J.Allen market

K_chile22 · Post #21 » by **K_chile22** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:29 pm

Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Post #22 » by **jbk1234** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:37 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Unless Maluach is still on the board (I'm skeptical) we'd need you to sign Adams and wait for him to be trade eligible. We can't have Mobley and nobody as our center rotation. Just keep No. 10 and sub in a protected future first.

bgrep14 · Post #23 » by **bgrep14** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:45 pm

What about Jabari Smith, Whitemore, and Eason for Allen and Okoro.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #24 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:46 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Unless Maluach is still on the board (I'm skeptical) we'd need you to sign Adams and wait for him to be trade eligible. We can't have Mobley and nobody as our center rotation. Just keep No. 10 and sub in a protected future first.

Take Londale, then.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #25 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:46 pm

bgrep14 wrote:What about Jabari Smith, Whitemore, and Eason for Allen and Okoro.

This is a lot to upgrade Adams to Allen.

ChettheJet · Post #26 » by **ChettheJet** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:47 pm

I get that nobody will like it but to the Bulls for Nikola Vucevic but that's where it would start, maybe add a third team to get others in motion.

The Bull's are happy with Allen, his size, play and contract.

CLE gets a backup center who can start and give Mobley games off, dreaded time management, when they see fit. Most importantly Vucevic is an expiring contract so that when the Cavs wake up next summer paying Mobley, Garland, Mitchell between $38M and $46M and Hunter and Struss a combined $39M watching Vucevic disappear is going to feel REAL good.

K_chile22 · Post #27 » by **K_chile22** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:48 pm

bgrep14 wrote:What about Jabari Smith, Whitemore, and Eason for Allen and Okoro.

that makes no sense for houston but also hate the value (personally think Allen is overrated, playing off two elite guard creators and next to a DPOY)

ReggiesKnicks · Post #28 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:51 pm

ChettheJet wrote:I get that nobody will like it but to the Bulls for Nikola Vucevic but that's where it would start, maybe add a third team to get others in motion.

The Bull's are happy with Allen, his size, play and contract.

CLE gets a backup center who can start and give Mobley games off, dreaded time management, when they see fit. Most importantly Vucevic is an expiring contract so that when the Cavs wake up next summer paying Mobley, Garland, Mitchell between $38M and $46M and Hunter and Struss a combined $39M watching Vucevic disappear is going to feel REAL good.

What asset is Chicago giving up here?

Vuc makes more than Allen, so Cleveland can't take back more salary nor can they aggregate at the moment unless crazy cap savings happen.

Can you identify and fix these issues with your idea?

1) Vuc makes more money than Allen
2) Cleveland needs compensation on the massive talent downgrade

In-N-Out 247 · Post #29 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:51 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Hadn't thought of Houston as a Reaves destination. Jabari & #10 feels a bit rich to me for Austin, but pretty fair for Allen. Maybe it'd be more like Jabari, Milton & #10 to Cavs, Reaves & Knecht to Houston & Allen to LAL. Probably have to do this deal in the 25/26 league year, so timing is a little wonky to include #10, might be better to include a future pick instead. Also could help the Cavs cap situation for next year not having #10 on the books.

I should clarify as well that I think reducing salary for the Cavs is likely a priority for them. I assume they are going to want to resign Ty Jerome and with their cap situation that is going to be extremely expensive. I know some Cavs fans think Dan Gilbert will have no problem to pay 100m+ in luxury tax, but to me that seems a bit crazy.

Post #30 » by **jbk1234** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:54 pm

ChettheJet wrote:I get that nobody will like it but to the Bulls for Nikola Vucevic but that's where it would start, maybe add a third team to get others in motion.

The Bull's are happy with Allen, his size, play and contract.

CLE gets a backup center who can start and give Mobley games off, dreaded time management, when they see fit. Most importantly Vucevic is an expiring contract so that when the Cavs wake up next summer paying Mobley, Garland, Mitchell between $38M and $46M and Hunter and Struss a combined $39M watching Vucevic disappear is going to feel REAL good.

Three problems: (1) this is an awful offer that would obviously be outbid; (2) the Cavs can just keep Allen; (3) this doesn't actually save the Cavs any money next summer.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #31 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed May 14, 2025 3:56 pm

In-N-Out 247 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Hadn't thought of Houston as a Reaves destination. Jabari & #10 feels a bit rich to me for Austin, but pretty fair for Allen. Maybe it'd be more like Jabari, Milton & #10 to Cavs, Reaves & Knecht to Houston & Allen to LAL. Probably have to do this deal in the 25/26 league year, so timing is a little wonky to include #10, might be better to include a future pick instead. Also could help the Cavs cap situation for next year not having #10 on the books.

All draft pick trades are done in the following (2025-2026) league year.

In-N-Out 247 · Post #32 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:07 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
In-N-Out 247 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Hadn't thought of Houston as a Reaves destination. Jabari & #10 feels a bit rich to me for Austin, but pretty fair for Allen. Maybe it'd be more like Jabari, Milton & #10 to Cavs, Reaves & Knecht to Houston & Allen to LAL. Probably have to do this deal in the 25/26 league year, so timing is a little wonky to include #10, might be better to include a future pick instead. Also could help the Cavs cap situation for next year not having #10 on the books.

All draft pick trades are done in the following (2025-2026) league year.

Is that a rule that changed recently? Certainly possible that my CBA knowledge is a bit outdated. Last I recall, this trade could theoretically be done today if they wanted assuming they could get salaries to match and stay within the apron rules (since all of the teams involved seasons are over and all of the players are under contract in 25/26). So you are saying they would use 25/26 salaries and not 24/25 salaries in that scenario?

ReggiesKnicks · Post #33 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:10 pm

In-N-Out 247 wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
In-N-Out 247 wrote:
Hadn't thought of Houston as a Reaves destination. Jabari & #10 feels a bit rich to me for Austin, but pretty fair for Allen. Maybe it'd be more like Jabari, Milton & #10 to Cavs, Reaves & Knecht to Houston & Allen to LAL. Probably have to do this deal in the 25/26 league year, so timing is a little wonky to include #10, might be better to include a future pick instead. Also could help the Cavs cap situation for next year not having #10 on the books.

All draft pick trades are done in the following (2025-2026) league year.

Is that a rule that changed recently? Certainly possible that my CBA knowledge is a bit outdated. Last I recall, this trade could theoretically be done today if they wanted assuming they could get salaries to match and stay within the apron rules (since all of the teams involved seasons are over and all of the players are under contract in 25/26). So you are saying they would use 25/26 salaries and not 24/25 salaries in that scenario?

The trade deadline passed for the season back in February.

K_chile22 · Post #34 » by **K_chile22** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:13 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
In-N-Out 247 wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
All draft pick trades are done in the following (2025-2026) league year.

Is that a rule that changed recently? Certainly possible that my CBA knowledge is a bit outdated. Last I recall, this trade could theoretically be done today if they wanted assuming they could get salaries to match and stay within the apron rules (since all of the teams involved seasons are over and all of the players are under contract in 25/26). So you are saying they would use 25/26 salaries and not 24/25 salaries in that scenario?

The trade deadline passed for the season back in February.

teams can trade after their season ends, but most draft day trades do wait until the new league year even though they don't have to, teams just make the pick on behalf of the team they traded it to, which is why you see guys in the wrong hats on draft night, trade isn't official. After your season ends and before next season starts I believe for all trades the salary is the larger of this season and next season's amount but it may be a bit more nuanced then that, can't remember exactly

Post #35 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:18 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
In-N-Out 247 wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
All draft pick trades are done in the following (2025-2026) league year.

Is that a rule that changed recently? Certainly possible that my CBA knowledge is a bit outdated. Last I recall, this trade could theoretically be done today if they wanted assuming they could get salaries to match and stay within the apron rules (since all of the teams involved seasons are over and all of the players are under contract in 25/26). So you are saying they would use 25/26 salaries and not 24/25 salaries in that scenario?

The trade deadline passed for the season back in February.

Teams can make trades as soon as their season is over.

Post #36 » by **Mavrelous** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:21 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Jabari + whoever you can get for 10 for Allen who goes to LAL to get Houston Reaves

Rockets would be overpaying, but both Cavs and Lakers would be crazy to turn it down...

ReggiesKnicks · Post #37 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:33 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
In-N-Out 247 wrote:
Is that a rule that changed recently? Certainly possible that my CBA knowledge is a bit outdated. Last I recall, this trade could theoretically be done today if they wanted assuming they could get salaries to match and stay within the apron rules (since all of the teams involved seasons are over and all of the players are under contract in 25/26). So you are saying they would use 25/26 salaries and not 24/25 salaries in that scenario?

The trade deadline passed for the season back in February.

Teams can make trades as soon as their season is over.

Thanks, I didn't know this. I thought everything was post-dated to the new year.

Sorry Worlds Greatest Burger Chain, I led you incorrectly.

In-N-Out 247 · Post #38 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:37 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
In-N-Out 247 wrote:
Is that a rule that changed recently? Certainly possible that my CBA knowledge is a bit outdated. Last I recall, this trade could theoretically be done today if they wanted assuming they could get salaries to match and stay within the apron rules (since all of the teams involved seasons are over and all of the players are under contract in 25/26). So you are saying they would use 25/26 salaries and not 24/25 salaries in that scenario?

The trade deadline passed for the season back in February.

Teams can make trades as soon as their season is over.

Hey Scoot - based on what you know let me know if this still works/makes sense under the current rules.

This trade could be done as soon as today using 24/25 salaries:

Rockets trade: VanVleet - $42,846,615 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Holiday - $4,668,000 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Whitmore $3,379,080 & #10 For Durant - $51,179,021. (outgoing salaries - $50,893,695, incoming $51,179,021)

Suns Trade - Durant - $51,179,021 for VanVleet - $42,846,615, Whitmore - $3,379,080 & #10. (Outgoing - $51,179,021, incoming $46,225,695) This deal saves them $4,953,326 in salary which would cut their tax bill by about $27M.

Bulls acquire Holiday - $4,668,000 (using a portion of the Lavine TPE) and a 2nd round pick.

In-N-Out 247 · Post #39 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Wed May 14, 2025 4:42 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
The trade deadline passed for the season back in February.

Teams can make trades as soon as their season is over.

Thanks, I didn't know this. I thought everything was post-dated to the new year.

Sorry Worlds Greatest Burger Chain, I led you incorrectly.

Haha no worries - this stuff is crazy complicated. I don't post a lot and have changed my names a few times over the years, but I've been on RealGM since the early 2000's. Don't remember exactly when I found this site, but I have been lurking on here forever lol. So I sort of know my stuff, but you had me doubting there for sec.

Post #40 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed May 14, 2025 6:06 pm

In-N-Out 247 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
The trade deadline passed for the season back in February.

Teams can make trades as soon as their season is over.

Hey Scoot - based on what you know let me know if this still works/makes sense under the current rules.

This trade could be done as soon as today using 24/25 salaries:

Rockets trade: VanVleet - $42,846,615 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Holiday - $4,668,000 (TO for 25/26 picked up), Whitmore $3,379,080 & #10 For Durant - $51,179,021. (outgoing salaries - $50,893,695, incoming $51,179,021)

Suns Trade - Durant - $51,179,021 for VanVleet - $42,846,615, Whitmore - $3,379,080 & #10. (Outgoing - $51,179,021, incoming $46,225,695) This deal saves them $4,953,326 in salary which would cut their tax bill by about $27M.

Bulls acquire Holiday - $4,668,000 (using a portion of the Lavine TPE) and a 2nd round pick.

At a glance it would be legal. However, important to remember that Houston would hard cap themselves at the first apron for next season (for receiving more salary in trade than they send out), and luxury tax levels are frozen on the last day of the season, so Phoenix wouldn’t actually be cutting their luxury tax bills for this season.