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[Shams[ Official: Doumbouya and 2nd to Houston 

Post#21 » by KuruptedCav » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:27 am

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I can explain this one. :D If someone will take the other one.


If the Nets were going to waive Sekou, this allows them to do it while saving money (Sumner has less guaranteed) without having to relinquish a pick (2nd in and 2nd out). That's what I would think from Brooklyn perspective.

Whats the big deal about saving 2nd rounders? They can be cheap contributors on expensive teams like Brooklyn. And they traded away four 2nds to offload DeAndre Jordan on the Pistons


I think you have this backwards. I think what we are questioning is why they preferred that Indy 2nd to an addition 8 figures in savings. We don't care about the 2nd, we care about effectively spending that much money to keep one.


Nvm. I don’t get it.
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Post#22 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:27 am

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Texas Chuck wrote:I think it was reported already Brooklyn is waiving Sumner though, no?


Well then I don’t get it. I liked the flier assuming he came back soon enough


He JUST ruptured his achilles RIGHT before camp. Even on the new accelerated timeline of recoveries lately, he's not playing this season.

And otherwise, if Brooklyn was planning on waiving Sekou to get to the 15 limit, they still waived the roster spot, and saved a bunch of money with this little bit of arbitrage. Sure, they could have saved a lot more money by not doing the Sumner part to maintain their 2nds, but, at the least....why not?
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Re: [Shams[ Official: Doumbouya and 2nd to Houston 

Post#23 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:28 am

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If the Nets were going to waive Sekou, this allows them to do it while saving money (Sumner has less guaranteed) without having to relinquish a pick (2nd in and 2nd out). That's what I would think from Brooklyn perspective.

Whats the big deal about saving 2nd rounders? They can be cheap contributors on expensive teams like Brooklyn. And they traded away four 2nds to offload DeAndre Jordan on the Pistons


I think you have this backwards. I think what we are questioning is why they preferred that Indy 2nd to an addition 8 figures in savings. We don't care about the 2nd, we care about effectively spending that much money to keep one.

You answered you own question. The Nets will save money if it doesn’t harm them on the court and will spend money if it helps them.

While Sekou has more raw talent, Sumner can play a positive role in a winning basketball team this year.


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How does a guy out all season help them on the court this year?
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Re: [Shams[ Official: Doumbouya and 2nd to Houston 

Post#24 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:29 am

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If the Nets were going to waive Sekou, this allows them to do it while saving money (Sumner has less guaranteed) without having to relinquish a pick (2nd in and 2nd out). That's what I would think from Brooklyn perspective.

Whats the big deal about saving 2nd rounders? They can be cheap contributors on expensive teams like Brooklyn. And they traded away four 2nds to offload DeAndre Jordan on the Pistons


I think you have this backwards. I think what we are questioning is why they preferred that Indy 2nd to an addition 8 figures in savings. We don't care about the 2nd, we care about effectively spending that much money to keep one.

You answered you own question. The Nets will save money if it doesn’t harm them on the court and will spend money if it helps them.

While Sekou has more raw talent, Sumner can play a positive role in a winning basketball team this year.


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Not this year. He ruptured his achilles not even a month ago, and underwent surgery for it on Sep 14. He's not playing NBA minutes this season.
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Re: [Shams[ Official: Doumbouya and 2nd to Houston 

Post#25 » by KuruptedCav » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:32 am

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KuruptedCav wrote:
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I think you have this backwards. I think what we are questioning is why they preferred that Indy 2nd to an addition 8 figures in savings. We don't care about the 2nd, we care about effectively spending that much money to keep one.

You answered you own question. The Nets will save money if it doesn’t harm them on the court and will spend money if it helps them.

While Sekou has more raw talent, Sumner can play a positive role in a winning basketball team this year.


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How does a guy out all season help them on the court this year?

He doesn’t. It was just a salary dump back to get the pick, so they save less money and give up a smaller asset to do it.


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Re: [Shams[ Official: Doumbouya and 2nd to Houston 

Post#26 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:41 am

Yeah idk why BKN wanted the second instead of all the extra savings. Odd. Like it well enough for Houston. More happy to have been proven right about his value tho lol
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Post#27 » by meekrab » Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:17 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the typical cash price for a 2nd round pick more like 2 or 3 million? Brooklyn doin some weird stuff.
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Post#28 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:39 am

meekrab wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the typical cash price for a 2nd round pick more like 2 or 3 million? Brooklyn doin some weird stuff.
Don't think we've seen a straight cash for 2nd deal in two years now so who knows
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Post#29 » by Apz » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:33 am

Im not following this trade, but if he ruptured his achilles, maybe some obscure rule in the injury compensation rules?
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Post#30 » by Resistance » Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:56 am

Apz wrote:Im not following this trade, but if he ruptured his achilles, maybe some obscure rule in the injury compensation rules?



Only the team that he was with at the time of the injury can get any special allowances from the league.

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If this exception is granted, the team can acquire one player via free agent signing, trade or waiver claim, to replace the disabled player:

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Since it is well known that he has had a serious injury, there isn't going to be a chance to try and trick/fool the league on this.
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Post#31 » by Snakebites » Wed Oct 6, 2021 9:33 am

Honestly, Sekou makes me sad.

There was a time when we had a lot of hope for that guy- he looked like me might become a decent player.

Never showed anything but flashes and the writing was on the wall that it just wasn't going to happen by the time we really got into the thick of it this past season.

People talk a lot about bad trades and bad signings the Pistons have made over the last decade or so, but I will FOREVER maintain that our abysmal draft record is the number one factor that kept us from relevancy since the late 00s. The draft is how bad teams add value to their roster, and we categorically failed at that. I'm hoping Sekou is the end of that sad legacy. We've got Cade, Bey, and Stewart now, and I'm still hoping (praying) Hayes makes something of it.
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Re: [Shams[ Official: Doumbouya and 2nd to Houston 

Post#32 » by Domejandro » Wed Oct 6, 2021 11:24 am

To answer the questions on the first page, Brooklyn saw an opportunity to effectively save a huge chunk of salary (in taxes) without losing draft capital. If they wanted to save even more salary, they would have just traded Sekou Doumbouya and the second round draft pick and called it there, but doing both deals allowed them to save money at (functionally) zero cost.
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Post#33 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Oct 6, 2021 11:41 am

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meekrab wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the typical cash price for a 2nd round pick more like 2 or 3 million? Brooklyn doin some weird stuff.
Don't think we've seen a straight cash for 2nd deal in two years now so who knows


Bassey was straight bought this past year for 2m.
But that is a pick in the early 50’s; and the Nets no longer have cash to send.
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Re: [Shams[ Official: Doumbouya and 2nd to Houston 

Post#34 » by gambitx777 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 1:57 pm

Busted faster than Jan vesley lol. Ouch. Maybe Lakers , bucks , heat or another team in desperate need of young talent can pick him up .

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Post#35 » by daoneandonly » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:14 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:And just so everyone is clear on his potential, Houston who will be terrible is waiving him and this was simply an asset play for them.

This isn't a roster spot issue for the Nets. This is he sucks and was negative value.


I'd trade Trey Burke for him though, which maybe says more about Burke
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Post#36 » by JNewton » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:18 pm

Snakebites wrote:Honestly, Sekou makes me sad.

There was a time when we had a lot of hope for that guy- he looked like me might become a decent player.

Never showed anything but flashes and the writing was on the wall that it just wasn't going to happen by the time we really got into the thick of it this past season.

People talk a lot about bad trades and bad signings the Pistons have made over the last decade or so, but I will FOREVER maintain that our abysmal draft record is the number one factor that kept us from relevancy since the late 00s. The draft is how bad teams add value to their roster, and we categorically failed at that. I'm hoping Sekou is the end of that sad legacy. We've got Cade, Bey, and Stewart now, and I'm still hoping (praying) Hayes makes something of it.


When the Pistons finally committed to rebuilding in January 2020 and put Sekou in the starting lineup, he had a few weeks stretch where he really looked like he might be something. Kinda sad that was pretty much the most promise the Pistons had out of a draft pick for perhaps a decade. I don't know how the Troy Weaver era will turn out, but Isiah Stewart and Saddiq Bey have already proven to be better picks than pretty much anyone the Pistons selected during the entirety of the 2010s, to say nothing of Cade.
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Post#37 » by Resistance » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:51 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:And just so everyone is clear on his potential, Houston who will be terrible is waiving him and this was simply an asset play for them.

This isn't a roster spot issue for the Nets. This is he sucks and was negative value.


I'd trade Trey Burke for him though, which maybe says more about Burke



Houston has Gordon, so they don't need Burke.

So

Doumbouya for Burke is unlikely

Doumbouya for Burke + incentive could be possible
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Post#38 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:53 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
meekrab wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the typical cash price for a 2nd round pick more like 2 or 3 million? Brooklyn doin some weird stuff.
Don't think we've seen a straight cash for 2nd deal in two years now so who knows


Bassey was straight bought this past year for 2m.
But that is a pick in the early 50’s; and the Nets no longer have cash to send.
Ah, thanks for the correction
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Post#39 » by meekrab » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:59 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
meekrab wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the typical cash price for a 2nd round pick more like 2 or 3 million? Brooklyn doin some weird stuff.
Don't think we've seen a straight cash for 2nd deal in two years now so who knows


Bassey was straight bought this past year for 2m.
But that is a pick in the early 50’s; and the Nets no longer have cash to send.

The picks involved were in 24 and 25, this season's trade cash budget is more or less irrelevant, but maybe guaranteeing the pick will be there is worth paying 3x as much. :dontknow:
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Post#40 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:05 pm

meekrab wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Don't think we've seen a straight cash for 2nd deal in two years now so who knows


Bassey was straight bought this past year for 2m.
But that is a pick in the early 50’s; and the Nets no longer have cash to send.

The picks involved were in 24 and 25, this season's trade cash budget is more or less irrelevant, but maybe guaranteeing the pick will be there is worth paying 3x as much. :dontknow:

probably about maintaining a liquid asset

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