Davis Bertans for any trash you have, literally any.....

[Bentley1225]

He's likely not dealable until at least the 2023 offseason whereby he's got $22 million guaranteed left on his deal and he needs a full season in 2022-23 to show he can somewhat rebound from a piss-poor last 2 seasons.

[Rockazoids]

Buddy, Fournier, Fultz, McBuckets are the players that I think are close ish to Bertans, but he would have to bounce back if the Mavs wanted something straight up. But NBA fans/teams are fickle. If he has a good shooting playoff run someone will trade for him.

Fixed it for you, he shouldn't be on that list. Fournier is shooting 39.7 % from deep. Yes he is a bad defender but he will give
you 1 steal per game. And Also he has hit 214 three this year so far. He has played 70 out of 72 games this year.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Buddy, Fournier, Fultz, McBuckets are the players that I think are close ish to Bertans, but he would have to bounce back if the Mavs wanted something straight up. But NBA fans/teams are fickle. If he has a good shooting playoff run someone will trade for him.

Fixed it for you, he shouldn't be on that list. Fournier is shooting 39.7 % from deep. Yes he is a bad defender but he will give
you 1 steal per game. And Also he has hit 214 three this year so far. He has played 70 out of 72 games this year.

Emphasizing for you. If Bertans returns to shooting closer to 40% from 3, it becomes more viable.

[Maverick41]

He's untradeable as of now without giving the Mavs giving extra compensation. Mavs have few assets as is and I'd rather not use them to offload a contract. Best thing to do imo is just hope he can regain some of his prior form back or trade him in a few years when he is expiring.

[Rockazoids]

Buddy, Fournier, Fultz, McBuckets are the players that I think are close ish to Bertans, but he would have to bounce back if the Mavs wanted something straight up. But NBA fans/teams are fickle. If he has a good shooting playoff run someone will trade for him.

Fixed it for you, he shouldn't be on that list. Fournier is shooting 39.7 % from deep. Yes he is a bad defender but he will give
you 1 steal per game. And Also he has hit 214 three this year so far. He has played 70 out of 72 games this year.

Emphasizing for you. If Bertans returns to shooting closer to 40% from 3, it becomes more viable.

He's been shooting like crap for 2 yrs now. For 4 yrs in a roll his 3P % have went down. It looks like a pattern.

[Texas Chuck]

Fixed it for you, he shouldn't be on that list. Fournier is shooting 39.7 % from deep. Yes he is a bad defender but he will give
you 1 steal per game. And Also he has hit 214 three this year so far. He has played 70 out of 72 games this year.

Emphasizing for you. If Bertans returns to shooting closer to 40% from 3, it becomes more viable.

He's been shooting like crap for 2 yrs now. For 4 yrs in a roll his 3P % have went down. It looks like a pattern.

And he shot 40% from 3 last year so shooting like crap feels wrong. Somehow for Fournier shooting that percentage is good, but for Bertans its bad. Funny how the name on the front of the uniform determines if a percentage is deemed good or bad....

And going from .429 to .425 being listed as a decline so you can claim a 4 year pattern....

seems like some dishonest "evaluation" going on here.

The reality is he has shot horribly this year. Period. Before that, he's been one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league, not only percentage wise but one of the quickest releases in the league added to his size means its hard to deny him looks the way you can to smaller specialists.

[Rockazoids]

Emphasizing for you. If Bertans returns to shooting closer to 40% from 3, it becomes more viable.

He's been shooting like crap for 2 yrs now. For 4 yrs in a roll his 3P % have went down. It looks like a pattern.

And he shot 40% from 3 last year so shooting like crap feels wrong. Somehow for Fournier shooting that percentage is good, but for Bertans its bad. Funny how the name on the front of the uniform determines if a percentage is deemed good or bad....

And going from .429 to .425 being listed as a decline so you can claim a 4 year pattern....

seems like some dishonest "evaluation" going on here.

The reality is he has shot horribly this year. Period. Before that, he's been one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league, not only percentage wise but one of the quickest releases in the league added to his size means its hard to deny him looks the way you can to smaller specialists.

No it's just the percentages. Has he shot the 3 better since he got paid in Nov. 2020?

[Texas Chuck]

He's been shooting like crap for 2 yrs now. For 4 yrs in a roll his 3P % have went down. It looks like a pattern.

And he shot 40% from 3 last year so shooting like crap feels wrong. Somehow for Fournier shooting that percentage is good, but for Bertans its bad. Funny how the name on the front of the uniform determines if a percentage is deemed good or bad....

And going from .429 to .425 being listed as a decline so you can claim a 4 year pattern....

seems like some dishonest "evaluation" going on here.

The reality is he has shot horribly this year. Period. Before that, he's been one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league, not only percentage wise but one of the quickest releases in the league added to his size means its hard to deny him looks the way you can to smaller specialists.

No it's just the percentages. Has he shot the 3 better since he got paid in Nov. 2020?

I love the sidestepping of where you intentionally tried to mislead us by saying he shot like crap for 2 years and was on a 4 year decline and when held accountable you move the goalposts.

Carry on without me. If you don't want the words you post to mean anything, always your right, but I'm going to disengage from posters who choose that approach.

[zimpy27]

It's hard to imagine where his niche will be. I think he would need an elite C defender next to him.

So I suggest Utah trade Bojan for him. Now Utah are going to need more value but that's the basis of a trade I'd look at.

[Rockazoids]

And he shot 40% from 3 last year so shooting like crap feels wrong. Somehow for Fournier shooting that percentage is good, but for Bertans its bad. Funny how the name on the front of the uniform determines if a percentage is deemed good or bad....

And going from .429 to .425 being listed as a decline so you can claim a 4 year pattern....

seems like some dishonest "evaluation" going on here.

The reality is he has shot horribly this year. Period. Before that, he's been one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league, not only percentage wise but one of the quickest releases in the league added to his size means its hard to deny him looks the way you can to smaller specialists.

No it's just the percentages. Has he shot the 3 better since he got paid in Nov. 2020?

I love the sidestepping of where you intentionally tried to mislead us by saying he shot like crap for 2 years and was on a 4 year decline and when held accountable you move the goalposts.

Carry on without me. If you don't want the words you post to mean anything, always your right, but I'm going to disengage from posters who choose that approach.

That's fine.
I did mistakenly separate his time in WSH & DAL to 2 separate years, but the percentage has went down every year.
2018/19 - 42.9 % WSH
2019/20 - 42.4 % WSH
2020/21 - 39.5 % WSH
2021/22 - 31.9 % WSH
2021/22 - 28.8 % DAL

[MoneyTalks41890]

No it's just the percentages. Has he shot the 3 better since he got paid in Nov. 2020?

I love the sidestepping of where you intentionally tried to mislead us by saying he shot like crap for 2 years and was on a 4 year decline and when held accountable you move the goalposts.

Carry on without me. If you don't want the words you post to mean anything, always your right, but I'm going to disengage from posters who choose that approach.

That's fine.
I did mistakenly separate his time in WSH & DAL to 2 separate years, but the percentage has went down every year.
2018/19 - 42.9 % WSH
2019/20 - 42.4 % WSH
2020/21 - 39.5 % WSH
2021/22 - 31.9 % WSH
2021/22 - 28.8 % DAL

So elite shooting until this year

[NYG]

But NBA fans/teams are fickle. If he has a good shooting playoff run someone will trade for him.

I almost want to make this my sig. This is absolutely true. Trade value is constantly evolving and changes month to month. What a lot of guys are now, they won't be in 3 months.

[Topofthekey]

No reason for Mavericks to dump him. They should just keep him

[Maverick41]

It's hard to imagine where his niche will be. I think he would need an elite C defender next to him.

So I suggest Utah trade Bojan for him. Now Utah are going to need more value but that's the basis of a trade I'd look at.

I'd do Bertans + FRP22 for Bojan if Utah were willing. I assume Josh Green would need to be added too to give Utah a young athletic wing.

[LAL1947]

It's hard to imagine where his niche will be. I think he would need an elite C defender next to him.

So I suggest Utah trade Bojan for him. Now Utah are going to need more value but that's the basis of a trade I'd look at.

I'd do Bertans + FRP22 for Bojan if Utah were willing. I assume Josh Green would need to be added too to give Utah a young athletic wing.

I don't understand why you would give up so much for Bojan. Most bad teams usually go 1 step forward, 2 steps backward in a bad trade chain. Does Dallas prefer 1 step forward, 4 steps backward more?

Step 1: Make a trade (Porzingis) too early instead of tanking for a bit and building a core through the draft.

Step 2: Get into a bad deal midway through a season (giving up Porzingis and SRP for Dinwiddie and Bertans).

Step 3: Giving up a 1st to get off Bertans' contract for an older player (Bojan), who is a good player but whose defensive limitations cannot be covered by a 3-time DPOY... onto a team with 0 DPOYs and where Brunson is already being hidden instead of Luka... and giving up Josh Green too, a decent asset.

Step 4: Which will most likely lead to needing to give up yet another FRP (or pay again in another way) to get an older Bojan off the books after realizing he can't help the team... and not getting any young talent with that 2022 FRP either.

[JRoy]

I love the sidestepping of where you intentionally tried to mislead us by saying he shot like crap for 2 years and was on a 4 year decline and when held accountable you move the goalposts.

Carry on without me. If you don't want the words you post to mean anything, always your right, but I'm going to disengage from posters who choose that approach.

That's fine.
I did mistakenly separate his time in WSH & DAL to 2 separate years, but the percentage has went down every year.
2018/19 - 42.9 % WSH
2019/20 - 42.4 % WSH
2020/21 - 39.5 % WSH
2021/22 - 31.9 % WSH
2021/22 - 28.8 % DAL

So elite shooting until this year

31.9% is not elite from anywhere

[giberish]

That's fine.
I did mistakenly separate his time in WSH & DAL to 2 separate years, but the percentage has went down every year.
2018/19 - 42.9 % WSH
2019/20 - 42.4 % WSH
2020/21 - 39.5 % WSH
2021/22 - 31.9 % WSH
2021/22 - 28.8 % DAL

So elite shooting until this year

31.9% is not elite from anywhere

39.5% from 3 is though - at least with high volume/quick release that requires a lot of defensive attention (if you're only taking the wide open ones where the defense ignores you then 39.5% isn't that impressive).

Until this year that's his lowest 3pt%.

[Maverick41]

It's hard to imagine where his niche will be. I think he would need an elite C defender next to him.

So I suggest Utah trade Bojan for him. Now Utah are going to need more value but that's the basis of a trade I'd look at.

I'd do Bertans + FRP22 for Bojan if Utah were willing. I assume Josh Green would need to be added too to give Utah a young athletic wing.

I don't understand why you would give up so much for Bojan. Most bad teams go 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards in a trade chain. Does Dallas like 1 step forward, 4 steps backward more?

Step 1: Make a trade (Porzingis) too early instead of tanking for a bit and building a core through the draft.

Step 2: Get into a bad deal midway through a season (giving up Porzingis and SRP for Dinwiddie and Bertans).

Step 3: Giving up a 1st to get off Bertans' contract for an older player (Bojan), who is a good player but whose defensive limitations cannot be covered by a 3-time DPOY... onto a team with 0 DPOYs and where Brunson is already being hidden instead of Luka... and giving up Josh Green too, a decent asset.

Step 4: Which will most likely lead to needing to give up yet another FRP (or pay again in another way) to get an older Bojan off the books after realizing he can't help the team... and not getting any young talent with that 2022 FRP either.

Bojan is an expiring contract by then and the best player in the deal. Yes I don't want to give up a FRP or Josh either but I'm trying to be realistic here.

Even if Bojan doesn't work out, his expiring along with our boatload of other expirings adds a lot of flexibility to the roster that I'd rather have.

[Ruzious]

I'm surprised Bertans made 39.5% of his 3's last season, because actually watching him play... he was an awful player last season - painful to watch for the most part.

[patman66]

I have to be candid.

I have Bertrans as literally the worst player on a decent money or better contract in the league. I've always had him as a sub MLE guy who had a couple of hot shooting months and then did everything he could to do to cash in on it (like even he knew that this was his absolute peak earning value).

I also didn't like him sitting out the bubble in order to keep his FA value high as the time as well (IMHO).

I don't see any deal with any team that involves him and I was beyond shocked when Dallas actually dealt for him.

Your candidness is just absolute truth. The guy is an utter bum who gave it his all when due for a big deal, and has not done a thing since. I think its fair to assume Dallas could have done the Porzingis-Dinwiddie swap without Bertans, so the question is, why the heck did they get him?

I am pretty sure the wiz would have balked about bertrans not being included. KUZMA was playing well, and rui only made a couple of mill.