, while re-signing Graham last and keeping his small cap hold on until after.

Waiving the Martin’s could add $3.5m, but would keep them in that middle ground of “Are we operating as over the cap or not?”. Waiving McDaniels would allow them to operate under the cap, where they could re-sign Monk for around $10m in year one, and have about $16-18m in cap space on top of that. But that number drops for every extra dollar over $10m that Monk re-signs for.

Renounce Monk, and they have plenty of room.

Monk at 9 is the goal. Keeping McDaniels is also a must. There wouldn't be roster charges because we'd still have 13 with pick 11, after subtracting Caleb and Cody Martin. Grant Riller makes the cut. People forget about him.

So yes we'd have about 14.6 million if Monk signs for 9. The cap for pick 11 included.

I'm not sure if we could backload a deal to Holmes so that he fits into cap year one and his salary escalates the following years.

We are damn close to Holmes. And Drummond while a notch or two or three down would be an upgrade over last year. So worst case scenario we have Drummond + Rozier + 11 instead of Turner. Or we have Drummond + PJ + future first instead of Turner. Kupchak seems to stockpile second rounders and hasn't dealt a pick in any of his first three seasons maybe because he identifies small market teams can't attract big free agents unless they overpay, so you need rookie scale contracts if you want to remain solvent. And if we keep Monk and Graham on market deals we can move them down the line for an upgrade over Drummond.

A 4 year deal for Holmes that starts at $14.6m would max out at just under $63m total. Grant Riller isn’t a worry, as his qualifying offer is for a 2 way, which doesn’t effect the cap. If you bring him to the main roster, that just changes to a vet minimum, essentially.

I would also assume that Monk/Graham would make it really hard for charlotte to sign them to “market deals”, since they know they would be signing up to be backups. They might hold the screws to Charlotte to either let them go so they have a better chance at starting and improving their career outlook, or overpay them to stick around.

So a touch under 16 per for Holmes. The preceding moves are worth doing given this bid amount. Might not win Holmes but the money could still be used for Drummond. How can Monk and Graham force an overpay? They don't seem like players teams will try to price out of Charlotte. Charlotte will match market offers to them from other teams. They won't match overpays. Monk will have a good idea what his market is before the gates open as all agents tamper.

[Scoot McGroot]

Monk at 9 is the goal. Keeping McDaniels is also a must. There wouldn't be roster charges because we'd still have 13 with pick 11, after subtracting Caleb and Cody Martin. Grant Riller makes the cut. People forget about him.

So yes we'd have about 14.6 million if Monk signs for 9. The cap for pick 11 included.

I'm not sure if we could backload a deal to Holmes so that he fits into cap year one and his salary escalates the following years.

We are damn close to Holmes. And Drummond while a notch or two or three down would be an upgrade over last year. So worst case scenario we have Drummond + Rozier + 11 instead of Turner. Or we have Drummond + PJ + future first instead of Turner. Kupchak seems to stockpile second rounders and hasn't dealt a pick in any of his first three seasons maybe because he identifies small market teams can't attract big free agents unless they overpay, so you need rookie scale contracts if you want to remain solvent. And if we keep Monk and Graham on market deals we can move them down the line for an upgrade over Drummond.

A 4 year deal for Holmes that starts at $14.6m would max out at just under $63m total. Grant Riller isn’t a worry, as his qualifying offer is for a 2 way, which doesn’t effect the cap. If you bring him to the main roster, that just changes to a vet minimum, essentially.

I would also assume that Monk/Graham would make it really hard for charlotte to sign them to “market deals”, since they know they would be signing up to be backups. They might hold the screws to Charlotte to either let them go so they have a better chance at starting and improving their career outlook, or overpay them to stick around.

So a touch under 16 per for Holmes. The preceding moves are worth doing given this bid amount. Might not win Holmes but the money could still be used for Drummond. How can Monk and Graham force an overpay? They don't seem like players teams will try to price out of Charlotte. Charlotte will match market offers to them from other teams. They won't match overpays. Monk will have a good idea what his market is before the gates open as all agents tamper.

They would force an overpay by not listening to offers from Charlotte, and worst case, sign the QO. As MLE type players, they wouldn’t really be hurt by taking the QO the way a major player would be. But, Monk would hurt the Hornets by staying on his full cap hold until the Hornets rescinded his QO and made him unrestricted. That alone would eliminate your cap space, as you’d more likely operate as an over the cap team and just have the MLE. He has some power over you, and what you can do, in that regard. But also, they would refuse to sign an affordable long-term deal to be backups. They would want to be overpaid to be a backup, or sign the QO and hit free agency next year.