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Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Wed May 1, 2024 3:43 pm
by lordjeff05
Yeah just to reiterate points already made here, CJ is one of the best shooters in the league and he’s demonstrated he can be on a good team defense.
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Wed May 1, 2024 5:31 pm
by Skybox
Upon further reflection, I'd love to get CJ...not my first choice due to age, contract, defensive issues...but I'm a fan and he's an amazing fit in ORL...in this OP, it's a lot of incoming salary for ORL, but good value nonetheless.
CJ next to Suggs is a nasty backcourt...and beautifully complementary to Paolo & Franz up front. I also like WCJ's versatility in ATL, running PnR with Trae. I honestly think WCJ, who is still very young, has a lot more in his bag than he'll get to show in ORL's frontcourt. IF ORL has enough cap space left, adding Claxton or Hartenstein would be phenomenal.
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Wed May 1, 2024 8:29 pm
by LightTheBeam
Skybox wrote:Upon further reflection, I'd love to get CJ...not my first choice due to age, contract, defensive issues...but I'm a fan and he's an amazing fit in ORL...in this OP, it's a lot of incoming salary for ORL, but good value nonetheless.
CJ next to Suggs is a nasty backcourt...and beautifully complementary to Paolo & Franz up front. I also like WCJ's versatility in ATL, running PnR with Trae. I honestly think WCJ, who is still very young, has a lot more in his bag than he'll get to show in ORL's frontcourt. IF ORL has enough cap space left, adding Claxton or Hartenstein would be phenomenal.
I think the versatility of that new Orlando roster is something else (assuming they could sign one of those centers)
they win yesterday with CJ imo
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Wed May 1, 2024 11:27 pm
by I Rasharted
dms269 wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:NOP owes value to both orlando and Atlanta
I initially had NOP sending Hawkins to ATL, but figured Bey can't really be positive value right?
My thought process - Murray is worth slightly more than Ingram due to contract, but ATL is getting a significant fit upgrade, and 6'8 wings don't come available often. Then adding in Bey off-set that bit. Maybe a 2nd round pick to sweeten the pot?
As for Orlando, I wasn't sure what to do there. The fans seemed to want a different fit at center all season. CJ is coming off a fantastic year of 20-5-4 with 43% from 3 on high volume. I had him as better than sinking 25/year into Monk, or paying Klay.
What kind of value do you think is owed to Orlando here?
Bey is a rfa this offseason.
I have Murray being worth quite a bit more than Ingram due to the contract situation. If you do retain him he is going to be making double what DJM is going to be making.
Curious what a Hawks fan would want from ORL for Murray?
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Thu May 2, 2024 2:44 pm
by lordjeff05
From the Pels side I think Id rather WCJ than Capela, so I'd push for that but I think I'd do this.
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 2:06 am
by Geaux_Hawks
I Rasharted wrote:dms269 wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:
I initially had NOP sending Hawkins to ATL, but figured Bey can't really be positive value right?
My thought process - Murray is worth slightly more than Ingram due to contract, but ATL is getting a significant fit upgrade, and 6'8 wings don't come available often. Then adding in Bey off-set that bit. Maybe a 2nd round pick to sweeten the pot?
As for Orlando, I wasn't sure what to do there. The fans seemed to want a different fit at center all season. CJ is coming off a fantastic year of 20-5-4 with 43% from 3 on high volume. I had him as better than sinking 25/year into Monk, or paying Klay.
What kind of value do you think is owed to Orlando here?
Bey is a rfa this offseason.
I have Murray being worth quite a bit more than Ingram due to the contract situation. If you do retain him he is going to be making double what DJM is going to be making.
Curious what a Hawks fan would want from ORL for Murray?
I'd personally start with Isaac, but i've heard that you all hold him in very high regards from a value perspective, so idk what else would need to be added. I'd probably ask for WCJ also, and possibly a pick or 2. I doubt a picks/prospect package would get Murray because we need vets that can help re-tool.
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 8:28 am
by BuddyBuckets
That Pels D with Murray, Herb, Capela would be something to watch. Throw in Alvarado with Murray moving to SG and damn... Interesting idea for the Pels perspective. Would be a weird place though when Zion (inevitably) gets an injury and you don't have real one-on-one creators outside Murray.
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 8:44 am
by YayBasketball
Edit, wrong thread
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 10:29 am
by I Rasharted
Geaux_Hawks wrote:I Rasharted wrote:dms269 wrote:
Bey is a rfa this offseason.
I have Murray being worth quite a bit more than Ingram due to the contract situation. If you do retain him he is going to be making double what DJM is going to be making.
Curious what a Hawks fan would want from ORL for Murray?
I'd personally start with Isaac, but i've heard that you all hold him in very high regards from a value perspective, so idk what else would need to be added. I'd probably ask for WCJ also, and possibly a pick or 2. I doubt a picks/prospect package would get Murray because we need vets that can help re-tool.
Thanks. If Isaac, WCJ and a pick gets it done, I go for it as a Magic fan. No idea if the Magic have any actual interest in Murray, but he'd solve a lot of their backcourt issues.
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Fri May 3, 2024 6:18 pm
by LightTheBeam
BuddyBuckets wrote:That Pels D with Murray, Herb, Capela would be something to watch. Throw in Alvarado with Murray moving to SG and damn... Interesting idea for the Pels perspective. Would be a weird place though when Zion (inevitably) gets an injury and you don't have real one-on-one creators outside Murray.
Whats the thoughts on Murphy? I've been impressed when I watched him. Do you think he could continue to develop in that role with Ingram out of the way?
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 5:08 pm
by lordjeff05
LightTheBeam wrote:BuddyBuckets wrote:That Pels D with Murray, Herb, Capela would be something to watch. Throw in Alvarado with Murray moving to SG and damn... Interesting idea for the Pels perspective. Would be a weird place though when Zion (inevitably) gets an injury and you don't have real one-on-one creators outside Murray.
Whats the thoughts on Murphy? I've been impressed when I watched him. Do you think he could continue to develop in that role with Ingram out of the way?
Pels fans are really bullish on him. Had a bit of a slow start coming back from injury. Still not much a handle but he's got a flamethrower and he's aggressive attacking the basket on closeouts. Seems comfortable in his role and he is growing on the defensive end.
Re: Pelicans - ATL - Magic
Posted: Mon May 6, 2024 6:17 pm
by Threezus
BuddyBuckets wrote:That Pels D with Murray, Herb, Capela would be something to watch. Throw in Alvarado with Murray moving to SG and damn... Interesting idea for the Pels perspective. Would be a weird place though when Zion (inevitably) gets an injury and you don't have real one-on-one creators outside Murray.
Massive mistake right there my friend Murray gets beat pretty badly when asked to defend at SG and struggles offball. Thats actually his biggest issue here is we ask him to handle the bigger SG's in the league and he just can't do it. When Trae was out and Murray went back to defending PG's again and to be the main distributor he started being a top tier player on both ends of the court again.