Offseason Brogdon sweepstakes

[giberish]

Why does Brogdon have to go? I like Hali+Brogs.

Why is Brodgon definitely gone? Explain to someone who doesn't follow Indy that closely.

It seems like a Hali/Brodgon backcourt would be very effective. Hield can be a bench guy and probably isn't a key long-term guy for Indy (more needed to match money in the trade). Duarte looks like a credible rotation guy but more a backup who can start in case of injury than a solid starter (and as a 24 yo rookie I'm not expecting that much improvement).

I don't see Indy looking for a deep reset. Hali/Brodgon/Turner is a good start. Just need to fill out the forwards. Probably draft one, use cap space for a 2nd and hope Warren comes back healthy for a 3rd.

Because Duarte is a dude, and definitely needs to be starting at the 2 spot. He's starter every day quality already. Then, use Brogdon to help get those forwards, maybe you draft one, and then you've got your lineup running. But mostly, Brogdon wants to be the PG. And Hali should be the PG long-term. Add in McConnell, Buddy, and even Duane Washington Jr. off the bench, and there's a ton of guards that should get some minutes.

I guess from a distance Duarte looks more like just a guy then a dude. Nice for a rookie, but currently well below what you'd want from a starter. At 24, not likely to have the sort of improvement that a 20 yo rookie would have to develop into a solid starter. IMO if Brodgon gets traded then the Pacers are down to one starting quality guard (and then several solid backup quality guards).

[cgf]

I think we would be moving Brogdon to build the forwards, and because we have too many guards, so dealing Brogdon for 2 more guards likely doesn't do much. Probably some kind of SF/PF would be the focus, along with value in draft picks?

Gotcha. So Reddish should be more interesting to your FO than Grimes since Grimes is more of a 2/3 than a 3/4, and Grimes should be more interesting than Quickley since IQ is just a guard?

Would Reddish (or Grimes) + our FRP this year* + whichever of our FRPs is highest next year, be in the right area? Or are they just not interesting enough wing prospects to be the centerpieces of a Brogdon trade this summer? We have the draft capital to sweeten the pot if one of them is intriguing enough, but if we're talking Toppin++...nevermind Barrett...then we're probably going to be priced out.


*assuming that the lotto gods don't hook us up

I don’t know that Reddish would hold much value. We tried to get him, but for a second or two. We weren’t willing to include a first, so I doubt he’d be a centerpiece for a Brogdon.

I think you’re trying to do all the odds and ends and not a centerpiece. And Indy would want a centerpiece for Brogdon. A great pick or something.

Kinda what I expected. Though I'm skeptical that the FO would actually offer him, would there be something to talk about if Toppin was the centerpiece?

BTW our pick is currently sitting at #10 and we haven't exactly been racking up the wins as our schedule just gets harder & harder. So depending on what you meant by a great pick, our 2022 FRP might yet get low enough to fit that bill

[Scoot McGroot]

Gotcha. So Reddish should be more interesting to your FO than Grimes since Grimes is more of a 2/3 than a 3/4, and Grimes should be more interesting than Quickley since IQ is just a guard?

Would Reddish (or Grimes) + our FRP this year* + whichever of our FRPs is highest next year, be in the right area? Or are they just not interesting enough wing prospects to be the centerpieces of a Brogdon trade this summer? We have the draft capital to sweeten the pot if one of them is intriguing enough, but if we're talking Toppin++...nevermind Barrett...then we're probably going to be priced out.


*assuming that the lotto gods don't hook us up

I don’t know that Reddish would hold much value. We tried to get him, but for a second or two. We weren’t willing to include a first, so I doubt he’d be a centerpiece for a Brogdon.

I think you’re trying to do all the odds and ends and not a centerpiece. And Indy would want a centerpiece for Brogdon. A great pick or something.

Kinda what I expected. Though I'm skeptical that the FO would actually offer him, would there be something to talk about if Toppin was the centerpiece?

BTW our pick is currently sitting at #10 and we haven't exactly been racking up the wins as our schedule just gets harder & harder. So depending on what you meant by a great pick, our 2022 FRP might yet get low enough to fit that bill

Oh, that’s what I mean. I don’t know that Toppin would be too intriguing? Between Jackson as our pogo stick type big, and what the draft is likely to bring us with our pick, we probably will have a couple young PF’s to go with Brissett.

[Scoot McGroot]

Why does Brogdon have to go? I like Hali+Brogs.

Why is Brodgon definitely gone? Explain to someone who doesn't follow Indy that closely.

It seems like a Hali/Brodgon backcourt would be very effective. Hield can be a bench guy and probably isn't a key long-term guy for Indy (more needed to match money in the trade). Duarte looks like a credible rotation guy but more a backup who can start in case of injury than a solid starter (and as a 24 yo rookie I'm not expecting that much improvement).

I don't see Indy looking for a deep reset. Hali/Brodgon/Turner is a good start. Just need to fill out the forwards. Probably draft one, use cap space for a 2nd and hope Warren comes back healthy for a 3rd.

Because Duarte is a dude, and definitely needs to be starting at the 2 spot. He's starter every day quality already. Then, use Brogdon to help get those forwards, maybe you draft one, and then you've got your lineup running. But mostly, Brogdon wants to be the PG. And Hali should be the PG long-term. Add in McConnell, Buddy, and even Duane Washington Jr. off the bench, and there's a ton of guards that should get some minutes.

I guess from a distance Duarte looks more like just a guy then a dude. Nice for a rookie, but currently well below what you'd want from a starter. At 24, not likely to have the sort of improvement that a 20 yo rookie would have to develop into a solid starter. IMO if Brodgon gets traded then the Pacers are down to one starting quality guard (and then several solid backup quality guards).

He’s definitely not just a guy. And he’s only been playing basketball for a relatively few years, so he’s still growing his game a ton. But he’s definitely someone we’re planning around as a key player. Heck, he just made the Rising Stars challenge, so he’s at least not yet just a guy.

[cgf]

I don’t know that Reddish would hold much value. We tried to get him, but for a second or two. We weren’t willing to include a first, so I doubt he’d be a centerpiece for a Brogdon.

I think you’re trying to do all the odds and ends and not a centerpiece. And Indy would want a centerpiece for Brogdon. A great pick or something.

Kinda what I expected. Though I'm skeptical that the FO would actually offer him, would there be something to talk about if Toppin was the centerpiece?

BTW our pick is currently sitting at #10 and we haven't exactly been racking up the wins as our schedule just gets harder & harder. So depending on what you meant by a great pick, our 2022 FRP might yet get low enough to fit that bill

Oh, that’s what I mean. I don’t know that Toppin would be too intriguing? Between Jackson as our pogo stick type big, and what the draft is likely to bring us with our pick, we probably will have a couple young PF’s to go with Brissett.

Fair enough, if it's 3s that you want, we really don't have any that aren't tweeners other than Barrett & Reddish. So if Cam doesn't do it for your FO, we can't really help you on that front.

But if our FRP is interesting enough to be the centerpiece without intervention from the lotto-gods, then this Knicks fan would certainly be interested in hammering out the surrounding pieces once we find out how much higher our pick gets.

[Scoot McGroot]

Kinda what I expected. Though I'm skeptical that the FO would actually offer him, would there be something to talk about if Toppin was the centerpiece?

BTW our pick is currently sitting at #10 and we haven't exactly been racking up the wins as our schedule just gets harder & harder. So depending on what you meant by a great pick, our 2022 FRP might yet get low enough to fit that bill

Oh, that’s what I mean. I don’t know that Toppin would be too intriguing? Between Jackson as our pogo stick type big, and what the draft is likely to bring us with our pick, we probably will have a couple young PF’s to go with Brissett.

Fair enough, if it's 3s that you want, we really don't have any that aren't tweeners other than Barrett & Reddish. So if Cam doesn't do it for your FO, we can't really help you on that front.

But if our FRP is interesting enough to be the centerpiece without intervention from the lotto-gods, then this Knicks fan would certainly be interested in hammering out the surrounding pieces once we find out how much higher our pick gets.

Yeah, if that’s a top 10 pick, I’m sure you could get in the convoy. It’d be hard making a match fit, but if we also move a Buddy, then maybe there’s a better chance, too. Grimes and Quick are intriguing players, and it would only be fit that would possibly exclude them. But they’re not fits right now.

[buckboy]

I can't imagine giving up a top 10 pick for Brogdon. He's always hurt. I was happy with the 1st and 2 2nds Milwaukee got when he left.

Not a guy you can count on at all.

[cgf]

I can't imagine giving up a top 10 pick for Brogdon. He's always hurt. I was happy with the 1st and 2 2nds Milwaukee got when he left.

Not a guy you can count on at all.

The durability is certainly concerning. Has he just been unlucky, or is he fragile/does he have something chronic?

[buckboy]

I can't imagine giving up a top 10 pick for Brogdon. He's always hurt. I was happy with the 1st and 2 2nds Milwaukee got when he left.

Not a guy you can count on at all.

The durability is certainly concerning. Has he just been unlucky, or is he fragile/does he have something chronic?

I can't really say the last 2 years with any authority, but it was always a bunch of little things in Milwaukee.

I was happy they let him go and ecstatic they got 3 picks for him.

[Mrakar]

Last offseason i would gave up much more for Brogdon, but after one more season with injuries i wouldn't pull the trigger so easy.
Graham, Hayes, Kira Jr + Bucks or Lakers lottery protected pick is max i would offer. He just can't stay on the court long enough to have better value.

[DroseReturnChi]

brogdon and 3frps for simmons.

[ThatBoyNick]

I like Dallas but don't know what they have to offer.

Brunson to team X for protected 1st

Team X 1st, 2 Dal 1st + Hardaway for Brogdon?

[Godaddycurse]

I like Dallas but don't know what they have to offer.

Brunson to team X for protected 1st

Team X 1st, 2 Dal 1st + Hardaway for Brogdon?

Brunson is a UFA in offseason. I imagine team like detroit would just sign him outright

[ThatBoyNick]

I like Dallas but don't know what they have to offer.

Brunson to team X for protected 1st

Team X 1st, 2 Dal 1st + Hardaway for Brogdon?

Brunson is a UFA in offseason. I imagine team like detroit would just sign him outright

Well then it wouldn’t make sense for a team like Pistons to trade for him then? Lol

A team interested in trading for Brunson would likely be a team who doesn’t have the cap space and wants him to compete this year. Example - Celtics

So an example proposal

Brunson, future Mavs 2nd to Celtics for Schroder/C’s 22 lotto protected 1st

Hardaway, BOS 22 1st, Mavs 2025 & 2027 top 10 protected 1st to Pacers

Brogdon, Schroder to Mavs

Would the Mavs do it? The Pacers? Idk but seems idk but seems interesting to me

[GatorbaitDD]

I think the Pacers keep him. Haliburton, Brogdon, Duarte & Hield is a pretty nice guard rotation. Primarily need a 3/4 if he does get traded. Think Hield is more likely to go attached to an asset or two.

[durantbird]

Beasley + McDaniels?

[Apz]

I like Dallas but don't know what they have to offer.

Brunson to team X for protected 1st

Team X 1st, 2 Dal 1st + Hardaway for Brogdon?

Brunson is a UFA in offseason. I imagine team like detroit would just sign him outright

Well then it wouldn’t make sense for a team like Pistons to trade for him then? Lol

A team interested in trading for Brunson would likely be a team who doesn’t have the cap space and wants him to compete this year. Example - Celtics

So an example proposal

Brunson, future Mavs 2nd to Celtics for Schroder/C’s 22 lotto protected 1st

Hardaway, BOS 22 1st, Mavs 2025 & 2027 top 10 protected 1st to Pacers

Brogdon, Schroder to Mavs

Would the Mavs do it? The Pacers? Idk but seems idk but seems interesting to me

Definetly not. Brogdon way to injuryprone for 3 1sts. Mavs have no intrest in schröder. If good unjuryprone players had this kind of value, feel free to give mavs 3 1sts for KP.

[durantbird]

Any realistic way to bring him to Denver? Maybe something around Hyland?

[hugepatsfan]

Horford/Langford/Nesmith/our ‘22 1st for Brogdon and Hield would be my offer.

BOS runs with a rotation of:

Smart
Brogdon / Hield
Brown / Richardson
Tatum / G Williams
R Williams / TPE or MLE acquisition

Only run a 9 man rotation because assuming they’d stagger the time Smart and Brogdon sit, plus they’re apparently happy to give J-Rich on ball duties like he has in Miami if they trade Schroder.

Expiring salary and a pick seems to be the offers for Brogdon. This adds in a Hield salary dump. Nesmith and Langford are just salary filler for the most part but maybe some developmental potential there.

[durantbird]

Horford/Langford/Nesmith/our ‘22 1st for Brogdon and Hield would be my offer.

BOS runs with a rotation of:

Smart
Brogdon / Hield
Brown / Richardson
Tatum / G Williams
R Williams / TPE or MLE acquisition

Only run a 9 man rotation because assuming they’d stagger the time Smart and Brogdon sit, plus they’re apparently happy to give J-Rich on ball duties like he has in Miami if they trade Schroder.

Expiring salary and a pick seems to be the offers for Brogdon. This adds in a Hield salary dump. Nesmith and Langford are just salary filler for the most part but maybe some developmental potential there.

There's also Pritchard. Or you don't really count on him and he's available?