New York/Detroit

[Astaluego]

I hope Detroit doesn't do it, select C.Williams and continue with the constructions...Sasser for the Pistons' FRP back?

[JayTWill]

If they're being paid a lot more than what NY does, yes. NY is going to sign both of them, but it doesn't mean Detroit should help NY again, like Weaver did with Brunson. We should make things as difficult as possible, and if they don't give one of those guys their money, we should steal at least one of them, because we can.

Jerami Grant went to an unatractive Detroit team, how did that work for him? He got a nice contract to play where he wanted to play didn't he?

Detroit was historically bad last year and has been rebuilding for 4-5 years and just moved on from Weaver and Williams. Your team is less attractive than it was when Grant signed while OG is a much more in demand player than Grant imo. He has better options of where he can get paid including New York.

New York can only offer IHart a certain amount of money. If he does leave New York I just can't imagine he would leave to go to the worst team in the league. He was willing to stay in LA for less money than NY offered him but they chose John Wall instead. He has better options available to him than Detroit no matter what.

Obviously Detroit can do whatever they want with their cap space but I would be open to more options than just looking to sign someone with how the team has performed for years and may be perceived from the outside.

OG is in a completely different situation than Grant too. OG has proven a lot more and is a lot more desirable himself than Grant was. We landed Grant in part because we offered him a larger role than the one he had in Denver.

The Pistons as is do present a strong opportunity to the right player. Hard to imagine that being OG though. My suspicion is he's just angling for more money and will likely end up back in New York.

Just out of curiosity who are the guys that you think would possibly sign with Detroit at this moment? What guys would you be looking to add?

[vege]

Do you honestly think Detroit is currently an attractive destination for either of those players at this point in time?

If they're being paid a lot more than what NY does, yes. NY is going to sign both of them, but it doesn't mean Detroit should help NY again, like Weaver did with Brunson. We should make things as difficult as possible, and if they don't give one of those guys their money, we should steal at least one of them, because we can.

Jerami Grant went to an unatractive Detroit team, how did that work for him? He got a nice contract to play where he wanted to play didn't he?

Detroit was historically bad last year and has been rebuilding for 4-5 years and just moved on from Weaver and Williams. Your team is less attractive than it was when Grant signed while OG is a much more in demand player than Grant imo. He has better options of where he can get paid including New York.

New York can only offer IHart a certain amount of money. If he does leave New York I just can't imagine he would leave to go to the worst team in the league. He was willing to stay in LA for less money than NY offered him but they chose John Wall instead. He has better options available to him than Detroit no matter what.

Obviously Detroit can do whatever they want with their cap space but I would be open to more options than just looking to sign someone with how the team has performed for years and may be perceived from the outside.

Yes, like I said, it's very likely they'll be back in NY. That doesn't mean Detroit should help NY to make it happen, and Detroit have a ton of options in free agency. There are no stars in free agency, but that are a lot of guys who can shoot and defend and that's what Detroit should be trying to get next to Cade.

[JayTWill]

If they're being paid a lot more than what NY does, yes. NY is going to sign both of them, but it doesn't mean Detroit should help NY again, like Weaver did with Brunson. We should make things as difficult as possible, and if they don't give one of those guys their money, we should steal at least one of them, because we can.

Jerami Grant went to an unatractive Detroit team, how did that work for him? He got a nice contract to play where he wanted to play didn't he?

Detroit was historically bad last year and has been rebuilding for 4-5 years and just moved on from Weaver and Williams. Your team is less attractive than it was when Grant signed while OG is a much more in demand player than Grant imo. He has better options of where he can get paid including New York.

New York can only offer IHart a certain amount of money. If he does leave New York I just can't imagine he would leave to go to the worst team in the league. He was willing to stay in LA for less money than NY offered him but they chose John Wall instead. He has better options available to him than Detroit no matter what.

Obviously Detroit can do whatever they want with their cap space but I would be open to more options than just looking to sign someone with how the team has performed for years and may be perceived from the outside.

Yes, like I said, it's very likely they'll be back in NY. That doesn't mean Detroit should help NY to make it happen, and Detroit have a ton of options in free agency. There are no stars in free agency, but that are a lot of guys who can shoot and defend and that's what Detroit should be trying to get next to Cade.

This trade doesn't make any more money available to either OG or iHart so i'm not sure why you are mentioning helping New York sign them.

And every team is looking for guys that can shoot and defend so if there are many of those guys available, which I wouldn't say there are, there are going to be many other teams chasing after them. I know it is easy to blame your GM for not getting these type of guys but there has to be mutual interest between the two parties.

There may have actually been a reason Weaver was unable to sign guys that can shoot and defend last year and had to sell off the cap space at an insanely cheap rate. FWIW I actually offered a young 3 and D guy in McBride who just shot 41% this year from 3 and I think would be a great fit around Cade. If he was on the market in free agency I feel like your franchise would definitely be trying to obtain him.

This trade doesn't even prevent you from trying to get whatever 3 and D guys you think may be available.

[vege]

Detroit was historically bad last year and has been rebuilding for 4-5 years and just moved on from Weaver and Williams. Your team is less attractive than it was when Grant signed while OG is a much more in demand player than Grant imo. He has better options of where he can get paid including New York.

New York can only offer IHart a certain amount of money. If he does leave New York I just can't imagine he would leave to go to the worst team in the league. He was willing to stay in LA for less money than NY offered him but they chose John Wall instead. He has better options available to him than Detroit no matter what.

Obviously Detroit can do whatever they want with their cap space but I would be open to more options than just looking to sign someone with how the team has performed for years and may be perceived from the outside.

Yes, like I said, it's very likely they'll be back in NY. That doesn't mean Detroit should help NY to make it happen, and Detroit have a ton of options in free agency. There are no stars in free agency, but that are a lot of guys who can shoot and defend and that's what Detroit should be trying to get next to Cade.

This trade doesn't make any more money available to either OG or iHart so i'm not sure why you are mentioning helping New York sign them.

And every team is looking for guys that can shoot and defend so if there are many of those guys available, which I wouldn't say there are, there are going to be many other teams chasing after them. I know it is easy to blame your GM for not getting these type of guys but there has to be mutual interest between the two parties.

There may have actually been a reason Weaver was unable to sign guys that can shoot and defend last year and had to sell off the cap space at an insanely cheap rate. FWIW I actually offered a young 3 and D guy in McBride who just shot 41% this year from 3 and I think would be a great fit around Cade. If he was on the market in free agency I feel like your franchise would definitely be trying to obtain him.

This trade doesn't even prevent you from trying to get whatever 3 and D guys you think may be available.

Detroit is eating Mitchell and McBride into raw cap space, so you are not even making sense anymore. You do you, we are done.

[JayTWill]

Yes, like I said, it's very likely they'll be back in NY. That doesn't mean Detroit should help NY to make it happen, and Detroit have a ton of options in free agency. There are no stars in free agency, but that are a lot of guys who can shoot and defend and that's what Detroit should be trying to get next to Cade.

This trade doesn't make any more money available to either OG or iHart so i'm not sure why you are mentioning helping New York sign them.

And every team is looking for guys that can shoot and defend so if there are many of those guys available, which I wouldn't say there are, there are going to be many other teams chasing after them. I know it is easy to blame your GM for not getting these type of guys but there has to be mutual interest between the two parties.

There may have actually been a reason Weaver was unable to sign guys that can shoot and defend last year and had to sell off the cap space at an insanely cheap rate. FWIW I actually offered a young 3 and D guy in McBride who just shot 41% this year from 3 and I think would be a great fit around Cade. If he was on the market in free agency I feel like your franchise would definitely be trying to obtain him.

This trade doesn't even prevent you from trying to get whatever 3 and D guys you think may be available.

Detroit is eating Mitchell and McBride into raw cap space, so you are not even making sense anymore. You do you, we are done.

Yeah and they would still have 35-40 million in cap space available after this trade based on the number I see online. I guess that's not enough to do what you think is necessary so good luck to you and your team at accomplishing your goals this off-season.

[Snakebites]

I'd love this if we had a chance at Sarr at #5

Yeah but the Pistons wouldn’t do that then.

To me this assumes Reed, Risacher and Sarr are all gone. The pick has more value if that’s not the case.

[Knickfan1982]

New York out - Robinson. McBride, #24, #25, 2025 Detroit Protected pick (Top 13 protected in 2025. Top 11 in 2026, Top 9 in 2027)
Detroit out - #5, Sasser

The Knicks combine 2 late 1st round picks along with the Detroit protected pick to the one team that will value it the most to move up to #5 in this draft while moving off of Robinson's last 2 years to hopefully find a cheaper and healthier replacement. They also swap a good young 3 and D guard for a guard with more potential as an on-ball microwave scorer for a bench unit that struggled to generate offense.

Personally would do this to draft Castle to add more size and defensive versatility to the guard position as hopefully his offensive game progresses. Then I would look to sign Goga as a cheaper Robinson replacement. The Knicks would have to be pretty confident in their ability to re-sign iHart to do this deal though.

From Detroit's perspective they move back in a draft that they may not be high on anyone at their draft slot for 2 later chances to fill holes while also gaining control of their draft pick going forward that I actually think would convey as a pick in the late lottery to mid first round in the next few years. They also pick up 2 complimentary rotational pieces during a year where the talent in the free agency pool is limited and they may not be able to attract anyone.

I see 3 and D guys like McBride and Grimes as better fits next to Cade and Ivey. When healthy and in shape Mitch is one of the better defensive centers in the league but the Pistons still have Duren and Stewert who can hold down the minutes if he misses time. Hopefully Mitch can stay healthy in a smaller role away from Thibs.

I don't really see the point of this for the Knicks. If we're combining picks to upgrade our talent it should be for a sure thing and not a rookie. And there is no one in the top 5 I'd be crazy to have.

[tmorgan]

Yeah, I actually like this for Detroit, because Sarr, Risacher, Sheppard and Clingan are very likely to be the top 4 picks in some order. What’s left doesn’t have a ton of appeal — I don’t really want to watch another long-term development rookie (Castle, CWilliams) right now. Sasser is fun but expendable.

We get a rim protector (needed), 3&D guard (needed), a couple of late firsts in a draft with little top end talent but fairly normal depth, and our pick back.

Yes, from me, once we’re on the clock if things go as I expect.

[JayTWill]

New York out - Robinson. McBride, #24, #25, 2025 Detroit Protected pick (Top 13 protected in 2025. Top 11 in 2026, Top 9 in 2027)
Detroit out - #5, Sasser

The Knicks combine 2 late 1st round picks along with the Detroit protected pick to the one team that will value it the most to move up to #5 in this draft while moving off of Robinson's last 2 years to hopefully find a cheaper and healthier replacement. They also swap a good young 3 and D guard for a guard with more potential as an on-ball microwave scorer for a bench unit that struggled to generate offense.

Personally would do this to draft Castle to add more size and defensive versatility to the guard position as hopefully his offensive game progresses. Then I would look to sign Goga as a cheaper Robinson replacement. The Knicks would have to be pretty confident in their ability to re-sign iHart to do this deal though.

From Detroit's perspective they move back in a draft that they may not be high on anyone at their draft slot for 2 later chances to fill holes while also gaining control of their draft pick going forward that I actually think would convey as a pick in the late lottery to mid first round in the next few years. They also pick up 2 complimentary rotational pieces during a year where the talent in the free agency pool is limited and they may not be able to attract anyone.

I see 3 and D guys like McBride and Grimes as better fits next to Cade and Ivey. When healthy and in shape Mitch is one of the better defensive centers in the league but the Pistons still have Duren and Stewert who can hold down the minutes if he misses time. Hopefully Mitch can stay healthy in a smaller role away from Thibs.

I don't really see the point of this for the Knicks. If we're combining picks to upgrade our talent it should be for a sure thing and not a rookie. And there is no one in the top 5 I'd be crazy to have.

Yeah, I can understand that. I'm sure i'm higher on adding someone like Castle to the team than most. I also don't feel the Knicks are as close to contending as some do so I am willing to focus on integrating and developing a young player or two while they try to add another win now piece.

I think I have gotten stuck on the idea of adding a defensive ball handler with some size to the backcourt in the mold of a Jrue Holiday or Derrick White to play alongside Brunson eventually. Interestingly enough this package actually looks similar to what was offered from the Celtics to get Jrue Holiday. I wonder who is the best win now player this package could get.

[jbk1234]

Emoni Bates was hyped and I remember threads and a lot of people saying Detroit should tank to draft him #1

Bring Bates Home!*



*with Niang attached

[JayTWill]

Yeah, I actually like this for Detroit, because Sarr, Risacher, Sheppard and Clingan are very likely to be the top 4 picks in some order. What’s left doesn’t have a ton of appeal — I don’t really want to watch another long-term development rookie (Castle, CWilliams) right now. Sasser is fun but expendable.

We get a rim protector (needed), 3&D guard (needed), a couple of late firsts in a draft with little top end talent but fairly normal depth, and our pick back.

Yes, from me, once we’re on the clock if things go as I expect.

Wait... Did I get two people from an opposing fan base to possibly agree to my trade? I'm not sure I have ever had one before. It makes me feel like I am vastly overpaying so be prepared to see this trade posted again in a few days with at least 2 of the picks going to Detroit removed.

And where are all the Knicks' fans at to crap on this trade if two Pistons' fans agreed to it???? Something is not right.

[zeebneeb]

Yeah, I actually like this for Detroit, because Sarr, Risacher, Sheppard and Clingan are very likely to be the top 4 picks in some order. What’s left doesn’t have a ton of appeal — I don’t really want to watch another long-term development rookie (Castle, CWilliams) right now. Sasser is fun but expendable.

We get a rim protector (needed), 3&D guard (needed), a couple of late firsts in a draft with little top end talent but fairly normal depth, and our pick back.

Yes, from me, once we’re on the clock if things go as I expect.

Wait... Did I get two people from an opposing fan base to possibly agree to my trade? I'm not sure I have ever had one before. It makes me feel like I am vastly overpaying so be prepared to see this trade posted again in a few days with at least 2 of the picks going to Detroit removed.

And where are all the Knicks' fans at to crap on this trade if two Pistons' fans agreed to it???? Something is not right.

Pistons fans are battered spouses at this point. Hell even im thinking about it, when in reality, its just not worth the #5 pick.

[theBigLip]

Yeah, I actually like this for Detroit, because Sarr, Risacher, Sheppard and Clingan are very likely to be the top 4 picks in some order. What’s left doesn’t have a ton of appeal — I don’t really want to watch another long-term development rookie (Castle, CWilliams) right now. Sasser is fun but expendable.

We get a rim protector (needed), 3&D guard (needed), a couple of late firsts in a draft with little top end talent but fairly normal depth, and our pick back.

Yes, from me, once we’re on the clock if things go as I expect.

Wait... Did I get two people from an opposing fan base to possibly agree to my trade? I'm not sure I have ever had one before. It makes me feel like I am vastly overpaying so be prepared to see this trade posted again in a few days with at least 2 of the picks going to Detroit removed.

And where are all the Knicks' fans at to crap on this trade if two Pistons' fans agreed to it???? Something is not right.

Pistons fans are battered spouses at this point. Hell even im thinking about it, when in reality, its just not worth the #5 pick.

We’re getting desperate to see any kind of change

[tmorgan]

This isn’t a typical #5 pick. At all. That’s why I’d do it.

I do at least kinda like the four guys I mentioned, but I’ll be surprised if they’re not all gone. If not, then no, and I take the one left and try to sign two useful big FA instead.

[A_dub06]

I say no because I want Detroit to blow it up and rebuild again but this time under Langdon, Pinson and hopefully a new head coach with modern thinking that isn’t just an old face off the scrap heap because he has “experience”. I can see this happening, and the chances of the Detroit pick actually conveying are lower than them just keeping it due to to the protections.

We were the worst team last season, trading a top 5 pick even in this draft is foolish. Yeah players projected from 4-12 are roughly on par with each other in terms of potential and production but after that there’s a drop and what we would be getting at over #20 we would be lucky if they are still in the league by the end of their rookie contract.

And yeah as other posters have said, we have helped the Knicks enough. Hopefully we throw and max contrast to OG and make them sweat

[Skybox]

Just on principle alone, a team in DET’s position should never jettison a top 5 pick for a pile of stuff. Cade’s about to extend…this is not their summer to kick it down the road….they need to come out with AT LEAST one more foundational piece…maybe two or even three

[Kalamazoo317]

Yeah, if I'm trading #5, it should be in a package with someone else for a high level starter/borderline all-star, or as a trade down that stays in the lottery. The drop is just too steep here for the return package.

[vege]

Emoni Bates was hyped and I remember threads and a lot of people saying Detroit should tank to draft him #1

Bring Bates Home!*



*with Niang attached

I think we'll have to pass, sorry

[JayTWill]

Just on principle alone, a team in DET’s position should never jettison a top 5 pick for a pile of stuff. Cade’s about to extend…this is not their summer to kick it down the road….they need to come out with AT LEAST one more foundational piece…maybe two or even three

It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?