What happens to Beal?

[zimpy27]

Would stretching Beal get Phoenix under the 2nd apron?

They can get like $20m under the tax line if the stretch and waive Beal. They can reset repeater and add an MLE player.

I think it's pretty tempting for them.

I don't think that's right can you show the numbers? I've got the Suns at $218.7 million for 2025-26. Stretching Beal would be about $22 million for 5 years, unless you can get him to take less but why would he.

That puts them at $187 million approx. That's with 10 guys not counting draft picks. That's at the tax line for 2025-26 right. I've got the tax line at $187.9 million. According to Sportrac.

Beal (54)
Booker (53)
Green (33)
Brooks (21)
Dunn (3)
Allen (17)
O'Neale (10)
Oso (2)
#10, #29, #52, #59 (11)

That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m.
That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line). So they would go over 2nd apron without a trade.

By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.

They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.

Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.

[redslastlaugh]

Beal + 10 for Markannen
Beal +29 for Ball and Vucevic
Beal + 10 for CamJo and Claxton (I dont like this)
Beal + 10 for Zion and Olynyk
Beal + 29 for Grant and RWilliams
Beal + 10 for Sabonis

I don't see any team taking Beal and just getting #10, they'd have to be sending back bad salary and be in a position to eat that salary and not care about winning for 2 years.

Maybe Philly would consider Beal +10 for Paul George, maybe. To get off the deal a year early. But Philly may not even be interested, bc Paul George is still better on the court than Brad Beal right now.

Edit: Actually, 3yrs more yrs of Paul George is probably worse than two more of Bradley Beal right now. So yea, maybe Philly would take him for Paul George. Otherwise, I can't think of a good deal that is realistic

[thamadkant]

Beal + 10 for Markannen
Beal +29 for Ball and Vucevic
Beal + 10 for CamJo and Claxton (I dont like this)
Beal + 10 for Zion and Olynyk
Beal + 29 for Grant and RWilliams
Beal + 10 for Sabonis

None of them are good.

Keeping Beal until he's an expiring is the smartest choice.

But Ishiba thinks Suns are an MLE player away from competing. The delusion is severe in the pathetic owner.

[Fo-Real]

They can get like $20m under the tax line if the stretch and waive Beal. They can reset repeater and add an MLE player.

I think it's pretty tempting for them.

I don't think that's right can you show the numbers? I've got the Suns at $218.7 million for 2025-26. Stretching Beal would be about $22 million for 5 years, unless you can get him to take less but why would he.

That puts them at $187 million approx. That's with 10 guys not counting draft picks. That's at the tax line for 2025-26 right. I've got the tax line at $187.9 million. According to Sportrac.

Beal (54)
Booker (53)
Green (33)
Brooks (21)
Dunn (3)
Allen (17)
O'Neale (10)
Oso (2)
#10, #29, #52, #59 (11)

That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m.
That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line).

By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.

They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.

Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.

Are Nick richards and Cody Martin supposed to be on that list?

[zimpy27]

I don't think that's right can you show the numbers? I've got the Suns at $218.7 million for 2025-26. Stretching Beal would be about $22 million for 5 years, unless you can get him to take less but why would he.

That puts them at $187 million approx. That's with 10 guys not counting draft picks. That's at the tax line for 2025-26 right. I've got the tax line at $187.9 million. According to Sportrac.

Beal (54)
Booker (53)
Green (33)
Brooks (21)
Dunn (3)
Allen (17)
O'Neale (10)
Oso (2)
#10, #29, #52, #59 (11)

That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m.
That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line).

By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.

They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.

Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.

Are Nick richards and Cody Martin supposed to be on that list?

They are not guaranteed, can be waived for nothing.

[psman2]

Beal + 10 for Markannen
Beal +29 for Ball and Vucevic
Beal + 10 for CamJo and Claxton (I dont like this)
Beal + 10 for Zion and Olynyk
Beal + 29 for Grant and RWilliams
Beal + 10 for Sabonis

I don't see any team taking Beal and just getting #10, they'd have to be sending back bad salary and be in a position to eat that salary and not care about winning for 2 years.

Maybe Philly would consider Beal +10 for Paul George, maybe. To get off the deal a year early. But Philly may not even be interested, bc Paul George is still better on the court than Brad Beal right now.

Edit: Actually, 3yrs more yrs of Paul George is probably worse than two more of Bradley Beal right now. So yea, maybe Philly would take him for Paul George. Otherwise, I can't think of a good deal that is realistic

For Memphis I would trade for George way before even thinking about trading for Beal. I don't think Philly would swap George for Beal either, much higher upside to see if George bounces back. I think Dame is the only contract worse than Beal at this point in time. Phx should take the insurance money for a year and then hope Dame bounces back if Milw is up for the swap.

[zimpy27]

Is there something like..

DJM and salary to Phoenix
Beal, maybe smaller salary, 2028 worst of-first, 3rd team minor asset to NOP
CJM to third team

Dallas sending Gafford to Phoenix, Phoenix adding 29th to NOP? Then figuring out the other salary Dallas sends since neither side would really want Klay.. Martin+Hardy+Powell split up? Or a fourth team that sort of wants Klay’s spacing?

But could be different team than Dallas?

Reporting from Suns suggests that Booker-Green-Brooks is the starting 1-3.

I think a Beal deal needs to be around a big.

[redslastlaugh]

Can Phoenix trade #10 and #29 in this draft? Or I guess they could pick for the counterparty and announce the trade after the draft.

If Phoenix is willing to give 10 and 29 and even the five second round picks they just acquired, then maybe they could find a deal. And, again, Brad Beal has to want to go to the new team or it's a moot point.

But, if the Suns are willing to move their draft picks... I dunno, it seems possible they could figure something out, there's a lot of dead money on teams books. Like would Denver do MPJ, Saric, Nnaji, and Hunter Tyson for Bradley Beal plus picks?

Edit: Actually, 3yrs more yrs of Paul George is probably worse than two more of Bradley Beal right now. So yea, maybe Philly would take him for Paul George. Otherwise, I can't think of a good deal that is realistic

For Memphis I would trade for George way before even thinking about trading for Beal. I don't think Philly would swap George for Beal either, much higher upside to see if George bounces back. I think Dame is the only contract worse than Beal at this point in time. Phx should take the insurance money for a year and then hope Dame bounces back if Milw is up for the swap.

[Snakebites]

Would stretching Beal get Phoenix under the 2nd apron?

They can get like $20m under the tax line if the stretch and waive Beal. They can reset repeater and add an MLE player.

I think it's pretty tempting for them.

What’s the longer term cap implications of that though? There’s a reason stretching contracts that big generally doesn’t happen.

[redslastlaugh]

Would stretching Beal get Phoenix under the 2nd apron?

They can get like $20m under the tax line if the stretch and waive Beal. They can reset repeater and add an MLE player.

I think it's pretty tempting for them.

What’s the longer term cap implications of that though? There’s a reason stretching contracts that big generally doesn’t happen.

Matt Ishbia wastes so much money, lol

How do get that rich without any money sense?? lol

[MotownMadness]

Is there something like..

DJM and salary to Phoenix
Beal, maybe smaller salary, 2028 worst of-first, 3rd team minor asset to NOP
CJM to third team

Dallas sending Gafford to Phoenix, Phoenix adding 29th to NOP? Then figuring out the other salary Dallas sends since neither side would really want Klay.. Martin+Hardy+Powell split up? Or a fourth team that sort of wants Klay’s spacing?

But could be different team than Dallas?

Reporting from Suns suggests that Booker-Green-Brooks is the starting 1-3.

I think a Beal deal needs to be around a big.

They probably draft Queen

[jayjaysee]

Is there something like..

DJM and salary to Phoenix
Beal, maybe smaller salary, 2028 worst of-first, 3rd team minor asset to NOP
CJM to third team

Dallas sending Gafford to Phoenix, Phoenix adding 29th to NOP? Then figuring out the other salary Dallas sends since neither side would really want Klay.. Martin+Hardy+Powell split up? Or a fourth team that sort of wants Klay’s spacing?

But could be different team than Dallas?

Reporting from Suns suggests that Booker-Green-Brooks is the starting 1-3.

I think a Beal deal needs to be around a big.

By the time DJM can play, the Suns will have accepted how bad an idea it is to start Green at the 1?

[zimpy27]

Would stretching Beal get Phoenix under the 2nd apron?

They can get like $20m under the tax line if the stretch and waive Beal. They can reset repeater and add an MLE player.

I think it's pretty tempting for them.

What’s the longer term cap implications of that though? There’s a reason stretching contracts that big generally doesn’t happen.

Well the dead money would start at like 12.5% of cap next season and drop to 11.5% in 26-27, 10.5% in 27-28, 9.5% in 28-29, 8.5% in 29-30.

So it drops quickly to about MLE range.

I don't know if it's a big deal tbh. It makes it harder but not impossible to contend. Add that MLE money to OKC or Pacers this season.

[zimpy27]

Is there something like..

DJM and salary to Phoenix
Beal, maybe smaller salary, 2028 worst of-first, 3rd team minor asset to NOP
CJM to third team

Dallas sending Gafford to Phoenix, Phoenix adding 29th to NOP? Then figuring out the other salary Dallas sends since neither side would really want Klay.. Martin+Hardy+Powell split up? Or a fourth team that sort of wants Klay’s spacing?

But could be different team than Dallas?

Reporting from Suns suggests that Booker-Green-Brooks is the starting 1-3.

I think a Beal deal needs to be around a big.

By the time DJM can play, the Suns will have accepted how bad an idea it is to start Green at the 1?

Haha I don't disagree with you but this seems to be the plan

[Snakebites]

They can get like $20m under the tax line if the stretch and waive Beal. They can reset repeater and add an MLE player.

I think it's pretty tempting for them.

What’s the longer term cap implications of that though? There’s a reason stretching contracts that big generally doesn’t happen.

Well the dead money would start at like 12.5% of cap next season and drop to 11.5% in 26-27, 10.5% in 27-28, 9.5% in 28-29, 8.5% in 29-30.

So it drops quickly to about MLE range.

I don't know if it's a big deal tbh. It makes it harder but not impossible to contend. Add that MLE money to OKC or Pacers this season.

I dunno. I think 10 percent of the cap existing in the form of untradable dead money is a pretty significant thing.

Particularly when under the status quo they’re off the hook entirely in two years instead of 5.

The Pistons were still paying Josh Smith in 2020. Not a good time.

[Godaddycurse]

Bad idea?

Phoenix trade: Beal, Richards (separate deal into tax MLE), 10
Phoenix receive: Gafford, Barrett, Martin, 26, 39

Dallas trade: Gafford, Klay, Martin
Dallas receive: IQ, Richards

Toronto trade: Barrett, IQ, 39
Toronto receive: Beal, 19, 27

Brooklyn trade: 19, 26, 27
Brookyln receive: Klay, 10

Why for Phoenix: Turns Beal into 3 rotation players in the wing/front court
Why for Dallas: add a PG who can play off kyrie eventually
Why for Toronto: free up playing time for their trio of young SGs and reset capsheet in 2 years (assume ingram opts out).
Why for Brooklyn: consolidate for a lotto pick
Why for Beal: start on a team competing for playoffs in weak east

Gafford
Martin
Barrett
Green
Booker

Lively
AD
Flagg
IQ
Kyrie

Poeltl
Barnes
Ingram
Agbaji
Beal

[nolaPELSfan]

Beal, O'Neale, Micic, #10, some 2nds or a protected 1st
for
Dejounte, Olynyk, Alvarado, Hawkins

[Xman]

Posted in other thread : Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski, maybe a few seconds.
Utah in: Beal and #10 and 29

Phoenix out: Beal, 10, 29
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, Filipowski, maybe seconds.

Beal takes a buyout with 10-15 million discount in 26-27. Beal can make more when he signs a veteran minimum deal, or even more. Probably hangs out until January and then joins a top team on ring chase.
Still, 90 million is a lot, thus two picks coming in and none out from Utah(except seconds maybe).

[zimpy27]

What’s the longer term cap implications of that though? There’s a reason stretching contracts that big generally doesn’t happen.

Well the dead money would start at like 12.5% of cap next season and drop to 11.5% in 26-27, 10.5% in 27-28, 9.5% in 28-29, 8.5% in 29-30.

So it drops quickly to about MLE range.

I don't know if it's a big deal tbh. It makes it harder but not impossible to contend. Add that MLE money to OKC or Pacers this season.

I dunno. I think 10 percent of the cap existing in the form of untradable dead money is a pretty significant thing.

Particularly when under the status quo they’re off the hook entirely in two years instead of 5.

The Pistons were still paying Josh Smith in 2020. Not a good time.

By resetting their repeater tax they will save money.

Repeater rate for $22m over tax next 3 seasons for Suns is $330m in tax.
If Suns drop below tax and jump back to $22m over tax next 2 seasons then the tax is $110m.

So Suns save like $220m over next 3 years in this scenario. An extra $15m from the dead salary isn't going to save that amount.

[Snakebites]

Well the dead money would start at like 12.5% of cap next season and drop to 11.5% in 26-27, 10.5% in 27-28, 9.5% in 28-29, 8.5% in 29-30.

So it drops quickly to about MLE range.

I don't know if it's a big deal tbh. It makes it harder but not impossible to contend. Add that MLE money to OKC or Pacers this season.

I dunno. I think 10 percent of the cap existing in the form of untradable dead money is a pretty significant thing.

Particularly when under the status quo they’re off the hook entirely in two years instead of 5.

The Pistons were still paying Josh Smith in 2020. Not a good time.

By resetting their repeater tax they will save money.

Repeater rate for $22m over tax next 3 seasons for Suns is $330m in tax.
If Suns drop below tax and jump back to $22m over tax next 2 seasons then the tax is $110m.

So Suns save like $220m over next 3 years in this scenario. An extra $15m from the dead salary isn't going to save that amount.

If we’re purely talking about money in the owners pocket I see your POV. It’s lousy from a team building perspective though. At least in my opinion.