BOS/DAl/LAL/DET/WAS extravganza

[vege]

Oh sorry I missed that part of the deal, ok, that makes sense.

[165bows]

Why not just keep things far simpler and do

Jrue to Dallas
Gafford and Washington to Boston
Hardy, Sam Hauser, Tillman and a pick from Boston to Brooklyn (separate deal)

That way Boston saves enough payroll to get below the 2nd apron and opens things up for a Brown trade to be made easier.
Dallas gets the perfect guy for their team
Nets add a couple nice cost controlled players


Jrue
Irving
Marshall or Klay
Flagg
Davis

Pritchard
White
Brown
Washington
Porzingis/Gafford

Didn't see this here and just made a similar suggestion on the Boston board.

People think Jrue is a bunk deal but I think they will be surprised the value he has (if he's moved).

Edit: eg I thought Lillard was a bad deal that I didn't value that highly for the same reason but he returned a lot of value even though it was pretty clear there were going to be bad year(s) at the end of it. And Jrue is a lot more hardy of a body type imo.
Edit2: Also did I miss it or what is BRK giving for all of that?

[Larry_Russell]

Why not just keep things far simpler and do

Jrue to Dallas
Gafford and Washington to Boston
Hardy, Sam Hauser, Tillman and a pick from Boston to Brooklyn (separate deal)

That way Boston saves enough payroll to get below the 2nd apron and opens things up for a Brown trade to be made easier.
Dallas gets the perfect guy for their team
Nets add a couple nice cost controlled players


Jrue
Irving
Marshall or Klay
Flagg
Davis

Pritchard
White
Brown
Washington
Porzingis/Gafford

Didn't see this here and just made a similar suggestion on the Boston board.

People think Jrue is a bunk deal but I think they will be surprised the value he has (if he's moved).

Edit: eg I thought Lillard was a bad deal that I didn't value that highly for the same reason but he returned a lot of value even though it was pretty clear there were going to be bad year(s) at the end of it. And Jrue is a lot more hardy of a body type imo.
Edit2: Also did I miss it or what is BRK giving for all of that?

RE Edit 2: Never gave any thought. I know they have capspace, so probs late firsts or seconds or something just to reach the salary floor.

[Texas Chuck]

Why not just keep things far simpler and do

Jrue to Dallas
Gafford and Washington to Boston
Hardy, Sam Hauser, Tillman and a pick from Boston to Brooklyn (separate deal)

That way Boston saves enough payroll to get below the 2nd apron and opens things up for a Brown trade to be made easier.
Dallas gets the perfect guy for their team
Nets add a couple nice cost controlled players


Jrue
Irving
Marshall or Klay
Flagg
Davis

Pritchard
White
Brown
Washington
Porzingis/Gafford

You could probably find teams to take Hardy, Hauser and Tilman because all are affordable contracts for the production they provide, but . . . definitely not BRK.

BRK will make reaching the salary floor their first priority. They have to spend an extra $62M to reach the salary floor of approx $141M, and according to Spotrac unless they are able to move some of their (four!) FRPs, they've got no available roster spots to spend that money on.

Brooklyn's biggest problem this off-season is a lack of roster spots

Can't disagree much more. They have plenty of players they could simply waive to create roster spots. Including salary dump guys they take on for value.

They will have zero issues getting to the floor and they should absolutely sell their cap space.



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[djFan71]

Why not just keep things far simpler and do

Jrue to Dallas
Gafford and Washington to Boston
Hardy, Sam Hauser, Tillman and a pick from Boston to Brooklyn (separate deal)

That way Boston saves enough payroll to get below the 2nd apron and opens things up for a Brown trade to be made easier.
Dallas gets the perfect guy for their team
Nets add a couple nice cost controlled players


Jrue
Irving
Marshall or Klay
Flagg
Davis

Pritchard
White
Brown
Washington
Porzingis/Gafford

Didn't see this here and just made a similar suggestion on the Boston board.

People think Jrue is a bunk deal but I think they will be surprised the value he has (if he's moved).

Edit: eg I thought Lillard was a bad deal that I didn't value that highly for the same reason but he returned a lot of value even though it was pretty clear there were going to be bad year(s) at the end of it. And Jrue is a lot more hardy of a body type imo.
Edit2: Also did I miss it or what is BRK giving for all of that?

I think he's the one that the long summer with the title run and Olympics affected the most. That and his role on the Cs doesn't call for fancy numbers. On a new team with a new role and a summer of rest, I expect he'll look a lot better. Not that he's not valuable this season, it'll just be a little bounce back year and be more apparent.

[165bows]

Why not just keep things far simpler and do

Jrue to Dallas
Gafford and Washington to Boston
Hardy, Sam Hauser, Tillman and a pick from Boston to Brooklyn (separate deal)

That way Boston saves enough payroll to get below the 2nd apron and opens things up for a Brown trade to be made easier.
Dallas gets the perfect guy for their team
Nets add a couple nice cost controlled players


Jrue
Irving
Marshall or Klay
Flagg
Davis

Pritchard
White
Brown
Washington
Porzingis/Gafford

Didn't see this here and just made a similar suggestion on the Boston board.

People think Jrue is a bunk deal but I think they will be surprised the value he has (if he's moved).

Edit: eg I thought Lillard was a bad deal that I didn't value that highly for the same reason but he returned a lot of value even though it was pretty clear there were going to be bad year(s) at the end of it. And Jrue is a lot more hardy of a body type imo.
Edit2: Also did I miss it or what is BRK giving for all of that?

I think he's the one that the long summer with the title run and Olympics affected the most. That and his role on the Cs doesn't call for fancy numbers. On a new team with a new role and a summer of rest, I expect he'll look a lot better. Not that he's not valuable this season, it'll just be a little bounce back year and be more apparent.

Plus his finger got effed up so that hasn't helped.

My version of this was Jrue for Gafford with appropriate salary pieces. Imo just like Boston has a $ move upcoming, Dallas seems like they have one with both Gafford/Washington having upcoming FA and prob not loving their place in the rotation.

At any rate, my interest in Washington was Boston could give him a place to start for a year (possibly including after an extension). So then after that year filling in for Tatum's spot he could then be flipped for something else later where he could start elsewhere. So ie basically an opportunity to buy a bit on the low side and sell on the higher one, while both parties (PJW/Boston) get something they want out of it for a year. Other than that he's just a fine player not anything I'm looking for long term.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Didn't see this here and just made a similar suggestion on the Boston board.

People think Jrue is a bunk deal but I think they will be surprised the value he has (if he's moved).

Edit: eg I thought Lillard was a bad deal that I didn't value that highly for the same reason but he returned a lot of value even though it was pretty clear there were going to be bad year(s) at the end of it. And Jrue is a lot more hardy of a body type imo.
Edit2: Also did I miss it or what is BRK giving for all of that?

I think he's the one that the long summer with the title run and Olympics affected the most. That and his role on the Cs doesn't call for fancy numbers. On a new team with a new role and a summer of rest, I expect he'll look a lot better. Not that he's not valuable this season, it'll just be a little bounce back year and be more apparent.

Plus his finger got effed up so that hasn't helped.

My version of this was Jrue for Gafford with appropriate salary pieces. Imo just like Boston has a $ move upcoming, Dallas seems like they have one with both Gafford/Washington having upcoming FA and prob not loving their place in the rotation.

At any rate, my interest in Washington was Boston could give him a place to start for a year (possibly including after an extension). So then after that year filling in for Tatum's spot he could then be flipped for something else later where he could start elsewhere. So ie basically an opportunity to buy a bit on the low side and sell on the higher one, while both parties (PJW/Boston) get something they want out of it for a year. Other than that he's just a fine player not anything I'm looking for long term.

You gotta go read our board, lol. I've been pushing that for days. The basis isn't new at all, but PJ/Klay makes the most sense now with Tatum gone, imo. Klay we either pay to dump this year or replace Hauser with and flip as an expiring next summer.

[165bows]

Spoiler:

I think he's the one that the long summer with the title run and Olympics affected the most. That and his role on the Cs doesn't call for fancy numbers. On a new team with a new role and a summer of rest, I expect he'll look a lot better. Not that he's not valuable this season, it'll just be a little bounce back year and be more apparent.

Plus his finger got effed up so that hasn't helped.

My version of this was Jrue for Gafford with appropriate salary pieces. Imo just like Boston has a $ move upcoming, Dallas seems like they have one with both Gafford/Washington having upcoming FA and prob not loving their place in the rotation.

At any rate, my interest in Washington was Boston could give him a place to start for a year (possibly including after an extension). So then after that year filling in for Tatum's spot he could then be flipped for something else later where he could start elsewhere. So ie basically an opportunity to buy a bit on the low side and sell on the higher one, while both parties (PJW/Boston) get something they want out of it for a year. Other than that he's just a fine player not anything I'm looking for long term.

You gotta go read our board, lol. I've been pushing that for days. The basis isn't new at all, but PJ/Klay makes the most sense now with Tatum gone, imo. Klay we either pay to dump this year or replace Hauser with and flip as an expiring next summer.

Oh I don't want Klay at all lol. This Boston team already has a creeping case of old age for a bunch of the roster they need a little more youth/length/athleticism.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Plus his finger got effed up so that hasn't helped.

My version of this was Jrue for Gafford with appropriate salary pieces. Imo just like Boston has a $ move upcoming, Dallas seems like they have one with both Gafford/Washington having upcoming FA and prob not loving their place in the rotation.

At any rate, my interest in Washington was Boston could give him a place to start for a year (possibly including after an extension). So then after that year filling in for Tatum's spot he could then be flipped for something else later where he could start elsewhere. So ie basically an opportunity to buy a bit on the low side and sell on the higher one, while both parties (PJW/Boston) get something they want out of it for a year. Other than that he's just a fine player not anything I'm looking for long term.

You gotta go read our board, lol. I've been pushing that for days. The basis isn't new at all, but PJ/Klay makes the most sense now with Tatum gone, imo. Klay we either pay to dump this year or replace Hauser with and flip as an expiring next summer.

Oh I don't want Klay at all lol. This Boston team already has a creeping case of old age for a bunch of the roster they need a little more youth/length/athleticism.

Want is a strong word. I just think that makes the trade easier for DAL and they pay to dump the last salary guy instead of us. If it can be PJ and Gafford, even better.

[oldncreaky]

Why not just keep things far simpler and do

Jrue to Dallas
Gafford and Washington to Boston
Hardy, Sam Hauser, Tillman and a pick from Boston to Brooklyn (separate deal)

That way Boston saves enough payroll to get below the 2nd apron and opens things up for a Brown trade to be made easier.
Dallas gets the perfect guy for their team
Nets add a couple nice cost controlled players


Jrue
Irving
Marshall or Klay
Flagg
Davis

Pritchard
White
Brown
Washington
Porzingis/Gafford

You could probably find teams to take Hardy, Hauser and Tilman because all are affordable contracts for the production they provide, but . . . definitely not BRK.

BRK will make reaching the salary floor their first priority. They have to spend an extra $62M to reach the salary floor of approx $141M, and according to Spotrac unless they are able to move some of their (four!) FRPs, they've got no available roster spots to spend that money on.

Brooklyn's biggest problem this off-season is a lack of roster spots

Can't disagree much more. They have plenty of players they could simply waive to create roster spots. Including salary dump guys they take on for value.

They will have zero issues getting to the floor and they should absolutely sell their cap space.



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Agree BRK should sell their cap space, and yes, they have 3 or 4 players that they'd easily part with or cut or whatever. I still don't think BRK would contemplate trading for 3 backup level players that would still leave it with $50M+ they'd have to spend. BRK will be much more interested in large expiring contracts.

As DET experienced last off-season, reaching the salary floor is not trivial, especially if they want to retain flexibility for the 2026 FA class as their FO has hinted at and also avoid taking on long-term dead money. There is a timing problem: teams that want to cut salary effectively have until the trade deadline, while Brooklyn has until opening night tip-off to reach the salary floor (or forego tax payout). Until Brooklyn has a clear path to reaching the salary floor, every trade will be looked at in terms of that, and meanwhile, Brooklyn will be dealing with teams that have the irrational optimism of the off-season (no FO wants to give up before the season starts) as well as players that want multi-year contracts.

So while there are many, many ways for a team like Brooklyn to reach the salary floor, getting there without taking on bad money that messes up their rebuild is harder than it looks.

[mademan]

Spoiler:

Plus his finger got effed up so that hasn't helped.

My version of this was Jrue for Gafford with appropriate salary pieces. Imo just like Boston has a $ move upcoming, Dallas seems like they have one with both Gafford/Washington having upcoming FA and prob not loving their place in the rotation.

At any rate, my interest in Washington was Boston could give him a place to start for a year (possibly including after an extension). So then after that year filling in for Tatum's spot he could then be flipped for something else later where he could start elsewhere. So ie basically an opportunity to buy a bit on the low side and sell on the higher one, while both parties (PJW/Boston) get something they want out of it for a year. Other than that he's just a fine player not anything I'm looking for long term.

You gotta go read our board, lol. I've been pushing that for days. The basis isn't new at all, but PJ/Klay makes the most sense now with Tatum gone, imo. Klay we either pay to dump this year or replace Hauser with and flip as an expiring next summer.

Oh I don't want Klay at all lol. This Boston team already has a creeping case of old age for a bunch of the roster they need a little more youth/length/athleticism.

I'd be a little surprised to see Jrue bring back clean expirings at all, let alone starter level ones. It would probably have to be Klay/PJ with Boston throwing in the 28th pick. Hard to characterize Jrue's 30 mill/year for the next three years as anything but a bad contract

[165bows]

You gotta go read our board, lol. I've been pushing that for days. The basis isn't new at all, but PJ/Klay makes the most sense now with Tatum gone, imo. Klay we either pay to dump this year or replace Hauser with and flip as an expiring next summer.

Oh I don't want Klay at all lol. This Boston team already has a creeping case of old age for a bunch of the roster they need a little more youth/length/athleticism.

I'd be a little surprised to see Jrue bring back clean expirings at all, let alone starter level ones. It would probably have to be Klay/PJ with Boston throwing in the 28th pick. Hard to characterize Jrue's 30 mill/year for the next three years as anything but a bad contract

As I've said many times on here this spring (and as Smitty just tweeted recently), I don't see Jrue as a negative deal. So no I don't expect he would necessarily bring back two guys like Gafford/Washington but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring back at least one, especially of that mid-low grade starter type.

Ie, are either of those guys even slated to start for their own team? Def wouldn't on a healthy Boston team, whereas Jrue is and would be again next year tax issues not withstanding. So I think that says it right there.

[Texas Chuck]

Agree BRK should sell their cap space, and yes, they have 3 or 4 players that they'd easily part with or cut or whatever. I still don't think BRK would contemplate trading for 3 backup level players that would still leave it with $50M+ they'd have to spend. BRK will be much more interested in large expiring contracts.

Yeah looks I communicated my thoughts poorly. I agree this specific deal probably isn't the right one for Brooklyn. I was more speaking to your point about them having no roster spots and difficulty getting to the floor. That's not an issue at all. Plenty of dead weight to dump and you can do balloon deals with ease. But I suspect with all the apron teams looking to upgrade this off-season there will be no shortage of 3rd team in deals where they don't have to take any deals longer than one year or be able to get even more assets if they take on money into 26-27.

[mademan]

Oh I don't want Klay at all lol. This Boston team already has a creeping case of old age for a bunch of the roster they need a little more youth/length/athleticism.

I'd be a little surprised to see Jrue bring back clean expirings at all, let alone starter level ones. It would probably have to be Klay/PJ with Boston throwing in the 28th pick. Hard to characterize Jrue's 30 mill/year for the next three years as anything but a bad contract

As I've said many times on here this spring (and as Smitty just tweeted recently), I don't see Jrue as a negative deal. So no I don't expect he would necessarily bring back two guys like Gafford/Washington but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring back at least one, especially of that mid-low grade starter type.

Ie, are either of those guys even slated to start for their own team? Def wouldn't on a healthy Boston team, whereas Jrue is and would be again next year tax issues not withstanding. So I think that says it right there.

That's just need. PJ would certainly start for Boston next year, and both would start on multiple teams.

It's very difficult to sell Jrue as anything but a bad contract. He had his worst season since he was a rookie, his defense slipped this year and he currently provides little offensive creation value while not really being a dead eye shooter. Having your worst season at 34 and then having 3 more years at 30+ mill in a new environment that punishes poor use of the cap...yeesh

Like ya, he's a past champion and has a lot of prestige, and you might find a team thats desperate for him and doesnt care about the cap (Clippers?), but he carries a lot of risk. You have to bet on him not being washed and that he's gonna turn it around next year at 35. Who would feel comfortable making that bet? Then who would pay positive value to make that bet?

[djFan71]

Oh I don't want Klay at all lol. This Boston team already has a creeping case of old age for a bunch of the roster they need a little more youth/length/athleticism.

I'd be a little surprised to see Jrue bring back clean expirings at all, let alone starter level ones. It would probably have to be Klay/PJ with Boston throwing in the 28th pick. Hard to characterize Jrue's 30 mill/year for the next three years as anything but a bad contract

As I've said many times on here this spring (and as Smitty just tweeted recently), I don't see Jrue as a negative deal. So no I don't expect he would necessarily bring back two guys like Gafford/Washington but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring back at least one, especially of that mid-low grade starter type.

Ie, are either of those guys even slated to start for their own team? Def wouldn't on a healthy Boston team, whereas Jrue is and would be again next year tax issues not withstanding. So I think that says it right there.

I see a Jrue as positive as well. I guess you just view Klay and PJ more negatively than I. I think PJ is a quality rotation guy and positive value, Klay is neutral to tiny neg ballast. We can use him a year, then flip. Those 2 and saving the extra years seems about right to me. There is some cost to saving $50m.

[Texas Chuck]

I love Smitty, but we all know when it comes to Boston or Orlando, he's not completely objective. I wouldn't have him setting the valuation on Jrue.

[165bows]

I'd be a little surprised to see Jrue bring back clean expirings at all, let alone starter level ones. It would probably have to be Klay/PJ with Boston throwing in the 28th pick. Hard to characterize Jrue's 30 mill/year for the next three years as anything but a bad contract

As I've said many times on here this spring (and as Smitty just tweeted recently), I don't see Jrue as a negative deal. So no I don't expect he would necessarily bring back two guys like Gafford/Washington but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring back at least one, especially of that mid-low grade starter type.

Ie, are either of those guys even slated to start for their own team? Def wouldn't on a healthy Boston team, whereas Jrue is and would be again next year tax issues not withstanding. So I think that says it right there.

I see a Jrue as positive as well. I guess you just view Klay and PJ more negatively than I. I think PJ is a quality rotation guy and positive value, Klay is neutral to tiny neg ballast. We can use him a year, then flip. Those 2 and saving the extra years seems about right to me. There is some cost to saving $50m.

We will just have to wait and see!

[oldncreaky]

Agree BRK should sell their cap space, and yes, they have 3 or 4 players that they'd easily part with or cut or whatever. I still don't think BRK would contemplate trading for 3 backup level players that would still leave it with $50M+ they'd have to spend. BRK will be much more interested in large expiring contracts.

Yeah looks I communicated my thoughts poorly. I agree this specific deal probably isn't the right one for Brooklyn. I was more speaking to your point about them having no roster spots and difficulty getting to the floor. That's not an issue at all. Plenty of dead weight to dump and you can do balloon deals with ease. But I suspect with all the apron teams looking to upgrade this off-season there will be no shortage of 3rd team in deals where they don't have to take any deals longer than one year or be able to get even more assets if they take on money into 26-27.

DET went into the 2024-25 off-season needing to spend about $42M to reach the salary floor, and walked out with a couple of negative-value contracts adding to $30M (Harris, Fontecchio) that they'd need to add a small incentive to move today. DET GM Langdon found that other teams had the leverage (i.e. were willing to wait him out) because DET had to move/trade by opening night, while all the other teams looking to shed salary had the option to wait until the TDL. Overall, I think Langdon did well -- at least overall his moves were at least neutral -- but the assets acquired were mostly adding to a pile of SRPs.

BRK goes into this off-season needing to add $62M. Most teams with expiring contracts will hold on to them for TDL opportunities. Balloon deals like Bruce Brown are negative the moment they are signed. IMO It will be really easy for BRK to use the money, but devilishly hard to add money that isn't a negative contract in July 2026.

[Texas Chuck]

Detroit didn't add assets, they added adults to the room(don't forget the salary they added in the THJ/Grimes deal) who helped them become competitive. I think Detroit regrets none of that.

Brooklyn is different. Their Cade is nowhere in sight. So I'd prioritize asset accumulation over all else. And I feel really good about them being able to use their space to do so.

[djFan71]

As I've said many times on here this spring (and as Smitty just tweeted recently), I don't see Jrue as a negative deal. So no I don't expect he would necessarily bring back two guys like Gafford/Washington but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring back at least one, especially of that mid-low grade starter type.

Ie, are either of those guys even slated to start for their own team? Def wouldn't on a healthy Boston team, whereas Jrue is and would be again next year tax issues not withstanding. So I think that says it right there.

I see a Jrue as positive as well. I guess you just view Klay and PJ more negatively than I. I think PJ is a quality rotation guy and positive value, Klay is neutral to tiny neg ballast. We can use him a year, then flip. Those 2 and saving the extra years seems about right to me. There is some cost to saving $50m.

We will just have to wait and see!

I'm not sure we're far enough apart for that, lol. If it's PJ/Gafford, I'm psyched. If it's PJ/Klay, I'm happy.