[Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn

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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#21 » by Wizop » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:11 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Indy signing Wannamaker to a camp deal. Wouldn't think this means he makes the team though.


the third point guard spot i open. Wannamaker, Sykes, and others are competing for it.
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#22 » by pacers33granger » Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:48 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Indy signing Wannamaker to a camp deal. Wouldn't think this means he makes the team though.
Wish this was Lance.

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How could you.... :banghead:

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I mean, I'm sure he's still better than Wanamaker. Neither should make the team, but at least camp would be fun.
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#23 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:22 pm

Are there protections on the second the pacers sent? Rockets beat writer said the rockets had the option of choosing between this deal from indy and the one from Brooklyn but took on the extra money for Sekou because the pick was completely unprotected while the pick from indy would not be
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#24 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:35 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Are there protections on the second the pacers sent? Rockets beat writer said the rockets had the option of choosing between this deal from indy and the one from Brooklyn but took on the extra money for Sekou because the pick was completely unprotected while the pick from indy would not be


IDK, but if there are protections on that Indy pick, it makes the Nets decision to make that deal even more perplexing.
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#25 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:43 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:Are there protections on the second the pacers sent? Rockets beat writer said the rockets had the option of choosing between this deal from indy and the one from Brooklyn but took on the extra money for Sekou because the pick was completely unprotected while the pick from indy would not be


IDK, but if there are protections on that Indy pick, it makes the Nets decision to make that deal even more perplexing.
I would think so, otherwise why wouldn't the rockets just take the pick and Sumner and keep a million dollars in space under the tax? only a touch over $3M below it after the Sekou move, guess we'll find out when the Sumner Dela is done
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#26 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:48 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:Are there protections on the second the pacers sent? Rockets beat writer said the rockets had the option of choosing between this deal from indy and the one from Brooklyn but took on the extra money for Sekou because the pick was completely unprotected while the pick from indy would not be


IDK, but if there are protections on that Indy pick, it makes the Nets decision to make that deal even more perplexing.
I would think so, otherwise why wouldn't the rockets just take the pick and Sumner and keep a million dollars in space under the tax? only a touch over $3M below it after the Sekou move, guess we'll find out when the Sumner Dela is done


Who knows. We haven't heard of Indy adding any protections on that pick. The pick from Miami is unprotected to Indy, at this point. So maybe Indy dealt a "lesser of Indy/Miami pick" protection on it?
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#27 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:50 pm

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IDK, but if there are protections on that Indy pick, it makes the Nets decision to make that deal even more perplexing.
I would think so, otherwise why wouldn't the rockets just take the pick and Sumner and keep a million dollars in space under the tax? only a touch over $3M below it after the Sekou move, guess we'll find out when the Sumner Dela is done


Who knows. We haven't heard of Indy adding any protections on that pick. The pick from Miami is unprotected to Indy, at this point. So maybe Indy dealt a "lesser of Indy/Miami pick" protection on it?


Here's the excerpt from the Houston Chronical piece by Feigen, who is THE rockets reporter

The Rockets could have made a similar, less costly deal with Indiana, saving about $1 million in salary they would have spent for a player they were not keeping. They opted for the more expensive deal because the pick is completely unprotected while the Indiana pick would have come with some protections that would have made it possible that it would not have been conveyed at all.
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#28 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:00 pm

No specifics from either team, but it is indeed a "conditional" pick


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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#29 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:25 pm

K_chile22 wrote:No specifics from either team, but it is indeed a "conditional" pick



Weird. It’s an unprotected 2nd that we own. Guess they’re saying Indy protected it for this deal, which maybe.
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#30 » by pacers33granger » Wed Oct 6, 2021 9:32 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:No specifics from either team, but it is indeed a "conditional" pick



Weird. It’s an unprotected 2nd that we own. Guess they’re saying Indy protected it for this deal, which maybe.


It makes sense. The pick the Nets sent looks to be their own 24 pick. The Miami 2nd comes a year later, but is probably a better pick. It would be off if we made a deal sending a better pick to dump $2.3 mil just to Brooklyn pocket that pick and send a worse one to dump $3.6 mil.
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#31 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 6, 2021 9:54 pm

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K_chile22 wrote:No specifics from either team, but it is indeed a "conditional" pick



Weird. It’s an unprotected 2nd that we own. Guess they’re saying Indy protected it for this deal, which maybe.



Trade went through. It’s an unprotected, unconditional 2025 Miami 2nd. :dontknow:
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#32 » by K_chile22 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 10:05 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
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K_chile22 wrote:No specifics from either team, but it is indeed a "conditional" pick



Weird. It’s an unprotected 2nd that we own. Guess they’re saying Indy protected it for this deal, which maybe.



Trade went through. It’s an unprotected, unconditional 2025 Miami 2nd. :dontknow:

Oh, where'd you see that? conflicts with Indiana's press release
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#33 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Oct 7, 2021 1:45 am

K_chile22 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
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Weird. It’s an unprotected 2nd that we own. Guess they’re saying Indy protected it for this deal, which maybe.



Trade went through. It’s an unprotected, unconditional 2025 Miami 2nd. :dontknow:

Oh, where'd you see that? conflicts with Indiana's press release


Scott Agness. He’s essentially the biggest mouthpiece beat writer of the Pacers front office.

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Guess we’ll have to see it come across the wire.
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#34 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Oct 7, 2021 2:11 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

Trade went through. It’s an unprotected, unconditional 2025 Miami 2nd. :dontknow:

Oh, where'd you see that? conflicts with Indiana's press release


Scott Agness. He’s essentially the biggest mouthpiece beat writer of the Pacers front office.

Read on Twitter
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Guess we’ll have to see it come across the wire.


Not double checking (I should), but iirc the Nets paid 2 2nds for Vaulet way back in the day
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#35 » by K_chile22 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 3:25 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

Trade went through. It’s an unprotected, unconditional 2025 Miami 2nd. :dontknow:

Oh, where'd you see that? conflicts with Indiana's press release


Scott Agness. He’s essentially the biggest mouthpiece beat writer of the Pacers front office.

Read on Twitter
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Guess we’ll have to see it come across the wire.
According to the draft pick tracker here on real gm it is top 37 protected and does not roll over if it doesn't convey in 2025

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
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Re: [Woj] Official: Sumner and 2nd to Brooklyn 

Post#36 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Oct 7, 2021 3:30 am

K_chile22 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Oh, where'd you see that? conflicts with Indiana's press release


Scott Agness. He’s essentially the biggest mouthpiece beat writer of the Pacers front office.

Read on Twitter
?s=21



Guess we’ll have to see it come across the wire.
According to the draft pick tracker here on real gm it is top 37 protected and does not roll over if it doesn't convey in 2025

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed


Huh. We’ll take it, I guess.

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