What motivates a trade?

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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#21 » by NYG » Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:00 am

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Devilanche wrote:6. The flexibility can probably extend to roster spot as well. Moving a non rotational player before the trade deadline so you will have an empty spot to sign a buyout vet.


But you could just waive that player. What's the motivation to trade him if not for cap savings?

Trading away his rights ? Doing a solid with the agent?

If he’s waived , he can get a new contract but might not get his rights . Not that it will matter for most.

Afterall , it usually cost them some time to do paperwork and a right to a player that’s not coming over.


I'm having trouble thinking of a real life example of this
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#22 » by basketballwacko2 » Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:19 am

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basketballwacko2 wrote:I would think the motive would be to make your team better or improve your salary cap situation.


Those are 2/7 of the reasons a trade happens.


You really think that poster read your lengthy OP? :lol: :lol:


Nope, didn't read it.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#23 » by NYG » Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:39 pm

Bumping with trade season upcoming.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#24 » by Klomp » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:45 pm

I'm reminded of this trade in the summer of 2019.

The draft rights to Lior Eliyahu and multiple TPEs were acquired by the Golden State Warriors from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for: Treveon Graham, Shabazz Napier and cash.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#25 » by zimpy27 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:04 am

- increase financial flexibility to make moves in offseason
- increase player quality on court now
- increase assets for a future competitive window
- decrease player quality on court now

These are usually the motives of each trade in some combination. Sometimes alone, sometimes in combination.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#26 » by psman2 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:14 am

zimpy27 wrote:- increase financial flexibility to make moves in offseason
- increase player quality on court now
- increase assets for a future competitive window
- decrease player quality on court now

These are usually the motives of each trade in some combination. Sometimes alone, sometimes in combination.


Not tax saving moves?
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#27 » by zimpy27 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:55 am

psman2 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:- increase financial flexibility to make moves in offseason
- increase player quality on court now
- increase assets for a future competitive window
- decrease player quality on court now

These are usually the motives of each trade in some combination. Sometimes alone, sometimes in combination.


Not tax saving moves?


Oh yes, that's a good 5th one. Though usually fairly minimal.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#28 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:11 pm

Who are the sellers going into the deadline? No stars asking out pre-deadline, right?
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#29 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:16 pm

NYG wrote: There's no gray area or "hybrid" approach. The Raptors will keep OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam (unless they request a trade / see above) or trade both. There isn't really any team that hasn't clearly established which they are in terms of trade patterns.


This is interesting from LAST season.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#30 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:19 pm

NYG wrote: I don't I have the Pistons or Magic as competitive, but I have them as joining this group and leave the following group this off-season.

Well, one out of two ain't bad, I guess :D
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#31 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:19 pm

NYG wrote:Who are the sellers going into the deadline? No stars asking out pre-deadline, right?

The Wizards are obviously selling. Not sure anyone is buying though.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#32 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:20 pm

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NYG wrote: I don't I have the Pistons or Magic as competitive, but I have them as joining this group and leave the following group this off-season.

Well, one out of two ain't bad, I guess :D


I still have both as buyers, not sellers
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#33 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:22 pm

NYG wrote:Who are the sellers going into the deadline? No stars asking out pre-deadline, right?


Kyrie still has time. :wink:
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#34 » by cucad8 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:55 pm

NYG wrote:Who are the sellers going into the deadline? No stars asking out pre-deadline, right?

Portland's definitely selling, but likely not dumping. At least not dumping everything. I imagine Brogdon and MAYBE Thybulle are moved. I doubt we see Grant and Anfernee moved at the deadline, though I think Grant could really help out a few teams this season.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#35 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:17 pm

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NYG wrote: I think Grant could really help out a few teams this season.


For sure. I think the issue is Portland will value him based primarily on his talent and buyers will want a discount because of the risk of such a big, long contract. Probably hard to close that gap mid-season especially since Portland has no urgent need to move his money in year 1 post-Dame.

I don't think Ayton is movable, but I'd add to him pieces Portland would sell, and I would say they absolutely would just dump him at this point, right?
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#36 » by cucad8 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:41 pm

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NYG wrote: I think Grant could really help out a few teams this season.


For sure. I think the issue is Portland will value him based primarily on his talent and buyers will want a discount because of the risk of such a big, long contract. Probably hard to close that gap mid-season especially since Portland has no urgent need to move his money in year 1 post-Dame.

I don't think Ayton is movable, but I'd add to him pieces Portland would sell, and I would say they absolutely would just dump him at this point, right?


I think his contract has been overblown, the initial sticker shock, and will continue to look tolerable as more guys start signing for 30-50 million a year, and it becomes the new normal.
But I'm sure at least here, fans will look for a discount because of it, and pdx fans will want value for him. And the team values what he provides, so I don't see him moving.
I didn't include Ayton because I figure he's a negative, and don't want to go down the path of people expecting assets attached, because portland wouldn't do that. If they got expirings somehow for him, I think they'd dump him, but in deals like that previously discussed DLo deal, I don't think at this deadline that they would, personally.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#37 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:47 pm

I have sellers as...

Hawks
Hornets
Bulls
Trail Blazers
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Raptors
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#38 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:09 pm

What are some trades where 2 buyers trade veterans in an area of depth for an equally valued veteran in an area of need? Who are some good players that buyers would include in a deal?
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#39 » by bkohler » Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:15 pm

I think one reason missing from the OP was dealing with chemistry issues. Sometimes players just don’t like each other, the coach, the city, etc.
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Re: What motivates a trade? 

Post#40 » by NYG » Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:20 pm

bkohler wrote:I think one reason missing from the OP was dealing with chemistry issues. Sometimes players just don’t like each other, the coach, the city, etc.


I can't think of an example of a real life trade like this that doesn't fit any of the OP reasons.

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