Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins

[babyjax13]

Maybe? But all 2nds aren't created equally in this new environment. I mean Charlotte 2nd has a good chance of being 31-35. We just saw teams trading 3-4 2nds to get those picks.

I don't think it will be that low. Regardless, there is a level of variance there that makes just buying out Collins preferable, imo.

Of course there’s some variance, but outside of the Nets, I wouldn’t project this current Hornets team over anyone else.

Another thought here, Collins certainly won't give much up to get bought out. Guessing DeRozan would.

Idk, as long as they get a starting center I have them > Brooklyn, Chicago, Indiana, and Washington in the East (probably competing with Boston and Toronto?) and they should finish better than Utah and New Orleans in the West and perhaps Portland/Sacramento.

[Texas Chuck]

I remember when the Jazz insisted they were going to win this year. We still on that? Will Lauri make the playoffs while still in his prime? Or did he sell his chance for this paycheck?

Curious what the vision in Utah is. I guess its tank again and hope the 50% chance of a top 4 hits this time?

[LightTheBeam]

I don't think it will be that low. Regardless, there is a level of variance there that makes just buying out Collins preferable, imo.

Of course there’s some variance, but outside of the Nets, I wouldn’t project this current Hornets team over anyone else.

Another thought here, Collins certainly won't give much up to get bought out. Guessing DeRozan would.

Idk, as long as they get a starting center I have them > Brooklyn, Chicago, Indiana, and Washington in the East (probably competing with Boston and Toronto?) and they should finish better than Utah and New Orleans in the West and perhaps Portland/Sacramento.

Oh wow, ya we are way off on them. I don't think a Carlisle led team with still tons of talent falls off so hard.
Mcconnel, Nembard, Sheppard, Nesmith, Mathurin, Walker Toppin, Siakam, Jackson. I still have this team in at least the play-in.

Chicago is iffy, but they finished last year very promising.

Washington also iffy, but I think the youth is just as good, and they have wayy more veteran depth.

But I can see an argument for any of those teams outside Indiana/Boston (unless they decide to rest the stars).

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Maybe Ace Bailey good enough to give the jazz a direction. Some lotto odds will give him a running mate. Then Trade Lauri off when his value past his peak.

[babyjax13]

I remember when the Jazz insisted they were going to win this year. We still on that? Will Lauri make the playoffs while still in his prime? Or did he sell his chance for this paycheck?

Curious what the vision in Utah is. I guess its tank again and hope the 50% chance of a top 4 hits this time?

Given that we traded and bought out all our veteran guards, I think the plan is to lose. People complain about how bad the team was with George, but we were actually much worse with Colliers starting b/c he can't shoot.

Clayton/Collier
Sensabaugh/George
Bailey/Williams
Lauri/Collins
Kessler/Filipowski/Nurkic

Looks like a 25 win team to me?

[Godaddycurse]

I remember when the Jazz insisted they were going to win this year. We still on that? Will Lauri make the playoffs while still in his prime? Or did he sell his chance for this paycheck?

Curious what the vision in Utah is. I guess its tank again and hope the 50% chance of a top 4 hits this time?

Given that we traded and bought out all our veteran guards, I think the pan is to lose. People complain about how bad the team was with George, but we were actually much worse with Colliers starting b/c he can't shoot.

Clayton/Collier
Sensabaugh/George
Bailey/Williams
Lauri/Collins
Kessler/Filipowski/Nurkic

Looks like a 25 win team to me?

thats quite the generous projection

[babyjax13]

I remember when the Jazz insisted they were going to win this year. We still on that? Will Lauri make the playoffs while still in his prime? Or did he sell his chance for this paycheck?

Curious what the vision in Utah is. I guess its tank again and hope the 50% chance of a top 4 hits this time?

Given that we traded and bought out all our veteran guards, I think the pan is to lose. People complain about how bad the team was with George, but we were actually much worse with Colliers starting b/c he can't shoot.

Clayton/Collier
Sensabaugh/George
Bailey/Williams
Lauri/Collins
Kessler/Filipowski/Nurkic

Looks like a 25 win team to me?

thats quite the generous projection

If Lauri returns to form I don't think it is generous.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah that's a team that will only get to double digits because of other teams taking a rest night/tanking at the end of the year. 25 feels crazy high and I'd take the under hard.

[Godaddycurse]

Given that we traded and bought out all our veteran guards, I think the pan is to lose. People complain about how bad the team was with George, but we were actually much worse with Colliers starting b/c he can't shoot.

Clayton/Collier
Sensabaugh/George
Bailey/Williams
Lauri/Collins
Kessler/Filipowski/Nurkic

Looks like a 25 win team to me?

thats quite the generous projection

If Lauri returns to form I don't think it is generous.

If Lauri returns to form then he will be traded for futures imo. They wont let him sabotage their pick, esp when it goe sto OKC if outside of top 8

[Texas Chuck]

He can return to form, though very difficult with those pieces around him, but he's just not the level of player that swings 15 wins. I know you guys thought he was your Dirk, but he's just not that guy. At all.

[jayjaysee]

I think if Utah just wants to save money they can in a trade. Or if they want to take back worse money they can get a small asset.

But him alone is just an overpaid vet so wouldn’t expect him to have a real market.. don’t know this reporter but just seems like a nontopic.

[babyjax13]

thats quite the generous projection

If Lauri returns to form I don't think it is generous.

If Lauri returns to form then he will be traded for futures imo. They wont let him sabotage their pick, esp when it goe sto OKC if outside of top 8

That would be the hope.

[tester551]

Given that we traded and bought out all our veteran guards, I think the pan is to lose. People complain about how bad the team was with George, but we were actually much worse with Colliers starting b/c he can't shoot.

Clayton/Collier
Sensabaugh/George
Bailey/Williams
Lauri/Collins
Kessler/Filipowski/Nurkic

Looks like a 25 win team to me?

thats quite the generous projection

If Lauri returns to form I don't think it is generous.

Last year WAS Lauri returning to form. The '22-23 and '23-24 seasons were the aberration in his career...

[babyjax13]

He can return to form, though very difficult with those pieces around him, but he's just not the level of player that swings 15 wins. I know you guys thought he was your Dirk, but he's just not that guy. At all.

Well, it would be 6 wins.

Also I think it is worth noting that in his first two years Utah was 32-34 with him in 22-23 and 5-11 without him, and in 23-24 we were 22-33 with him, but 9-18 without him. If you also restrict the season both years to before the trade deadline we were 25-23 in 22-23 and 21-22 in 23-24 when he played (most games both seasons).

Also, again, you keep saying that we expected him to be our "Dirk", but you've taken that very out of context (which we've discussed at length before). As a fanbase we've hoped the entire time that he could be the second best player on a contender.

[babyjax13]

thats quite the generous projection

If Lauri returns to form I don't think it is generous.

Last year WAS Lauri returning to form. The '22-23 and '23-24 seasons were the aberration in his career...

Two year "aberrations" are not normal. One year flukes happen, but generally not two. Also, hard disagree. He really struggled with injuries and Utah had weird things going on. I get that you really hate Lauri's game since you say this in every thread where he is mentioned. I'm realistic enough to know that his value has declined dramatically, but in the right position he is an amazing player.

[Diop]

Josh Green and Pat Connaughton 2 seconds for Collins.

heck, i would give one of our crappy firsts so Ainge can save face. (that worst of 3-4 teams one which is sure to end up in the 20's)

[babyjax13]

Josh Green and Pat Connaughton 2 seconds for Collins.

heck, i would give one of our crappy firsts so Ainge can save face. (that worst of 3-4 teams one which is sure to end up in the 20's)

Done.

[Astaluego]

I like him on the SPURS, I think he complements Wemby well in the front court (Keldon + 2 SRPs?), I also like him on the Warriors (Moody/Kuminga ST for Collins + Svi and some SRPs?)

[balsamic_ducks]

He can return to form, though very difficult with those pieces around him, but he's just not the level of player that swings 15 wins. I know you guys thought he was your Dirk, but he's just not that guy. At all.

Also I think the fact that he’s NEVER played a playoff game despite being 28 is going to start factoring in. We have no idea how this guy will perform in the playoffs yet he’s almost 30. What team is going to pay major assets to find that out and pay him 50/yr?

[SlimShady83]

Kessler Collins to the Lakers, make it happen lols