LeVert to Cleveland

[Adrian Street]

I would do the original offer. if it's 2 SRP's instead of a FRP I hold onto LeVert, especially since he is the only healthy starter we have left now and is playing great.

Now now is the time to trade LeVert before he gets LeHurt again. Getting Rubio, Sexton and 2 high 2nds for LeVert and Lamb would be great. They'd probably have to send Ed Davis to us to keep from going into the tax. We'd have to cut someone to make that trade as the roster is full. Who? I'd cut Sykes with the understanding that I'm gonna immediately buy out either Davis or Rubio and resign him as soon as that is done.

The question is do the Pacers want to keep Rubio's bird rights or just buy him out.

Sounds like a good plan to me. I think Rubio or Sexton could help next season. Rubio with his passing and Sexton with his shooting.

[DroseReturnChi]

leverts way too overrated. sexton and rubio is already enough unless league sees sexton as a negative.

[patman66]

there is not need to include Sexton, an expiring in rubio and they get off of his 19 mill next year. I don't like it for the cavs though, he is hurt way too much for that amount of money

[Scoot McGroot]

If Sexton AND Rubio are involved, Indy would need to send back another $5+m in salary to avoid the luxury tax. Which means, it’d likely be that Cleveland would have to take back Justin Holiday, which they should love. He’s awesome and the kind of vet wing every team should want. He’s unvaccinated, but he allegedly follows all the league requirements to a T, and he’s otherwise a cool dude that’s easy to get along with.

[BrianInPhilly]

I don’t think Cavs will include Sexton ... I think they low key still want to resign him if they can. Not ideal defensively but Sexton has shown solid shooting.

[Adrian Street]

I don’t think Cavs will include Sexton ... I think they low key still want to resign him if they can. Not ideal defensively but Sexton has shown solid shooting.

Without Sexton I wouldn't do it if I'm the Pacers. LeVert is playing too well for a salary dump and a late pick.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm pretty confident the Pacers will get 1 first back for Levert.

The 2 CLE 2nds are equivalent of a 1st

then trade the first if it's the same value.

I hate LeVert as the target but I've been posting guards to Cleveland and making the incentive a top 20 protected 1st that becomes those 2 2nds if it doesn't convey. If they can sustain their play then they give a late 1st, and shouldn't mind doing so. If they falter they are protected but the team they buy from still gets two top 40 picks. Feels like the right balance. Also doesn't cripple the Cavs by having a protected pick hanging out there hindering them from dealing future 1sts.

[DroseReturnChi]

I don’t think Cavs will include Sexton ... I think they low key still want to resign him if they can. Not ideal defensively but Sexton has shown solid shooting.

they dont want sexton after him gone they played way better.
all they wanted him is for cheap and sell off but he is injury prone and a detriment to team.
sell off while he has value to a tanking team. as much as i am down on levert, he is way more cost controlled and matured version of sexton.

[Revenged25]

I don’t think Cavs will include Sexton ... I think they low key still want to resign him if they can. Not ideal defensively but Sexton has shown solid shooting.

they dont want sexton after him gone they played way better.
all they wanted him is for cheap and sell off but he is injury prone and a detriment to team.
sell off while he has value to a tanking team. as much as i am down on levert, he is way more cost controlled and matured version of sexton.

lol what alternate universe are you living? The Cavs were playing well when he was playing and healthy. The team continued to struggled after he was gone until the players that had been in slumps finally got out of them. Sexton started the season in as slump as well and didn't get the chance to get out of it.
He's also not injury prone. This is the first major injury he's ever had. If you're talking about him missing a couple games here and there due to rolled ankles etc, then nearly every player in the NBA is injury prone then.

Like seriously what are you smoking?

[slicedbread2]

I understand Indiana wanting to get a good deal for Levert but if you can get 2 2nds via HOU+SA and an expiring deal in Rubio take it and run. Caris for his strengths and flaws has but one cardinal sin: an inability to stay healthy.

His health history is pretty brutal. During his last 2 years in college he only played a combined 33 games at Michigan as a player who graduated on time and didn't take a medical redshirt. This cost his stock to crater to the 20th pick. His 3pt shot looked good in college but it just hasn't translated into the NBA. To add insult to injury(pun intended), he has missed over 109 games the past 4 years. The fact he was able to nab the 3/52.5M deal he got was a miracle. I'm well aware that he had a cancerous mass above his kidney which thankfully was removed and it was great to see him make a great recovery as you don't want to see anybody sick.

He's a crafty scorer albeit inefficient at times, but man if his shot was at least league average or above he'd be fetching a far better return. We'll see what the Pacers do(don't expect much if anything). The Cavaliers got a good thing going so they need to be careful on who they bring in to their young team as the wrong signing/deal could fracture a locker room and take them off course(Levert by all accounts is a good dude but they need spacing for their bigs).

[tidho]

injury prone, mediocre defensive effort, and a bit of an iso chucker

if CLE is dumb enough to go this route, they deserve exactly what's coming to them.

[jbk1234]

injury prone, mediocre defensive effort, and a bit of an iso chucker

if CLE is dumb enough to go this route, they deserve exactly what's coming to them.

Okay, but the fans don't.

[Helsbyte]

Rubio and a 1st gets me to the table. The 2nds are a deal breaker for me(they are 2nd round picks no matter how you spin it).
LeVert is not as bad as some of you frame him to be. He is not a super star, if he was he wouldn't be available for Rubio and a 1st type of package. He is probably a slightly above average NBA player. He has his warts but every player does. I guess the bottom line is this if you don't want a player that can go out and get you 20 5 and 5 per night then Indy is happy to keep him. As far as his injury history is concerned, Indy really hasn't seen it. He had the cancer surgery last season and other than the back issue at the beginning of the season he has been a rock in the starting line up.

[jbk1234]

Rubio and a 1st gets me to the table. The 2nds are a deal breaker for me(they are 2nd round picks no matter how you spin it).
LeVert is not as bad as some of you frame him to be. He is not a super star, if he was he wouldn't be available for Rubio and a 1st type of package. He is probably a slightly above average NBA player. He has his warts but every player does. I guess the bottom line is this if you don't want a player that can go out and get you 20 5 and 5 per night then Indy is happy to keep him. As far as his injury history is concerned, Indy really hasn't seen it. He had the cancer surgery last season and other than the back issue at the beginning of the season he has been a rock in the starting line up.

For me, he's just not the type of player the Cavs should be bringing in. I think it's unwise to trade Rubio's expiring contract for him. Any value added on top of that just compounds the mistake.

[Roger Murdock]

Am I crazy for preferring 2x picks at the top of R2 vs the late first?

Cavs 1st will be somewhere between 20 and 27. Hard to see us passing GWS, PHX, MEM in standings so pick 27 is 'best case'. UTA, CHI, PHI, BRK, DAL, MIL, MIA are in the thick of it with us in the standings, so if all 7 do better thats 20. Anything outside that is going to take some odd breaks. Lot of swing room there.

However the 2nd rounders we own are pretty locked in to be high. Houstons is almost certainly going to be #33. SAS will be 35-38 most likely.

I'd rather have 2 bites at the apple when we are that much further down.

[Scoot McGroot]

Am I crazy for preferring 2x picks at the top of R2 vs the late first?

Cavs 1st will be somewhere between 20 and 27. Hard to see us passing GWS, PHX, MEM in standings so pick 27 is 'best case'. UTA, CHI, PHI, BRK, DAL, MIL, MIA are in the thick of it with us in the standings, so if all 7 do better thats 20. Anything outside that is going to take some odd breaks. Lot of swing room there.

However the 2nd rounders we own are pretty locked in to be high. Houstons is almost certainly going to be #33. SAS will be 35-38 most likely.

I'd rather have 2 bites at the apple when we are that much further down.

If you have the 25th pick you could always trade down to 33/38 and likely still get further value. Generally. I’d rather have the 4 years, a salary exception slot with a negotiated deal already, and restricted free agency after 4, rather than an early 2nd wanting more than a 1st rounder salary slot, having to use cap space or an exception to sign them to more than 2 years, and only having restricted free agency only after the first 3 years than after 4 years.

[Wizop]

A first is going to get a regular contract. A second might not. I want to draft a point guard and our own first will probably be too high for that this year. If we can add a mid to later first, I think we can take a gamble as we did with IJax.

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[Madhouse]

I cannot convey with words how badly I hope Cleveland's purported interest in LeVert is smoke. Like seriously, I feel it would be bad juju, the basketball gods will hear me, and we'd trade for him.

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[jbk1234]

I cannot convey with words how badly I hope Cleveland's purported interest in LeVert is smoke. Like seriously, I feel it would be bad juju, the basketball gods will hear me, and we'd trade for him.

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Yeah, this is a bad trade for the Cavs.