(Shams) DLo to Mavs

[The-Power]

I understand DLo is a controversial player but I find it reall hard dislike this deal for the Mavs.

[zimpy27]

Those guys aren't better. Jones doesn't turn the ball over, but offers little punch. Brogdon maybe a slightly better version, but never healthy. Wright is a terrible offensive player and Mann is unproven.

I get you don't like Russell. I'm not excited either. But he does things Dallas needs. And is a better option than your alternatives imo.

Yeah DLo is ideal. He even has plenty of experience with Davis already.

Hard to see where the dislike comes from.

DLo, Dinwiddie, Kyire
Christie, Klay, Hardy
Flagg, Naji, Martin
Davis, PJ, OMax
Gafford, Lively, Powell

[daoneandonly]

Those guys aren't better. Jones doesn't turn the ball over, but offers little punch. Brogdon maybe a slightly better version, but never healthy. Wright is a terrible offensive player and Mann is unproven.

I get you don't like Russell. I'm not excited either. But he does things Dallas needs. And is a better option than your alternatives imo.

Yeah DLo is ideal. He even has plenty of experience with Davis already.

Hard to see where the dislike comes from.

DLo, Dinwiddie, Kyire
Christie, Klay, Hardy
Flagg, Naji, Martin
Davis, PJ, OMax
Gafford, Lively, Powell

The dislike comes from his immaturity and terrible defense. Two things Nico complained about Luka in trading him

[Darren]

Those guys aren't better. Jones doesn't turn the ball over, but offers little punch. Brogdon maybe a slightly better version, but never healthy. Wright is a terrible offensive player and Mann is unproven.

I get you don't like Russell. I'm not excited either. But he does things Dallas needs. And is a better option than your alternatives imo.

Yeah DLo is ideal. He even has plenty of experience with Davis already.

Hard to see where the dislike comes from.

DLo, Dinwiddie, Kyire
Christie, Klay, Hardy
Flagg, Naji, Martin
Davis, PJ, OMax
Gafford, Lively, Powell

The dislike comes from his immaturity and terrible defense. Two things Nico complained about Luka in trading him

There is a difference in expectations between players who are being paid 5M and 50M per.

[daoneandonly]

Yeah DLo is ideal. He even has plenty of experience with Davis already.

Hard to see where the dislike comes from.

DLo, Dinwiddie, Kyire
Christie, Klay, Hardy
Flagg, Naji, Martin
Davis, PJ, OMax
Gafford, Lively, Powell

The dislike comes from his immaturity and terrible defense. Two things Nico complained about Luka in trading him

There is a difference in expectations between players who are being paid 5M and 50M per.[/quote]

It's hypocrisy. D lo is one of the worst defenders in the league and a piss poor attitude to boot. Him being the big FA signing is a failure

[Texas Chuck]

its not hypocrisy.

[daoneandonly]

its not hypocrisy.

How so? Outside of the conditioning concerns, D Lo is everything Nico criticized Luka about. Doesn't matter what the money is, especially when it's a guy playing significant minutes

[Texas Chuck]

its not hypocrisy.

How so? Outside of the conditioning concerns, D Lo is everything Nico criticized Luka about. Doesn't matter what the money is, especially when it's a guy playing significant minutes

He isn't being brought in to be a member of the core. He is literally the best player they can afford who can somewhat fill the role of offensive PG. He will move to a very reduced role when Kyrie returns. And you still have to score.

I get you are beaten down. But it serves nothing to just act like every decision is the worst ever. We are here. We have to accept that. And hope the team tries to improve from this place they shouldn't be. This is a small help. Nothing more.

[ReggiesKnicks]

its not hypocrisy.

How so? Outside of the conditioning concerns, D Lo is everything Nico criticized Luka about. Doesn't matter what the money is, especially when it's a guy playing significant minutes

Nico criticized Luka because he didn't want the face of the franchise to exhibit the traits Luka had or has.

That's sort of how culture works, you start from the Top and Best players and hope lesser role players, if not an ideal culture fit, fall in line.

You're entitled to your opinion here, but many, including myself and others, feel you are off-base.

[jayjaysee]

I think getting DLo for free is good. He will be a nice upgrade over Williams and should understand if he plays well he should be able to trick someone into paying him next offseason. Seems like a good opportunity for him and a nice bandaid for Dallas

But I think having 2 starting centers, 2 starting power forwards, and 3 small forwards that deserve minutes, while happily starting DLo and Klay is a bit bad..

[daoneandonly]

its not hypocrisy.

How so? Outside of the conditioning concerns, D Lo is everything Nico criticized Luka about. Doesn't matter what the money is, especially when it's a guy playing significant minutes

Nico criticized Luka because he didn't want the face of the franchise to exhibit the traits Luka had or has.

That's sort of how culture works, you start from the Top and Best players and hope lesser role players, if not an ideal culture fit, fall in line.

You're entitled to your opinion here, but many, including myself and others, feel you are off-base.

But unless I'm mistaken, I havent seen one fan of one of D-Lo's former team chime in and have positive things to say about him. I thought ZImp was a Lakers fan but an earlier thread revealed its more a LBJ thing. So fans of every team insist a guy is a losing basketball player, not to mention records and stats backing it up, is it a coincidence or a pattern that a GM shouldnt ignore?

[ReggiesKnicks]

How so? Outside of the conditioning concerns, D Lo is everything Nico criticized Luka about. Doesn't matter what the money is, especially when it's a guy playing significant minutes

Nico criticized Luka because he didn't want the face of the franchise to exhibit the traits Luka had or has.

That's sort of how culture works, you start from the Top and Best players and hope lesser role players, if not an ideal culture fit, fall in line.

You're entitled to your opinion here, but many, including myself and others, feel you are off-base.

But unless I'm mistaken, I havent seen one fan of one of D-Lo's former team chime in and have positive things to say about him. I thought ZImp was a Lakers fan but an earlier thread revealed its more a LBJ thing. So fans of every team insist a guy is a losing basketball player, not to mention records and stats backing it up, is it a coincidence or a pattern that a GM shouldnt ignore?

Dlo was paid a max contract and then ~20 Million while starting on the Lakers.

Fans reactions and emotions are tied to expectations.

[daoneandonly]

its not hypocrisy.

How so? Outside of the conditioning concerns, D Lo is everything Nico criticized Luka about. Doesn't matter what the money is, especially when it's a guy playing significant minutes

He isn't being brought in to be a member of the core. He is literally the best player they can afford who can somewhat fill the role of offensive PG. He will move to a very reduced role when Kyrie returns. And you still have to score.

I get you are beaten down. But it serves nothing to just act like every decision is the worst ever. We are here. We have to accept that. And hope the team tries to improve from this place they shouldn't be. This is a small help. Nothing more.

As jay mentioned, the roster construction is terrible, so i cant applaud that. I was initially upset about the Gaff deal, but quickly let that go after realizing that extending him didnt mean we couldnt trade him for a long stretch. PJ should also be extended IMO. My issue is Nico has these unhealthy and unwarranted attachments. He went after D-Lo not just because of a perceived need, but because he's buddies with his golden boy AD. Klay doesnt deserve a starting spot on any team in the association that wants to compete, let alone one with 2 guys already on the wrong side of 30, yet here we are. He's still here.

[Texas Chuck]

How so? Outside of the conditioning concerns, D Lo is everything Nico criticized Luka about. Doesn't matter what the money is, especially when it's a guy playing significant minutes

Nico criticized Luka because he didn't want the face of the franchise to exhibit the traits Luka had or has.

That's sort of how culture works, you start from the Top and Best players and hope lesser role players, if not an ideal culture fit, fall in line.

You're entitled to your opinion here, but many, including myself and others, feel you are off-base.

But unless I'm mistaken, I havent seen one fan of one of D-Lo's former team chime in and have positive things to say about him. I thought ZImp was a Lakers fan but an earlier thread revealed its more a LBJ thing. So fans of every team insist a guy is a losing basketball player, not to mention records and stats backing it up, is it a coincidence or a pattern that a GM shouldnt ignore?

Huh? Nobody is suggesting he's a great player. He's flawed. He showed some immaturity, but years ago, guys grow up and by all accounts he has.

But it doesn't make Harrison a hypocrite for signing him for cheap to fill a very specific hole for a very specific amount of time just because he doesn't play defense.

We had another poster seriously assert Delon Wright as a better option and he got a co-sign. But you and I both know from his stint here before he's far too timid on offense for what Dallas needs. But you seem to think Harrison should have signed him because he plays defense despite him not helping Dallas as much as Russell will.

Once we stop filtering everything through every word Niko Harrison says we can evaluate the Mavs moves more accurately. This is a minor, but necessary move. That's it. We don't have to read anything else into it lol.

[Texas Chuck]

He went after D-Lo not just because of a perceived need, but because he's buddies with his golden boy AD. .

You are just making this up though. We've all explained how he fills a need. And its a real need, not a perceived one. Your hatred clouds your thinking.

But tell me who Dallas should have signed with the TMLE. I'm open to there maybe being better options, after all Russell is what he is. But the suggestions I got from jax sucked even worse. Do you have a better realistic idea?

[psman2]

Nico criticized Luka because he didn't want the face of the franchise to exhibit the traits Luka had or has.

That's sort of how culture works, you start from the Top and Best players and hope lesser role players, if not an ideal culture fit, fall in line.

You're entitled to your opinion here, but many, including myself and others, feel you are off-base.

But unless I'm mistaken, I havent seen one fan of one of D-Lo's former team chime in and have positive things to say about him. I thought ZImp was a Lakers fan but an earlier thread revealed its more a LBJ thing. So fans of every team insist a guy is a losing basketball player, not to mention records and stats backing it up, is it a coincidence or a pattern that a GM shouldnt ignore?

Dlo was paid a max contract and then ~20 Million while starting on the Lakers.

Fans reactions and emotions are tied to expectations.

Yep...Roles and contract play a huge role in fans perception.

The opportunity cost of DLO is low in Dallas and the alternative options in this price range imo have a lower ceiling.

[daoneandonly]

He went after D-Lo not just because of a perceived need, but because he's buddies with his golden boy AD. .

You are just making this up though. We've all explained how he fills a need. And its a real need, not a perceived one. Your hatred clouds your thinking.

But tell me who Dallas should have signed with the TMLE. I'm open to there maybe being better options, after all Russell is what he is. But the suggestions I got from jax sucked even worse. Do you have a better realistic idea?

Well I have a lot of NBA TV playing in the background as I work on boring IT stuff, so I could have sworn I heard countless times the folks saying AD is happy to reunite with D-Lo, so dont think its far fetched to believe he floated the idea.

Its Nico job to find the best option. We have a glut at forward, a good GM would have worked tirelessly the phones to see what PG/G KLay Thompson or a Naji Marshall could return. I know I think more Naji than you do, but he's a solid player and absolutely would net a guy far better than D-Lo. Then use the TMLE to replace Naji with a lesser talent. I dont even believe Nico tried doing anything of the sort, he seemed zeroed in on D-Lo from the jump. Stein reported it was a wrap before this thing began

Agree on Delon though

[daoneandonly]

Nico criticized Luka because he didn't want the face of the franchise to exhibit the traits Luka had or has.

That's sort of how culture works, you start from the Top and Best players and hope lesser role players, if not an ideal culture fit, fall in line.

You're entitled to your opinion here, but many, including myself and others, feel you are off-base.

But unless I'm mistaken, I havent seen one fan of one of D-Lo's former team chime in and have positive things to say about him. I thought ZImp was a Lakers fan but an earlier thread revealed its more a LBJ thing. So fans of every team insist a guy is a losing basketball player, not to mention records and stats backing it up, is it a coincidence or a pattern that a GM shouldnt ignore?

Huh? Nobody is suggesting he's a great player. He's flawed. He showed some immaturity, but years ago, guys grow up and by all accounts he has.

But it doesn't make Harrison a hypocrite for signing him for cheap to fill a very specific hole for a very specific amount of time just because he doesn't play defense.

We had another poster seriously assert Delon Wright as a better option and he got a co-sign. But you and I both know from his stint here before he's far too timid on offense for what Dallas needs. But you seem to think Harrison should have signed him because he plays defense despite him not helping Dallas as much as Russell will.

Once we stop filtering everything through every word Niko Harrison says we can evaluate the Mavs moves more accurately. This is a minor, but necessary move. That's it. We don't have to read anything else into it lol.

This wasnt all that long ago, him pouting on his phone away from the team huddle because he got benched

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sHTpBmGxWfU

[psman2]

He went after D-Lo not just because of a perceived need, but because he's buddies with his golden boy AD. .

You are just making this up though. We've all explained how he fills a need. And its a real need, not a perceived one. Your hatred clouds your thinking.

But tell me who Dallas should have signed with the TMLE. I'm open to there maybe being better options, after all Russell is what he is. But the suggestions I got from jax sucked even worse. Do you have a better realistic idea?

Well I have a lot of NBA TV playing in the background as I work on boring IT stuff, so I could have sworn I heard countless times the folks saying AD is happy to reunite with D-Lo, so dont think its far fetched to believe he floated the idea.

Its Nico job to find the best option. We have a glut at forward, a good GM would have worked tirelessly the phones to see what PG/G KLay Thompson or a Naji Marshall could return. I know I think more Naji than you do, but he's a solid player and absolutely would net a guy far better than D-Lo. Then use the TMLE to replace Naji with a lesser talent. I dont even believe Nico tried doing anything of the sort, he seemed zeroed in on D-Lo from the jump. Stein reported it was a wrap before this thing began

Agree on Delon though

Why would the signing of Dlo prevent the shopping of Naji still? I really don't think after shooting 28% from 3 that teams are going to be offering up a much better guard for him. He was likely viewed as neutral to a slight positive. Now maybe you could have moved him into someone's exception and shopped with the full MLE? Outbid the Grizz on Ty Jerome? Got in on LeVert or Schroeder?

[daoneandonly]

You are just making this up though. We've all explained how he fills a need. And its a real need, not a perceived one. Your hatred clouds your thinking.

But tell me who Dallas should have signed with the TMLE. I'm open to there maybe being better options, after all Russell is what he is. But the suggestions I got from jax sucked even worse. Do you have a better realistic idea?

Well I have a lot of NBA TV playing in the background as I work on boring IT stuff, so I could have sworn I heard countless times the folks saying AD is happy to reunite with D-Lo, so dont think its far fetched to believe he floated the idea.

Its Nico job to find the best option. We have a glut at forward, a good GM would have worked tirelessly the phones to see what PG/G KLay Thompson or a Naji Marshall could return. I know I think more Naji than you do, but he's a solid player and absolutely would net a guy far better than D-Lo. Then use the TMLE to replace Naji with a lesser talent. I dont even believe Nico tried doing anything of the sort, he seemed zeroed in on D-Lo from the jump. Stein reported it was a wrap before this thing began

Agree on Delon though

Why would the signing of Dlo prevent the shopping of Naji still? I really don't think after shooting 28% from 3 that teams are going to be offering up a much better guard for him. He was likely viewed as neutral to a slight positive. Now maybe you could have moved him into someone's exception and shopped with the full MLE? Outbid the Grizz on Ty Jerome? Got in on LeVert or Schroeder?

Lavert and Jerome would be better options than D-Lo all things considering. And I was against the Klay signing last year, only thing I liked about it was getting rid of Josh Green. We've seen Klay has been a massive disappointment to no one's surprise except the Dallas FO, D-Lo will eb the same, just cheaper