[Woj] Shamet to Phoenix

[SkyBill40]

I don't like this move as he's not going to really move the needle for us at all. The 29th pick could have been more useful than this.

I liked Carter and it's a shame to see him go, not that Monty Williams even remembered his name seeing how he was literally forgotten about in the playoffs. Good luck to him. He's going to a solid team and has a chance to get back to the Finals.

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[pacers33granger]

Don't like this for Phoenix. Shamet will help them, but they have a ton of money to shell out soon and now Shamet is added to the group of players needing new deals after this year. Seems short sighted to give up a first here.

[HartfordWhalers]

Don't like this for Phoenix. Shamet will help them, but they have a ton of money to shell out soon and now Shamet is added to the group of players needing new deals after this year. Seems short sighted to give up a first here.

If Chris Paul leaves, do you still feel this way?
Same question with Cam payne too I guess.

[loserX]

Phoenix loves their shooters, though they have other needs at the moment and shouldn't ignore those.

Brooklyn adding a PG and thinking ahead to losing Dinwiddie? Or just picking up picks wherever they can?

[pacers33granger]

Don't like this for Phoenix. Shamet will help them, but they have a ton of money to shell out soon and now Shamet is added to the group of players needing new deals after this year. Seems short sighted to give up a first here.

If Chris Paul leaves, do you still feel this way?
Same question with Cam payne too I guess.

Yup. Not that any new deal for Shamet should break the bank or anything, but they'll still have Booker's max, Ayton's max, and Bridges potentially approaching max with about $20 mil still owed in that first year to Crowder/Saric. With a notoriously cheap owner.

I also just really don't think Shamet is worth a first anyways, but that's somewhat besides the point.

[DirtyDez]

Don't like this for Phoenix. Shamet will help them, but they have a ton of money to shell out soon and now Shamet is added to the group of players needing new deals after this year. Seems short sighted to give up a first here.

They’re treating Shamet like an expiring most likely. This was a cute way to save about $5m a year between Carter and the 29th pick going forward.

I don’t mind it because unlike the SSOL days of saving pennies this current squad doesn’t have huge depth issues.

[jredsaz]

Don't like this for Phoenix. Shamet will help them, but they have a ton of money to shell out soon and now Shamet is added to the group of players needing new deals after this year. Seems short sighted to give up a first here.

If Chris Paul leaves, do you still feel this way?
Same question with Cam payne too I guess.

Yup. Not that any new deal for Shamet should break the bank or anything, but they'll still have Booker's max, Ayton's max, and Bridges potentially approaching max with about $20 mil still owed in that first year to Crowder/Saric. With a notoriously cheap owner.

I also just really don't think Shamet is worth a first anyways, but that's somewhat besides the point.

I mean the 29th pick isn't a first in that context. This gives the Suns flexibility moving forward and is an upgrade over Carter. My biggest problem with the move is that they need more guys who can put pressure on the rim and he isnt that. Payne becomes more important to sign, not less.

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[SkyBill40]

The sad part about this is that the Suns just drafted precisely what they needed in Sharpe, only to hand him over to BKN. Then, in the second round, BKN got another stud in Gray which was a second round pick we traded to them way back to dump Jared Dudley.

So, in essence, the Suns got Landry Shamet for Carter, Sharpe, and Gray. That's a pretty lopsided outcome for us and especially when Shamet is likely going to be gone after the season since he's on an expiring deal.

James Jones needs to give back that EotY award he got. Seriously.

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[Dr Positivity]

If Suns plan to keep all of Paul, Booker, Bridges and Ayton the rest of their depth is going to get crushed, what are those guys going to combine for in a few years like 125 mil? I don't think they can resign Payne or give out any other contracts unless Sarver is willing to go full Warriors, so I guess Booker is backup PG.

[jredsaz]

The sad part about this is that the Suns just drafted precisely what they needed in Sharpe, only to hand him over to BKN. Then, in the second round, BKN got another stud in Gray which was a second round pick we traded to them way back to dump Jared Dudley.

So, in essence, the Suns got Landry Shamet for Carter, Sharpe, and Gray. That's a pretty lopsided outcome for us and especially when Shamet is likely going to be gone after the season since he's on an expiring deal.

James Jones needs to give back that EotY award he got. Seriously.

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Im just going to disagree. Shamet can help next season and I think thats priority1. The other guys can't. I would have been happy with Sharp as the pick for the Suns but he wasn't getting run next season. Odds are neither Sharp or Grey are in the NBA after their contract.

Having a RFA in Shamet next offseason isn't a bad thing. Cap flexibility on the margins is important for a team that will likely be deep in the tax. Its pretty clear they are looking to stay under the tax for one more year giving them the ability to use the full MLE to add another significant piece and keep Payne. Think that was priority 2.

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[jredsaz]

If Suns plan to keep all of Paul, Booker, Bridges and Ayton the rest of their depth is going to get crushed, what are those guys going to combine for in a few years like 125 mil? I don't think they can resign Payne or give out any other contracts unless Sarver is willing to go full Warriors, so I guess Booker is backup PG.

Shamet acquisition makes signing Payne a huge priority.

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[MartinToVaught]

Shamet has been on good teams the last 2 years and neither time did it feel like a playoff difference maker. Not sure it'll be different in Phx.

Unfortunately, it seems like he peaked in his rookie year. It's bizarre how much he's fallen off since then.

[Dr Positivity]

If Suns plan to keep all of Paul, Booker, Bridges and Ayton the rest of their depth is going to get crushed, what are those guys going to combine for in a few years like 125 mil? I don't think they can resign Payne or give out any other contracts unless Sarver is willing to go full Warriors, so I guess Booker is backup PG.

Shamet acquisition makes signing Payne a huge priority.

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Booker can be their backup PG, although questionable if Paul gets injured.

This is a salary nightmare:

Paul - 35 million a year for next 3 years or something
Booker - 31.6, 33.8, 36.0 next 3
Ayton - max extension (starts at 33)
Bridges - maybe 25 mil a year or something extension

If Payne can get 11 million a year or something can they really pay that?

[SkyBill40]

The sad part about this is that the Suns just drafted precisely what they needed in Sharpe, only to hand him over to BKN. Then, in the second round, BKN got another stud in Gray which was a second round pick we traded to them way back to dump Jared Dudley.

So, in essence, the Suns got Landry Shamet for Carter, Sharpe, and Gray. That's a pretty lopsided outcome for us and especially when Shamet is likely going to be gone after the season since he's on an expiring deal.

James Jones needs to give back that EotY award he got. Seriously.

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Im just going to disagree. Shamet can help next season and I think thats priority1. The other guys can't. I would have been happy with Sharp as the pick for the Suns but he wasn't getting run next season. Odds are neither Sharp or Grey are in the NBA after their contract.

Having a RFA in Shamet next offseason isn't a bad thing. Cap flexibility on the margins is important for a team that will likely be deep in the tax. Its pretty clear they are looking to stay under the tax for one more year giving them the ability to use the full MLE to add another significant piece and keep Payne. Think that was priority 2.

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Totally fine for you to disagree. That's your right.

As for saying Sharpe wouldn't have picked up any run had we kept him, I personally think that's a bit of ridiculousness. He'd be far more useful and helpful than their 10th overall from last season. Talk about a truly wasted pick and in the lottery no less. As for your projection of whether either Sharpe or Gray are still around after their rookie deal, again, the same can be said of Smith. We'll see one way or another, but I think you're going to be the one who's wrong here.

There's no way they're going to be under the tax seeing how many holes are going to be filled and especially not with Paul looking for a 3/$100M deal. Even Robert Sarver knows they're going to be pretty well into the luxury tax, so I don't know where you're getting the idea they're going to somehow be under it. As for Payne, he's looking to get paid and he's not going to find the type of money he's after here. That means he's gone. Shamet isn't a PG by any stretch of the imagination and he's not going to be able to fill that role. He may be a better shooter (or on par with Payne) but he's nowhere close as far as a distributor or playmaker.

The next few weeks will be telling. I'm not all that optimistic we keep much of the gang intact to try and run it back, not that it matters all that much seeing that all of the other teams who we managed to get by are improving while we're relatively stagnant.

[jredsaz]

If Suns plan to keep all of Paul, Booker, Bridges and Ayton the rest of their depth is going to get crushed, what are those guys going to combine for in a few years like 125 mil? I don't think they can resign Payne or give out any other contracts unless Sarver is willing to go full Warriors, so I guess Booker is backup PG.

Shamet acquisition makes signing Payne a huge priority.

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Booker can be their backup PG, although questionable if Paul gets injured.

This is a salary nightmare:

Paul - 35 million a year for next 3 years or something
Booker - 31.6, 33.8, 36.0 next 3
Ayton - max extension (starts at 33)
Bridges - maybe 25 mil a year or something extension

If Payne can get 11 million a year or something can they really pay that?

Payne is the only guy on the roster who consistently beats defenders one on one and puts pressure on the rim. They need that and they should be able to retain him with his early bird rights.

The salary crunch will be there next year but it doesn't make sense letting assets walk because a year from now they may be too expensive. I say they cross that bridge when they get there. How they proceed at that point will have a lot to do with how they perform this season.

I expect them to sign Payne and a full or tax MLE guy this offseason depending on CPs contract structure. They could fit a BAE in as well if this scenario is executed. Also will have a DPE from Dario.

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[jredsaz]

The sad part about this is that the Suns just drafted precisely what they needed in Sharpe, only to hand him over to BKN. Then, in the second round, BKN got another stud in Gray which was a second round pick we traded to them way back to dump Jared Dudley.

So, in essence, the Suns got Landry Shamet for Carter, Sharpe, and Gray. That's a pretty lopsided outcome for us and especially when Shamet is likely going to be gone after the season since he's on an expiring deal.

James Jones needs to give back that EotY award he got. Seriously.

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Im just going to disagree. Shamet can help next season and I think thats priority1. The other guys can't. I would have been happy with Sharp as the pick for the Suns but he wasn't getting run next season. Odds are neither Sharp or Grey are in the NBA after their contract.

Having a RFA in Shamet next offseason isn't a bad thing. Cap flexibility on the margins is important for a team that will likely be deep in the tax. Its pretty clear they are looking to stay under the tax for one more year giving them the ability to use the full MLE to add another significant piece and keep Payne. Think that was priority 2.

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Totally fine for you to disagree. That's your right.

As for saying Sharpe wouldn't have picked up any run had we kept him, I personally think that's a bit of ridiculousness. He'd be far more useful and helpful than their 10th overall from last season. Talk about a truly wasted pick and in the lottery no less. As for your projection of whether either Sharpe or Gray are still around after their rookie deal, again, the same can be said of Smith. We'll see one way or another, but I think you're going to be the one who's wrong here.

There's no way they're going to be under the tax seeing how many holes are going to be filled and especially not with Paul looking for a 3/$100M deal. Even Robert Sarver knows they're going to be pretty well into the luxury tax, so I don't know where you're getting the idea they're going to somehow be under it. As for Payne, he's looking to get paid and he's not going to find the type of money he's after here. That means he's gone. Shamet isn't a PG by any stretch of the imagination and he's not going to be able to fill that role. He may be a better shooter (or on par with Payne) but he's nowhere close as far as a distributor or playmaker.

The next few weeks will be telling. I'm not all that optimistic we keep much of the gang intact to try and run it back, not that it matters all that much seeing that all of the other teams who we managed to get by are improving while we're relatively stagnant.

Jesus man! Who hurt you?!

There is a bunch to unpack there. As far as the 29th and 59th picks staying in the NBA longterm, like I said, the actual odds are literally against it. It is what it is.

I expect the Suns to add multiple vet bigs to the roster. Also expect Smith to have a role this year. Not a lot room for a 19 year old with defensive issues in this rotation IMO.

Payne may get over paid but with early bird right Suns can offer him $10.5 million to start. Think thats his market. 75% sure he is back. Hard to believe a team would offer him more than a MLE.

Here is one way they can operate under the tax. If Payne isn't brought back it will be easy.

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Suns have more internal improvement left than any competitor they faced last year. They will have an MLE (full or tax) and possibly a BAE depending on how they structure CPs deal. They will have a $4.5 million DPE for Dario. Plus they will likely get one or two vet ring chasers on the cheap. Plenty of opportunity for improvement.

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[Phystic]

The sad part about this is that the Suns just drafted precisely what they needed in Sharpe, only to hand him over to BKN. Then, in the second round, BKN got another stud in Gray which was a second round pick we traded to them way back to dump Jared Dudley.

So, in essence, the Suns got Landry Shamet for Carter, Sharpe, and Gray. That's a pretty lopsided outcome for us and especially when Shamet is likely going to be gone after the season since he's on an expiring deal.

James Jones needs to give back that EotY award he got. Seriously.

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So you're counting the result a different GM made years ago against this trade? How does that make any sense.

Carter doesn't matter. The 29th pick is not what we need. Obviously we have a young base. Need to add pieces that can contribute

[Papi_swav]

Brooklyn made a good trade here. Carter is decent as a backup PG plus they get #29.
Shamet is kind of Bryn Forbes or Korkmaz with better marketing.

Carter is awesome, but he is not a backup PG. he is a very short three and D wing. Not a good dribbler or passer, but excellent defender and hits open 3s at a high clip.

If he defends point guards well and hits open 3s, is all we could ask.

[pacers33granger]

If Chris Paul leaves, do you still feel this way?
Same question with Cam payne too I guess.

Yup. Not that any new deal for Shamet should break the bank or anything, but they'll still have Booker's max, Ayton's max, and Bridges potentially approaching max with about $20 mil still owed in that first year to Crowder/Saric. With a notoriously cheap owner.

I also just really don't think Shamet is worth a first anyways, but that's somewhat besides the point.

I mean the 29th pick isn't a first in that context. This gives the Suns flexibility moving forward and is an upgrade over Carter. My biggest problem with the move is that they need more guys who can put pressure on the rim and he isnt that. Payne becomes more important to sign, not less.

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The 29th pick is a first... I'm not sure I'm following the logic.

It could've been a cheap bench piece for 4 years. Sure, doubtful there will be any contributions in year one but I'm not a fan of giving that up for 1 year of an ok shooter who hasn't found a consistent role on several good teams.

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