UTA/PHX

[KdoubleDees23]

I think the Suns do counter offer with Jalen Green + 10th pick for Walker Kessler + Colin Sexton. The Suns need a starting level center and Bradley Beal is not going to approve a trade to the Jazz.

Green is here to stay. Hes 23 years old.

[Xman]

[quote="AingesBurner"][quote="Xman"]I agree with the buyout. I think that is the only way Beal allows a trade.
I think phx adds 29 and doesn’t get 21 though.
Plus, phx would want one center.[/quote]

#29 and #10 or just #29?[/quote]

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski, maybe a few seconds.
Utah in: Beal and #10 and 29

Phoenix out: Beal, 10, 29
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski

Beal takes a buyout with 10-15 million discount in 26-27. Beal can make more when he signs a veteran minimum deal, or even more.
Still, 90 million is a lot, thus two picks coming in and none out from Utah.

[AingesBurner]

I agree with the buyout. I think that is the only way Beal allows a trade.
I think phx adds 29 and doesn’t get 21 though.
Plus, phx would want one center.

#29 and #10 or just #29?

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski, maybe a few seconds.
Utah in: Beal and #10 and 29

Phoenix out: Beal, 10, 29
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski

Beal takes a buyout with 10-15 million discount in 26-27. Beal can make more when he signs a veteran minimum deal, or even more.
Still, 90 million is a lot, thus two picks coming in and none out from Utah.

I can dig.

[Daddy 801]

Easy pass for Utah unless a lot more is coming back. Only delusional GM fans who don’t think about signing a 120 million dollar check would be even remotely ok with this type of deal.

It would have to be multiple unprotected picks, and Utah not sending any picks back.

Bananas proposal.

[AingesBurner]

Easy pass for Utah unless a lot more is coming back. Only delusional GM fans who don’t think about signing a 120 million dollar check would be even remotely ok with this type of deal.

It would have to be multiple unprotected picks, and Utah not sending any picks back.

Bananas proposal.

Hey, fair enough, I have been accused of Homer goggles lately. Still think it’s something Utah should explore.

[Daddy 801]

Easy pass for Utah unless a lot more is coming back. Only delusional GM fans who don’t think about signing a 120 million dollar check would be even remotely ok with this type of deal.

It would have to be multiple unprotected picks, and Utah not sending any picks back.

Bananas proposal.

Hey, fair enough, I have been accused of Homer goggles lately. Still think it’s something Utah should explore.

All good. I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. But just imagine writing a check for $120,000,000 for the 10th pick of a draft? Yeah…not happening.

[Mavrelous]

Easy pass for Utah unless a lot more is coming back. Only delusional GM fans who don’t think about signing a 120 million dollar check would be even remotely ok with this type of deal.

It would have to be multiple unprotected picks, and Utah not sending any picks back.

Bananas proposal.

Hey, fair enough, I have been accused of Homer goggles lately. Still think it’s something Utah should explore.

All good. I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. But just imagine writing a check for $120,000,000 for the 10th pick of a draft? Yeah…not happening.

Go back few years ago, OKC ate washed Kemba Walkers last 2 years amd gave back useful Horford for pick #16 (later traded to HOU and became Sengun), it's not unprecedented.

[SkyHook]

Hey, fair enough, I have been accused of Homer goggles lately. Still think it’s something Utah should explore.

All good. I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. But just imagine writing a check for $120,000,000 for the 10th pick of a draft? Yeah…not happening.

Go back few years ago, OKC ate washed Kemba Walkers last 2 years amd gave back useful Horford for pick #16 (later traded to HOU and became Sengun), it's not unprecedented.

Kemba gave up over 27% of the balance of his contract. Is Beal giving up $30MM?

[babyjax13]

I agree with the buyout. I think that is the only way Beal allows a trade.
I think phx adds 29 and doesn’t get 21 though.
Plus, phx would want one center.

#29 and #10 or just #29?

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski, maybe a few seconds.
Utah in: Beal and #10 and 29

Phoenix out: Beal, 10, 29
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski

Beal takes a buyout with 10-15 million discount in 26-27. Beal can make more when he signs a veteran minimum deal, or even more.
Still, 90 million is a lot, thus two picks coming in and none out from Utah.

No way am I adding Filipowski or George to this.

[Daddy 801]

Hey, fair enough, I have been accused of Homer goggles lately. Still think it’s something Utah should explore.

All good. I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. But just imagine writing a check for $120,000,000 for the 10th pick of a draft? Yeah…not happening.

Go back few years ago, OKC ate washed Kemba Walkers last 2 years amd gave back useful Horford for pick #16 (later traded to HOU and became Sengun), it's not unprecedented.

What was the difference in cost for the team?

Think the new CBA that is much more restrictive plays a roll? I personally do. Dumping deals costs more now…or should cost more now IMO.

[bkohler]

All good. I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. But just imagine writing a check for $120,000,000 for the 10th pick of a draft? Yeah…not happening.

Go back few years ago, OKC ate washed Kemba Walkers last 2 years amd gave back useful Horford for pick #16 (later traded to HOU and became Sengun), it's not unprecedented.

What was the difference in cost for the team?

Think the new CBA that is much more restrictive plays a roll? I personally do. Dumping deals costs more now…or should cost more now IMO.

This is something that I think is missing in this conversation. It’s not like you’re paying an extra 50M a year. You’re going to pay that 50M a year regardless; buyouts don’t remove them from your payroll just your roster. So would I rather pay 50M for Collins/Sexton/Clarkson or pay 50M to tell Beal to go away and sign some minimum fliers and give a lot more minutes to your young guys?

It’s literally the same check you’re writing either way.

[jredsaz]

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21
Utah in: Beal and #10

Phoenix out: Beal and #21
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21

Why for Utah: Get another lotto pick

Why for Phoenix: Clean their books for next season

Why for Beal: Utah buys him out

I think the only way this works is that adding 10+5+assets gets Utah #2. Also, Filipowski instead of George. Probably need Sexton and/or Collins going to other teams for value for the Jazz.

[jredsaz]

I agree with the buyout. I think that is the only way Beal allows a trade.
I think phx adds 29 and doesn’t get 21 though.
Plus, phx would want one center.

#29 and #10 or just #29?

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski, maybe a few seconds.
Utah in: Beal and #10 and 29

Phoenix out: Beal, 10, 29
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski

Beal takes a buyout with 10-15 million discount in 26-27. Beal can make more when he signs a veteran minimum deal, or even more.
Still, 90 million is a lot, thus two picks coming in and none out from Utah.

I really liked Sexton for the Suns before today. If he can get flipped for value, including a first in this draft, this makes sense.

[babyjax13]

UTA trades: John Collins, Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson
in: Bradley Beal, 10

DAL trades: Daniel Gafford
in: Collin Sexton

PHX trades: Bradley Beal, 10
in: John Collins, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Clarkson

Filler spread around as needed.

Whatever team is taking Beal for expirings is just agreeing to light 51 million dollars on fire. I think that makes sense for some teams, but fair compensation is not sending back Filipowski, George, 21, etc. It is moving players that are not in the long-term plans.

[babyjax13]

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21
Utah in: Beal and #10

Phoenix out: Beal and #21
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21

Why for Utah: Get another lotto pick

Why for Phoenix: Clean their books for next season

Why for Beal: Utah buys him out

I think the only way this works is that adding 10+5+assets gets Utah #2. Also, Filipowski instead of George. Probably need Sexton and/or Collins going to other teams for value for the Jazz.

I don't see a chance we include Filipowski or 21. I don't really think we'd include George, either. $50 million off the books next season + actual rotation players has to be worth 10, IMO, and Sexton could go to a third team for a center.

[Mavrelous]

All good. I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. But just imagine writing a check for $120,000,000 for the 10th pick of a draft? Yeah…not happening.

Go back few years ago, OKC ate washed Kemba Walkers last 2 years amd gave back useful Horford for pick #16 (later traded to HOU and became Sengun), it's not unprecedented.

Kemba gave up over 27% of the balance of his contract. Is Beal giving up $30MM?

Obviousely I don't know that, and I don't knownif it was part of the trade or not.

[Daddy 801]

Go back few years ago, OKC ate washed Kemba Walkers last 2 years amd gave back useful Horford for pick #16 (later traded to HOU and became Sengun), it's not unprecedented.

What was the difference in cost for the team?

Think the new CBA that is much more restrictive plays a roll? I personally do. Dumping deals costs more now…or should cost more now IMO.

This is something that I think is missing in this conversation. It’s not like you’re paying an extra 50M a year. You’re going to pay that 50M a year regardless; buyouts don’t remove them from your payroll just your roster. So would I rather pay 50M for Collins/Sexton/Clarkson or pay 50M to tell Beal to go away and sign some minimum fliers and give a lot more minutes to your young guys?

It’s literally the same check you’re writing either way.

I’d rather use the capspace on something that has the potential to convey higher than #10.

[zimpy27]

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21
Utah in: Beal and #10

Phoenix out: Beal and #21
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21

Why for Utah: Get another lotto pick

Why for Phoenix: Clean their books for next season

Why for Beal: Utah buys him out

Beal+10
for
Lauri

This looks right

[babyjax13]

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21
Utah in: Beal and #10

Phoenix out: Beal and #21
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21

Why for Utah: Get another lotto pick

Why for Phoenix: Clean their books for next season

Why for Beal: Utah buys him out

Beal+10
for
Lauri

This looks right

Not in a million years lol

[jredsaz]

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21
Utah in: Beal and #10

Phoenix out: Beal and #21
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21

Why for Utah: Get another lotto pick

Why for Phoenix: Clean their books for next season

Why for Beal: Utah buys him out

I think the only way this works is that adding 10+5+assets gets Utah #2. Also, Filipowski instead of George. Probably need Sexton and/or Collins going to other teams for value for the Jazz.

I don't see a chance we include Filipowski or 21. I don't really think we'd include George, either. $50 million off the books next season + actual rotation players has to be worth 10, IMO, and Sexton could go to a third team for a center.

Again, it’s all based on the Jazz wanting to move up to #2. If this trade doesn’t get them there or they don’t value #2 it doesn’t make sense