You Have Been Hired As Kings GM: You Must Trade Marvin Bagley III and Buddy Hield

[Pelon chingon]

As Kings acting GM, I do NOT want Simmons on my roster around my already guard rich team. On good authority, I know Wolves are one of the few organizations that actually want him on their roster. So yes, I jump into Simmons saga…

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Harris + Joe
FOR
Westbrook + Beasley (or Prince - 76ers choose 1) + MB3 + 3x Wolves 1sts + 2x Wolves 1st Swaps

Lakers Trade:
Westbrook + Small Filler Player
FOR
Buddy + Beverley (or Prince)

Wolves Trade:
Beasley and/or Prince and/or Beverley + Bolmaro + Picks Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + Joe + Lakers Small Filler Player

Kings Trade:
Buddy + MB3
FOR
Harris + Bolmaro

As Kings GM, I help Lakers undo their offseason mistake (Westbrook instead of Buddy) and help Morey get a big name player for trading Simmons. In return, I balance my roster, get a young prospect on full rookie deal, and move on from old regime draft mistake in MB3.

Holmes | Len | Jones | (TT)
Harris | (Barnes) | TT | (Hark)
Barnes | Hark | Bolmaro
Hali | (Fox) | Davis | (Bolmaro)
Fox | (Hali) | Mitchell

Kings fan:
I'm not opposed to adding Harris to the Kings but I need something more than bolmaro to grease the wheels to compensate for his salary. Some of those Wolves picks would have to come our way.

[Bentley1225]

I would not trade Frank Jackson for Marvin Bagley (I assume it's a typo right?), I couldn't care less about Josh Jackson tho.

Detroit frontcourt is good, our backcourt is historically bad

KO/Stewart
Grant/Lyles/KO
Bey/Grant

That's our only strength. We have no place for Bagley and he is bad. If Sacramento decides to trade Bagley, they'll either add a small asset or will take a longer contract back.

Pistons have too many swingmen and guards. With this, here is what I suspect depth chart would be:

Cunningham/Joseph/Lee
Bey/Hayes/McGruder
Grant/Diallo/Smith
Bagley/Lyles/Livers
Stewart/Olynyk/Garza

Bagley would not see the court at all. Lyles and KO are much better than him, and Weaver is in love with Stewart. Grant should be 4 and Bey 3.

For me idealy the roster will be

Starting C / Stewart
Grant / Lyles
Bey / Grant / Cade
Cade / F.Jackson
Starting PG / Lee

KO is too old, Bagley is not good enough to be in the depth chart, Frank Jackson is a decent young guy with potential that should have a future with the team. So a Bagley for Frank Jackson would be a no go, even tho, neither of them have any trade value.

Well stats and analytics yield that Bagley is incrementally better than Lyles and to your point KO is old, he's more a 5 at this point. I theorized that both Bagley and Lyles could split time at the 4 (avg 24mpg each). What have the Pistons got to lose?.

[Texas Chuck]

What have the Pistons got to lose?.

Developmental time for a player that would be on their roster next year.

[vege]

Well stats and analytics yield that Bagley is incrementally better than Lyles

I have no idea what analytics and numbers you're looking at, but no he is not better.

Frank Jackson started games for us, he has been playing consistent minutes (despite the fact that he is strugling to shoot the ball and he is a good shooter), he is not good, but we obviously see potential in him, so we're trying to develop him.

We are super deep at PF/C (Bagley's position) the guys we have there, have been performing at a high level, despite of the team being a joke, the worst of the bunch is Isaiah Stewart, and Troy Weaver is super high on him, he paid to get rid of Plumlee, so Stewart could start (and he shouldn't be starting), he got Ben Wallace to work with the kid, he paid an absurd price to acquire the pick to draft him, etc etc.

Grant is arguably the team's best player, and he is a PF.

Trey Lyles has exceeded expetations and he is playing some of the best games of his career. And KO was Weaver big acquisition for the season.

Bagley would not play minutes over any of those guys. Hell, even Luka Garza has been much better than expected and deserves a few minutes here and there.

Josh Jackson, Hamidou Diallo, Corey Joseph, Killian Hayes are all garbage, that's where Detroit need upgrades/reclamation projects/whatever production they can get.

I have no idea why you're prolonging this discussion, you had an idea, I explained why it's bad. You don't follow Detroit, since you don't even know the name of the player, so just accept the feedback and move on.

[zimpy27]

I want to get Buddy/backup PG to Cleveland with Sexton/Rubio to a 3rd team and a forward to the Kings. But can't quite find the right deal.

Buddy/Tyus to Cavs
Anderson/Culver to Kings
Sexton/Rubio to Grizzlies

[shangrila]

I want to get Buddy/backup PG to Cleveland with Sexton/Rubio to a 3rd team and a forward to the Kings. But can't quite find the right deal.

Challenge accepted.

Kings trade; Buddy Hield
Kings get; Josh Richardson, Maxi Kleber

Reason - Get a defensive wing and a 3&D PF to compliment their young core

Mavericks trade; Maxi Kleber, Jalen Brunson
Mavericks get; Juancho Hernangomez, Collin Sexton

Reason - Mavs get a scorer to take some pressure off of Luka and don't lose Kleber's production entirely by getting Juancho back.

Cavaliers trade; Collin Sexton, Ricky Rubio
Cavaliers get; Buddy Hield, Jalen Brunson

Reason - Get a 3pt sniper to spread the floor and a solid, and young, backup PG. Also sidestep Sexton's extension.

Celtics trade; Josh Richardson, Juancho Hernangomez
Celtics get; Ricky Rubio

Reason - Celtics get an actual PG on the roster

Fairly cap neutral all round, though I should note I haven't kept up with other teams so far so the values are mostly based off of last season and beyond. I also think there's probably some value issues that picks could solve but not sure who sends what to where.

[LightTheBeam]

I want to get Buddy/backup PG to Cleveland with Sexton/Rubio to a 3rd team and a forward to the Kings. But can't quite find the right deal.

Challenge accepted.

Kings trade; Buddy Hield
Kings get; Josh Richardson, Maxi Kleber

Reason - Get a defensive wing and a 3&D PF to compliment their young core

Mavericks trade; Maxi Kleber, Jalen Brunson
Mavericks get; Juancho Hernangomez, Collin Sexton

Reason - Mavs get a scorer to take some pressure off of Luka and don't lose Kleber's production entirely by getting Juancho back.

Cavaliers trade; Collin Sexton, Ricky Rubio
Cavaliers get; Buddy Hield, Jalen Brunson

Reason - Get a 3pt sniper to spread the floor and a solid, and young, backup PG. Also sidestep Sexton's extension.

Celtics trade; Josh Richardson, Juancho Hernangomez
Celtics get; Ricky Rubio

Reason - Celtics get an actual PG on the roster

Fairly cap neutral all round, though I should note I haven't kept up with other teams so far so the values are mostly based off of last season and beyond. I also think there's probably some value issues that picks could solve but not sure who sends what to where.

I don't hate this for Sacramento, but Richardson just isn't good. He hasn't been a good defender for a few years now either, and tbh I think he has been overrated in this aspect for years. Maxi is decent, but I'm not sure the Kings are interested in going back to a 2 big lineup. Maybe Maxi makes sense because he can stretch the floor and play defense, idk really? I think overall this hurts the Kings this year more than helps, but I can see the argument.

You've heard what I think about Richardson, and Hernangomez is just a bad contract. Boston certainly needs to add some incentive here.

Cavs getting shafted. Why side step Sextons contract just to pay older Buddy similar money? And Brunson is going to need a new deal here soon. Rubio is either going to help them fight for the play-in or probably get traded for some incentive this season. I dont think you can convince Boston to add enough incentive for it to make sense for Cleveland.

I like it for Dallas though, they need to take a risk on a young guy who can be paired with Luka long term. Sexton could make sense as the 2nd guy.

[NYG]

Great idea OP

I know it's very underwhelming, but what's your opinion of mine?

I would probably go the veteran depth route...

Buddy Hield, Tristan Thompson and Jami'us Ramsey for Eric Gordon, D.J. Augustin and Danuel House

Marvin Bagley III for Thaddeus Young

[BoogieTime]

Buddy looks like a top 6th man

which teams don't need that?

[kalenclayton]

Great idea OP

I know it's very underwhelming, but what's your opinion of mine?

I would probably go the veteran depth route...

Buddy Hield, Tristan Thompson and Jami'us Ramsey for Eric Gordon, D.J. Augustin and Danuel House

Marvin Bagley III for Thaddeus Young

I’ll throw in my two cents here. I think the Buddy trade makes the Kings worse. Buddy is finally playing the 6th man role and he’s doing it well. I see him in the running for the 6th man award and the Kings need what he provides. The trade here replaces Buddy with a worse shooting, better playmaking 6th man. I have always liked Gordon, but I think Buddy is the better player and fit in Sac. The rest of the trade is iffy. Augustin is filler in Sac and likely gets bought out or flipped. House may be a nice addition, but I don’t see Walton giving him minutes over Harkless (continuity and defensive trust). From the Kings side, TT has been playing the backup big role and providing an amazing locker room voice (his best asset). Ramsey showed a lot of improvement in summer league and I could see him working his way into the rotation if he continues to improve.

The value of the trade may be fine, but I just think the Kings are better off with the current set of guys or waiting for a trade that improves the team as a whole. Buddy likely gets traded for a 3 or a 4 who starts for the team. Likely a bigger trade.

[LightTheBeam]

Buddy with another impressive outing. 20/6 and 2 steals on 55% shooting.

Based on his value, he means more to sac right now than what he would fetch. I don't think we have the consistent bench scoring or overall team 3pt shooting to let him walk out the door.

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[OscarH]

With Patrick Williams injury news could Bulls want to go all in on regular season.

Sac In: Patrick Williams, Derrick Jones JR & Simonovic (or other matching salary)

Sac add DJJ whom McNair wanted in FA couple years back and wait for Williams to recover to add young player that will contribute quicker than any 22 draft pick.

Chi In: Buddy Hield, Damian Jones and Top 4 protected 1st

Team lacks any volume shooting other than Lavine and Lonzo. Get Jones as some big depth

[jbk1234]

I want to get Buddy/backup PG to Cleveland with Sexton/Rubio to a 3rd team and a forward to the Kings. But can't quite find the right deal.

Buddy/Tyus to Cavs
Anderson/Culver to Kings
Sexton/Rubio to Grizzlies

Sexton and Rubio are the best players here by far.

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[WAKEANT]

Bagley
2 2nds


For

Chris Boucher

overpay for Boucher -- Toronto will probably like this though... but Bagley will still be behind Scottie Barnes unless Bagley can play the 5





Hield for Porzingis

not happening... Buddy is playing pretty good right now, and Porzingis is missing games already... again

[NYG]

Great idea OP

I know it's very underwhelming, but what's your opinion of mine?

I would probably go the veteran depth route...

Buddy Hield, Tristan Thompson and Jami'us Ramsey for Eric Gordon, D.J. Augustin and Danuel House

Marvin Bagley III for Thaddeus Young

I’ll throw in my two cents here. I think the Buddy trade makes the Kings worse. Buddy is finally playing the 6th man role and he’s doing it well. I see him in the running for the 6th man award and the Kings need what he provides. The trade here replaces Buddy with a worse shooting, better playmaking 6th man. I have always liked Gordon, but I think Buddy is the better player and fit in Sac. The rest of the trade is iffy. Augustin is filler in Sac and likely gets bought out or flipped. House may be a nice addition, but I don’t see Walton giving him minutes over Harkless (continuity and defensive trust). From the Kings side, TT has been playing the backup big role and providing an amazing locker room voice (his best asset). Ramsey showed a lot of improvement in summer league and I could see him working his way into the rotation if he continues to improve.

The value of the trade may be fine, but I just think the Kings are better off with the current set of guys or waiting for a trade that improves the team as a whole. Buddy likely gets traded for a 3 or a 4 who starts for the team. Likely a bigger trade.

That's all fair... how do you feel about Young for Bagley?

[kalenclayton]

I know it's very underwhelming, but what's your opinion of mine?

I’ll throw in my two cents here. I think the Buddy trade makes the Kings worse. Buddy is finally playing the 6th man role and he’s doing it well. I see him in the running for the 6th man award and the Kings need what he provides. The trade here replaces Buddy with a worse shooting, better playmaking 6th man. I have always liked Gordon, but I think Buddy is the better player and fit in Sac. The rest of the trade is iffy. Augustin is filler in Sac and likely gets bought out or flipped. House may be a nice addition, but I don’t see Walton giving him minutes over Harkless (continuity and defensive trust). From the Kings side, TT has been playing the backup big role and providing an amazing locker room voice (his best asset). Ramsey showed a lot of improvement in summer league and I could see him working his way into the rotation if he continues to improve.

The value of the trade may be fine, but I just think the Kings are better off with the current set of guys or waiting for a trade that improves the team as a whole. Buddy likely gets traded for a 3 or a 4 who starts for the team. Likely a bigger trade.

That's all fair... how do you feel about Young for Bagley?

Whoops. I totally forgot to comment on that. I am fine with the Bagley for Thad if the team looks like a real playoff team. I’ve always been a fan of Thad’s game. I think the Kings are looking to use Bagley as salary filler for a bigger trade, but if that’s not there I like Thad.

[Patsfan1081]

Id prefer to just move Bagley and keep Buddy. His 3pt shooting and scoring ability has proven to be necessary. If I was hired as the GM I'd fire Walton in the first hour.

But going along with the challenge -

Bagley + 2 2nds for Thad.

Buddy feels like a fit on the Celtics and the pacers, but I can't figure out a deal. Richardson is awful, so I'd definitely want some incentive attached to him.

Richardson/nesmith/grant Williams for buddy/Woodard?

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This isn’t bad however I feel Bagley would need to be involved as Williams is Boston’s only real four at the moment.

[shangrila]

I don't hate this for Sacramento, but Richardson just isn't good. He hasn't been a good defender for a few years now either, and tbh I think he has been overrated in this aspect for years. Maxi is decent, but I'm not sure the Kings are interested in going back to a 2 big lineup. Maybe Maxi makes sense because he can stretch the floor and play defense, idk really? I think overall this hurts the Kings this year more than helps, but I can see the argument.

Fair point. As I said my evaluations on players might be off. I had Richardson as a decent defensive player that’s ok-ish offensively, at least for a backup. But the last time I paid attention to him was when Butler was getting traded so…yeah.

Honestly he’s really in there just to match salaries. Technically Boston could absorb Rubio’s contract entirely but that would be a hell of a tax bill. Or maybe they could sub in a Schroeder and someone else? I’m on my phone so can’t double check.

You've heard what I think about Richardson, and Hernangomez is just a bad contract. Boston certainly needs to add some incentive here

.
Can agree there, but not sure what. It’s in that limbo where 2nds don’t feel like enough but a 1st seems like too much.

Cavs getting shafted. Why side step Sextons contract just to pay older Buddy similar money? And Brunson is going to need a new deal here soon. Rubio is either going to help them fight for the play-in or probably get traded for some incentive this season. I dont think you can convince Boston to add enough incentive for it to make sense for Cleveland

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Better fit with Buddy, not to mention Buddy isn’t on a max which Sexton seems like he’ll get. Brunson shouldn’t break the bank either, so even if it winds up costing the same as Sexton you’ve got two better fits.

Rubio might get traded for incentive, though I e heard it before so I’ll believe it when I see it. This deal gets them pieces that can both help now and in the future, which is t Rubio.

I like it for Dallas though, they need to take a risk on a young guy who can be paired with Luka long term. Sexton could make sense as the 2nd guy.

Yeah, Dallas is the easy one here. Maybe they need to add some incentive too?

[Takingbaconback]

Would 2022 1st round lottery protected pick, Okogie, Prince ($13 mil expiring), Layman for Hield suffice? Wolves need more consistent shooting and scoring.

[5paceman]

As new GM of the Kings, I'm happy to hold onto Buddy and let Bagley go in FA if nothing good comes up. Don't really agree with the premise of this thread. There are must trade situations out there, but it's not the Kings.