Siakam to Dallas

[Godaddycurse]

I want Siakam for what it's worth, just don't like the phrasing that NY is playing a small part doing favors. You have to give to get in and business, and NY is just getting here

i mean NY should be fully content not doing this trade, no? Unprotected this year really doesnt do much for them as its very, very, very unlikely for the pick to be in the top 10. They gain not much out of it while the Mavs are gaining Siakam with their help, as they cant do it without them.

If the Knicks dont need to do this, then ya, they need to be compensated for it.

Dalls don't need Knicks to unprotect the pick though. Just phrase the picks as convey 2 yrs after NYK one. Dallas is not picking in top 10 anyways this year/it's going to convey. NYK are getting way too much value for Reddish here

[mademan]

I want Siakam for what it's worth, just don't like the phrasing that NY is playing a small part doing favors. You have to give to get in and business, and NY is just getting here

i mean NY should be fully content not doing this trade, no? Unprotected this year really doesnt do much for them as its very, very, very unlikely for the pick to be in the top 10. They gain not much out of it while the Mavs are gaining Siakam with their help, as they cant do it without them.

If the Knicks dont need to do this, then ya, they need to be compensated for it.

Dalls don't need Knicks to unprotect the pick though. Just phrase the picks as convey 2 yrs after NYK one. Dallas is not picking in top 10 anyways this year/it's going to convey. NYK are getting way too much value for Reddish here

Pretty sure that limits the amount of picks Dallas can send out ultimately due to the 7 year rule

[daoneandonly]

I want Siakam for what it's worth, just don't like the phrasing that NY is playing a small part doing favors. You have to give to get in and business, and NY is just getting here

i mean NY should be fully content not doing this trade, no? Unprotected this year really doesnt do much for them as its very, very, very unlikely for the pick to be in the top 10. They gain not much out of it while the Mavs are gaining Siakam with their help, as they cant do it without them.

If the Knicks dont need to do this, then ya, they need to be compensated for it.

Dalls don't need Knicks to unprotect the pick though. Just phrase the picks as convey 2 yrs after NYK one. Dallas is not picking in top 10 anyways this year/it's going to convey. NYK are getting way too much value for Reddish here

Godaddy has a habit of phrasing things better . What he said

[Godaddycurse]

i mean NY should be fully content not doing this trade, no? Unprotected this year really doesnt do much for them as its very, very, very unlikely for the pick to be in the top 10. They gain not much out of it while the Mavs are gaining Siakam with their help, as they cant do it without them.

If the Knicks dont need to do this, then ya, they need to be compensated for it.

Dalls don't need Knicks to unprotect the pick though. Just phrase the picks as convey 2 yrs after NYK one. Dallas is not picking in top 10 anyways this year/it's going to convey. NYK are getting way too much value for Reddish here

Pretty sure that limits the amount of picks Dallas can send out ultimately due to the 7 year rule

No it does not, it just means 2029 cant be deferred if 2023 is deferred and we potentially lose a pick, but that risk is negligible. Denver has been doing this with the picks they've traded

[jayjaysee]

It would be fun to trade for pascal and then tank with Luka and pascal sitting out. Trade a 2029 unprotected first for the 8th pick this year. Sounds good for Dallas. 29% chance of working out great.

Obviously not happening and I agree with Godaddy.

[shangrila]

It's a fair deal in line with other recent rebuild/all-in deals.

I will say it makes far more sense as an offseason deal. Toronto will have seen whether its worth continuing with their core, Dallas presumably will have conveyed their pick to the Knicks. So the picks can be '24, '26 and '28 with alternating swaps.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Gotta be honest the 2 year stuff with the 7 year rule has always confused me greatly. But obviously that would work, if that works.

[mademan]

Dalls don't need Knicks to unprotect the pick though. Just phrase the picks as convey 2 yrs after NYK one. Dallas is not picking in top 10 anyways this year/it's going to convey. NYK are getting way too much value for Reddish here

Pretty sure that limits the amount of picks Dallas can send out ultimately due to the 7 year rule

No it does not, it just means 2029 cant be deferred if 2023 is deferred and we potentially lose a pick, but that risk is negligible. Denver has been doing this with the picks they've traded

Risk is not negligible. Dallas at this point is what, 3 games out of a top 10 pick? The Suns went from fighting for the best team in the league to looking at a top 10 pick in like a month and half because of injuries. It can quickly turn around on the Mavs too. Raps could 100% lose out on a pick, which is kind of a big deal when this trade is basically only picks.

[Godaddycurse]

It's a fair deal in line with other recent rebuild/all-in deals.

I will say it makes far more sense as an offseason deal. Toronto will have seen whether its worth continuing with their core, Dallas presumably will have conveyed their pick to the Knicks. So the picks can be '24, '26 and '28 with alternating swaps.

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

[Tripod]

Raps would get a better offer elsewhere

[shangrila]

It's a fair deal in line with other recent rebuild/all-in deals.

I will say it makes far more sense as an offseason deal. Toronto will have seen whether its worth continuing with their core, Dallas presumably will have conveyed their pick to the Knicks. So the picks can be '24, '26 and '28 with alternating swaps.

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

So what's the difference in value, in your mind, between 1.5 seasons of Siakam and 1 season of him?

[Apz]

It's a fair deal in line with other recent rebuild/all-in deals.

I will say it makes far more sense as an offseason deal. Toronto will have seen whether its worth continuing with their core, Dallas presumably will have conveyed their pick to the Knicks. So the picks can be '24, '26 and '28 with alternating swaps.

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

Ye, but i cant see mavs give out packages like this without the dude being locked up longterm

[shangrila]

It's a fair deal in line with other recent rebuild/all-in deals.

I will say it makes far more sense as an offseason deal. Toronto will have seen whether its worth continuing with their core, Dallas presumably will have conveyed their pick to the Knicks. So the picks can be '24, '26 and '28 with alternating swaps.

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

Ye, but i cant see mavs give out packages like this without the dude being locked up longterm

True. If only there were some way to extend a contract before it expires...

[mademan]

It's a fair deal in line with other recent rebuild/all-in deals.

I will say it makes far more sense as an offseason deal. Toronto will have seen whether its worth continuing with their core, Dallas presumably will have conveyed their pick to the Knicks. So the picks can be '24, '26 and '28 with alternating swaps.

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

So what's the difference in value, in your mind, between 1.5 seasons of Siakam and 1 season of him?

An extra playoff run, especially when you have Luka on your team, is pretty valuable. Dallas can win a title after a trade like this. Should mean a lot to them

[Apz]

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

Ye, but i cant see mavs give out packages like this without the dude being locked up longterm

True. If only there were some way to extend a contract before it expires...

And if he say no? U are in need of trading him before next years tradeline to his destination and probably loses 4 firsts for 1 year of siakam

[shangrila]

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

So what's the difference in value, in your mind, between 1.5 seasons of Siakam and 1 season of him?

An extra playoff run, especially when you have Luka on your team, is pretty valuable. Dallas can win a title after a trade like this. Should mean a lot to them

Can you quantify that?

Since godaddy specifically said Siakam would be less valuable, what does half a season add/subtract? A pick? 2? Green or Hardy?

[shangrila]

Ye, but i cant see mavs give out packages like this without the dude being locked up longterm

True. If only there were some way to extend a contract before it expires...

And if he say no? U are in need of trading him before next years tradeline to his destination and probably loses 4 firsts for 1 year of siakam

I'll be honest, this kind of comment always annoys the hell out of me. And it's not just you so I don't mean to single you out, it pops up way too often on this board.

We all know trades don't happen in some vacuum, that Dallas in this scenario would be forbidden from talking with Siakam prior to him officially being a member of their team. So obviously, when I'm talking about an extension, it's with the caveat that they've discussed it with Siakam prior to the deal and they've agreed on a number.

I do not, as little respect as I have for the current Mavs FO, believe that even they would be stupid enough to blindly make a deal with just an assumption that they could get an extension done.

[Godaddycurse]

So what's the difference in value, in your mind, between 1.5 seasons of Siakam and 1 season of him?

An extra playoff run, especially when you have Luka on your team, is pretty valuable. Dallas can win a title after a trade like this. Should mean a lot to them

Can you quantify that?

Since godaddy specifically said Siakam would be less valuable, what does half a season add/subtract? A pick? 2? Green or Hardy?

Does it matter? If we are planning to rebuild/trade him we'd do it this deadline instead of offseason

[shangrila]

An extra playoff run, especially when you have Luka on your team, is pretty valuable. Dallas can win a title after a trade like this. Should mean a lot to them

Can you quantify that?

Since godaddy specifically said Siakam would be less valuable, what does half a season add/subtract? A pick? 2? Green or Hardy?

Does it matter? If we are planning to rebuild/trade him we'd do it this deadline instead of offseason

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

You brought it up. Why are you dodging the question?

[CanadianBacon15]

Raps would get a better offer elsewhere

Dallas has one of the worst rosters in the league outside of Luka. They would be the last team in the league the Raptors would trade Siakam to. He would be perfect to pair with Luka but the only way Dallas could get him would be in a 3 team trade with a team with actually good prospects/players.