Dallas - Orlando -- OP HAS BEEN EDITED

[JT3000]

This is not close to a good offer, you have to know that. Luka is worth way more than Banchero. Like way, way more.

And if your justification is Luka will ask out in 2 years, okay. Dallas will get 2 MVP level years out of him which is worth more than this package. Plus then get a huge haul that is better than this.

Silly to propose Luka trades when you know he won't get traded, but at least put a serious offer on the table. This is not one.

While I give you full marks for your creative way of calling me a homer, a couple things:

1. Zero chance not wanting to trade Luka for Banchero makes me a homer.
2. If you call any other poster a homer, then I would have to take action as a mod. Don't call people homers. It's lame.

If you think I'm wrong, tell me why and let's debate. It's what the forum is for, but just pics, and calling people homers --not what the board is for.

Thanks

Chuck

Did you actually read what you were being offered, and under what circumstances? Not only are they offering a rookie with very obvious superstar potential himself, which is nothing to scoff at given the theoretical situation being posed, you're also getting TWO lottery picks this year. What if Orlando's pick hits the jackpot? That combo alone could be worth far more than any theoretically disgruntled player, I don't care how good they are. History shows you don't get fair value under those circumstances. Ever. And if both of those players actually reach their full potential? The Magic straight up lose this trade, no questions asked. One really good player won't get you anywhere in a team sport, something Dallas fans should already know.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Let's put this in to some better context to show why I think its insulting at absolute best:

Right now that would be picks 5 and 8. The protections on the Chicago pick prevent it from being top 4.
Orlando with Luka is only going to move up in the standings and good chance of making the playoffs. So the picks will not get better from where they sit today.

So this deal is

Banchero, not Wemby, not Scoot, not at minimum the next best 2 prospects, but probably more prospects off the table., then another prospect worse than the first.

Nobody is trading Luka for Banchero and any 2 players in this draft not named Wemby or Scoot. I wouldn't trade Luka for Banchero/Scoot even.

Luka is in year 1 of a 5 year deal and is an MVP level player. I'm stunned you think this offer is close actually.

[Godaddycurse]

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Let's put this in to some better context to show why I think its insulting at absolute best:

Right now that would be picks 5 and 8. The protections on the Chicago pick prevent it from being top 4.
Orlando with Luka is only going to move up in the standings and good chance of making the playoffs. So the picks will not get better from where they sit today.

So this deal is

Banchero, not Wemby, not Scoot, not at minimum the next best 2 prospects, but probably more prospects off the table., then another prospect worse than the first.

Nobody is trading Luka for Banchero and any 2 players in this draft not named Wemby or Scoot. I wouldn't trade Luka for Banchero/Scoot even.

Luka is in year 1 of a 5 year deal and is an MVP level player. I'm stunned you think this offer is close actually.

missing like 3 additional picks and 3 swaps to make it a competitive offer. OKC instantly outbids that paolo/23 ORL 1st/23 CHI 1st with ease

[Jadoogar]

It's just an unrealistic scenario. Luka is as close to untouchable as someone can be. Only way Luka gets moved is if he demands a trade AND is in the final year of his contract. There is no amount of draft picks you could give me to trade Luka because not a single draft pick likely to become as good as him.

[Mavrelous]

Oh and OP--when you go back and edit the OP after people post a response to your original deal--you have to make that clear. This is really poor form. Because others read responses to a totally different deal than what shows now.

The original offer was Banchero/salary filler and the 23 ORL/CHI 1sts btw, so you can get the context of the responses itt. The 25 1sts don't save how weak this offer is, but they were not there originally.

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Luka is a 24 y/o ROY + 3 times 1st team all NBA and responsible for taking very mediocre roster to the PO twice, one of them single handidly taking the best team in the west to 7 games while leading later in 3rd of game 7, and taking a good roster to the WCF, ousting the best RS team while having historic perfmance, he's also the 1st player to reach top all time PPG in the PO in almost 20 years (lasted ~3 days and was MJ was back leading).
ORL with Luka, Wagner, Suggs, WCJ and Isaac is 50+ wins baring multiple injuries.
You think Paolo + 4 picks 3 of them are outside of top 10 almost assuredly is a good offer? I find that absurd.

[Texas Chuck]

Did you actually read what you were being offered, and under what circumstances? Not only are they offering a rookie with very obvious superstar potential himself, which is nothing to scoff at given the theoretical situation being posed, you're also getting TWO lottery picks this year. What if Orlando's pick hits the jackpot? That combo alone could be worth far more than any theoretically disgruntled player, I don't care how good they are. History shows you don't get fair value under those circumstances. Ever. And if both of those players actually reach their full potential? The Magic straight up lose this trade, no questions asked. One really good player won't get you anywhere in a team sport, something Dallas fans should already know.

See how much more of a contribution this is than posting a homer pic?

I disagree, but respect your right to think Banchero projects to being a superstar approaching Luka's value and valuing non-premium lottery picks much higher than I do.

[AaronB]

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Let's put this in to some better context to show why I think its insulting at absolute best:

Right now that would be picks 5 and 8. The protections on the Chicago pick prevent it from being top 4.
Orlando with Luka is only going to move up in the standings and good chance of making the playoffs. So the picks will not get better from where they sit today.

So this deal is

Banchero, not Wemby, not Scoot, not at minimum the next best 2 prospects, but probably more prospects off the table., then another prospect worse than the first.

Nobody is trading Luka for Banchero and any 2 players in this draft not named Wemby or Scoot. I wouldn't trade Luka for Banchero/Scoot even.

Luka is in year 1 of a 5 year deal and is an MVP level player. I'm stunned you think this offer is close actually.

We will agree to disagree on Luka’s value. When he wins his first championship, then people can bestow “basketball god” status to him. Until then he is just a tremendous player. Paolo is a tier down from Luka, but at his size and age, has the potential to be much better. A straight up trade, no picks, would not be an insult from my perspective. I can see both sides saying “no”, but to say it is an insult is an emotional over reaction.

[Colbinii]

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Let's put this in to some better context to show why I think its insulting at absolute best:

Right now that would be picks 5 and 8. The protections on the Chicago pick prevent it from being top 4.
Orlando with Luka is only going to move up in the standings and good chance of making the playoffs. So the picks will not get better from where they sit today.

So this deal is

Banchero, not Wemby, not Scoot, not at minimum the next best 2 prospects, but probably more prospects off the table., then another prospect worse than the first.

Nobody is trading Luka for Banchero and any 2 players in this draft not named Wemby or Scoot. I wouldn't trade Luka for Banchero/Scoot even.

Luka is in year 1 of a 5 year deal and is an MVP level player. I'm stunned you think this offer is close actually.

Right, I thought I cleared that up in my post. Banchero/Top 1 or 2 pick in 2023 Draft/Top 10 pick is a good offer. Not many teams would beat that. A good offer doesn't mean Dallas will accept it either [they wouldn't].

[Colbinii]

Oh and OP--when you go back and edit the OP after people post a response to your original deal--you have to make that clear. This is really poor form. Because others read responses to a totally different deal than what shows now.

The original offer was Banchero/salary filler and the 23 ORL/CHI 1sts btw, so you can get the context of the responses itt. The 25 1sts don't save how weak this offer is, but they were not there originally.

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Luka is a 24 y/o ROY + 3 times 1st team all NBA and responsible for taking very mediocre roster to the PO twice, one of them single handidly taking the best team in the west to 7 games while leading later in 3rd of game 7, and taking a good roster to the WCF, ousting the best RS team while having historic perfmance, he's also the 1st player to reach top all time PPG in the PO in almost 20 years (lasted ~3 days and was MJ was back leading).
ORL with Luka, Wagner, Suggs, WCJ and Isaac is 50+ wins baring multiple injuries.
You think Paolo + 4 picks 3 of them are outside of top 10 almost assuredly is a good offer? I find that absurd.

As I expanded on in my post, the main value is Paolo + Top 2 pick in the 2023 draft

My mistake if I wasn't clear about that!

[Texas Chuck]

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Let's put this in to some better context to show why I think its insulting at absolute best:

Right now that would be picks 5 and 8. The protections on the Chicago pick prevent it from being top 4.
Orlando with Luka is only going to move up in the standings and good chance of making the playoffs. So the picks will not get better from where they sit today.

So this deal is

Banchero, not Wemby, not Scoot, not at minimum the next best 2 prospects, but probably more prospects off the table., then another prospect worse than the first.

Nobody is trading Luka for Banchero and any 2 players in this draft not named Wemby or Scoot. I wouldn't trade Luka for Banchero/Scoot even.

Luka is in year 1 of a 5 year deal and is an MVP level player. I'm stunned you think this offer is close actually.

Right, I thought I cleared that up in my post. Banchero/Top 1 or 2 pick in 2023 Draft/Top 10 pick is a good offer. Not many teams would beat that. A good offer doesn't mean Dallas will accept it either [they wouldn't].

I don't know how we were expect to get top 1 or 2 pick from picks where one of them literally can't be better than 5 and the other one is from the team that just added Luka Doncic.

And if Dallas is never going to accept it, how is it a good offer? Dallas would rightfully ask Orlando's FO why they are wasting our time.

And I think if the league knew Luka Doncic was available with 4 years left on his contract, Dallas would get some amazing offers. Shocked you think this would be about the best.

But I know, I'm the homer for thinking Dallas should keep Luka. This thread is bizarro land. Honestly.

[Colbinii]

Let's put this in to some better context to show why I think its insulting at absolute best:

Right now that would be picks 5 and 8. The protections on the Chicago pick prevent it from being top 4.
Orlando with Luka is only going to move up in the standings and good chance of making the playoffs. So the picks will not get better from where they sit today.

So this deal is

Banchero, not Wemby, not Scoot, not at minimum the next best 2 prospects, but probably more prospects off the table., then another prospect worse than the first.

Nobody is trading Luka for Banchero and any 2 players in this draft not named Wemby or Scoot. I wouldn't trade Luka for Banchero/Scoot even.

Luka is in year 1 of a 5 year deal and is an MVP level player. I'm stunned you think this offer is close actually.

Right, I thought I cleared that up in my post. Banchero/Top 1 or 2 pick in 2023 Draft/Top 10 pick is a good offer. Not many teams would beat that. A good offer doesn't mean Dallas will accept it either [they wouldn't].

I don't know how we were expect to get top 1 or 2 pick from picks where one of them literally can't be better than 5 and the other one is from the team that just added Luka Doncic.

And if Dallas is never going to accept it, how is it a good offer? Dallas would rightfully ask Orlando's FO why they are wasting our time.

And I think if the league knew Luka Doncic was available with 4 years left on his contract, Dallas would get some amazing offers. Shocked you think this would be about the best.

But I know, I'm the homer for thinking Dallas should keep Luka. This thread is bizarro land. Honestly.

I just think you are too into your emotions about this thread, because I said this.

This trade, however, makes more sense to Dallas in the off-season, at the draft, if the #1 or #2 pick is landed in Orlando. Orlando can trade Scoot/Wemby + Paolo for Luka, but then Orlando is simply in the same situation Dallas is in.

Obviously Dallas doesn't consider this because the #1 and only way to win a championship is to have a Top Dog in the NBA on your team and Luka is one of the best Top Dogs.

Again, sorry I wasn't clear the first time.

[Skybox]

I think Paolo/2023 ORL 1st/2023 CHI 1st is a very good offer for Luka.

Let's put this in to some better context to show why I think its insulting at absolute best:

Right now that would be picks 5 and 8. The protections on the Chicago pick prevent it from being top 4.
Orlando with Luka is only going to move up in the standings and good chance of making the playoffs. So the picks will not get better from where they sit today.

So this deal is

Banchero, not Wemby, not Scoot, not at minimum the next best 2 prospects, but probably more prospects off the table., then another prospect worse than the first.

Nobody is trading Luka for Banchero and any 2 players in this draft not named Wemby or Scoot. I wouldn't trade Luka for Banchero/Scoot even.

Luka is in year 1 of a 5 year deal and is an MVP level player. I'm stunned you think this offer is close actually.

missing like 3 additional picks and 3 swaps to make it a competitive offer. OKC instantly outbids that paolo/23 ORL 1st/23 CHI 1st with ease

OKC's outbid would have to be SGA and equivalent handful of picks...I wouldn't do that. Luka's a perennial MVP, but SGA isn't far off. I'm a serial under-valuer of picks vs actual players, but if somebody is talking about Wemby/SGA or Wemby/Paolo plus a wad of picks for one basketball God, I don't think it's that unthinkable.

[Texas Chuck]

I just think you are too into your emotions about this thread, because I said this.

This is quite possible.

[Colbinii]

I just think you are too into your emotions about this thread, because I said this.

This is quite possible.

The whole idea of trading Luka is asinine though. Its the same for Giannis and Jokic. Simply untouchable players.

[Vox Populi]

I just think you are too into your emotions about this thread, because I said this.

This is quite possible.

The whole idea of trading Luka is asinine though. Its the same for Giannis and Jokic. Simply untouchable players.

The idea of the Pelicans trading AD was asisine at one point. So the premise of this thread is not whether Dallas should be willing to trade Luka. We know they should not. It is what would be a fair offer if he demands a trade and starts sulking or even putting on more weight to show he is serious.

I have read that Luka is a huge fan of Cristiano Ronaldo. Cristiano was also considered untouchable when he was at Manchester United. He was unhappy with that team and demanded a trade to Real Madrid. Before the move, he was considered a Top 10-20 players of All-Time. After the move, he went to being a Top 2-3 player of All-Time.

Luka is also a fan of Lebron James, who was untouchable in Cleveland.

So there is precedent from two players that he admires from two different sports.

[MoneyTalks41890]

If you want to argue for reopening this thread feel free to PM me.

But Luka isn't getting traded. There's not even any smoke, much less real fire. And this just isn't even close to being close. As the thread has shown I don't see a productive conversation to be had here.