Bam Adebayo would be the missing piece for the hornets.

[Mavrelous]

It becomes unprotected in 28, and Mabs are pretty fragile team.
Bam wasn't good offensively last year, he's not that premium of an asset, he's more valuable than Bane, but not by much.
Gobert went for 5 picks, and he's better and it was considered an overpay.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on what qualifies as a "premium" pick then. In my eyes, a pick that might be good in 3 years isn't a premium asset. Nor is a top-2 protected pick from a team that will be a play-in team at worst barring multiple catastrophic injuries.

You admit he's more valuable than Bane, and yet, offer less than Memphis got for Bane. I'm not sure how to square that circle.

Agree w/ gswhoops here.. Gobert went for MINN unprotected picks. Minny at the time had a prolonged period of mediocre/uninspiring record so there was more upside variance in their picks (esp considering goberts age). i think you need to include CHA's own picks to entice miami

They were a PO team with young core of KAT/ANT/McDaniels + other players....
The deal includes CHO own pick unprotected.

[Mavrelous]

BTW I wouldn't do the deal as CHO, because I don't trust Melo, but they seem to do.

[Godaddycurse]

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on what qualifies as a "premium" pick then. In my eyes, a pick that might be good in 3 years isn't a premium asset. Nor is a top-2 protected pick from a team that will be a play-in team at worst barring multiple catastrophic injuries.

You admit he's more valuable than Bane, and yet, offer less than Memphis got for Bane. I'm not sure how to square that circle.

Agree w/ gswhoops here.. Gobert went for MINN unprotected picks. Minny at the time had a prolonged period of mediocre/uninspiring record so there was more upside variance in their picks (esp considering goberts age). i think you need to include CHA's own picks to entice miami

They were a PO team with young core of KAT/ANT/McDaniels + other players....
The deal includes CHO own pick unprotected.

would need more than 1 of CHO own pick. 3 of their picks + MIA pick returned would make Miami think harder

[gswhoops]

Agree w/ gswhoops here.. Gobert went for MINN unprotected picks. Minny at the time had a prolonged period of mediocre/uninspiring record so there was more upside variance in their picks (esp considering goberts age). i think you need to include CHA's own picks to entice miami

They were a PO team with young core of KAT/ANT/McDaniels + other players....
The deal includes CHO own pick unprotected.

would need more than 1 of CHO own pick. 3 of their picks + MIA pick returned would make Miami think harder

Yeah I think at least one of Miller/Kon/CHA 2026 1st unprotected would need to be the "cornerstone" of the deal.

[BlazersBroncos]

They were a PO team with young core of KAT/ANT/McDaniels + other players....
The deal includes CHO own pick unprotected.

would need more than 1 of CHO own pick. 3 of their picks + MIA pick returned would make Miami think harder

Yeah I think at least one of Miller/Kon/CHA 2026 1st unprotected would need to be the "cornerstone" of the deal.

FWIW - I dont think adding Bam to a Melo run team does anything for CHA (I also dont think they go anywhere with Melo as captain of the ship) - that being said if they did target Bam IMO they would do everything to keep Miller as you want to add Bam to Melo / Miller - moving Miller sort of negates the idea of targeting Bam.

I think MIA should 100000% move Bam and truly rebuild - but they wont w/ Pat on board.

But, if they did I think the cost for CHA should be -

Kon, Salaun, 2026 FRP lightly protected (Top-4?) and MIA FRP returned.

[gswhoops]

would need more than 1 of CHO own pick. 3 of their picks + MIA pick returned would make Miami think harder

Yeah I think at least one of Miller/Kon/CHA 2026 1st unprotected would need to be the "cornerstone" of the deal.

FWIW - I dont think adding Bam to a Melo run team does anything for CHA (I also dont think they go anywhere with Melo as captain of the ship) - that being said if they did target Bam IMO they would do everything to keep Miller as you want to add Bam to Melo / Miller - moving Miller sort of negates the idea of targeting Bam.

I think MIA should 100000% move Bam and truly rebuild - but they wont w/ Pat on board.

But, if they did I think the cost for CHA should be -

Kon, Salaun, 2026 FRP lightly protected (Top-4?) and MIA FRP returned.

Oh I agree that I don't think Charlotte should pay the price that Miami would likely demand for Bam at this stage - they're too far from anything for Bam to make a real difference. If they can get him for this price though (which they can't), they should do it and figure the rest out later

[hugepatsfan]

"The missing piece" isn't something that applies to a team like CHA. They aren't good enough where that applies.

[LightTheBeam]

I get the idea. I do think that Lamelo could have a Cade type successful season if they could put a real team around him. Miller is a stud who can hopefully stay healthy. Bam is definitely a vet leader who could help impact that locker room.

Really hard to see a deal though. Even if you gave Kon, Salaun and a bunch of other salary + picks, Miami has been unwilling to rebuild. Can't see that changing today.

I did/still do like Sabonis as a realistic mid-season target for when the Kings decide the core sucks. Sabonis, Lamelo, Miller makes an interesting trio that should be able to put up a ton of points. Sabonis is the ultimate floor raiser, I think he gets Charlotte to a 45 win team in the east and hopefully shakes some of the bad that has surrounded that org.

[Ell Curry]

I could see this as the framework for a Giannis deal if he asks out. If Ware can develop into an average 3pt shooter you have the stretchy 5 Giannis needs.

Heat - Giannis
Charlotte - Bam
Milwaukee - Many, many first rounders from both teams.

Ideally for the Bucks you get Portland involved to get the Milwaukee picks back, though Portland has enough young depth that they'd probably demand a really high price to not just hope the Bucks post-Giannis provide them with a top 3 pick to get a franchise player they still need.

[Wolveswin]

I could see this as the framework for a Giannis deal if he asks out. If Ware can develop into an average 3pt shooter you have the stretchy 5 Giannis needs.

Heat - Giannis
Charlotte - Bam
Milwaukee - Many, many first rounders from both teams.

Ideally for the Bucks you get Portland involved to get the Milwaukee picks back, though Portland has enough young depth that they'd probably demand a really high price to not just hope the Bucks post-Giannis provide them with a top 3 pick to get a franchise player they still need.

Hornets would be cut out.

To Heat: Giannis/RW3/Bucks Filler

To Blazers: Bam/Rozier/Bucks Filler

To Bucks: Holiday/Scoot/Ware (choose a Heat youth)/All Bucks 1sts back from Blazers/All Heat 1sts

But biggest question, does Heat roster make Giannis happy? Not sure a true contender:

RW3
Giannis
Wiggins
Herro
Mitchell

[gswhoops]

I get the idea. I do think that Lamelo could have a Cade type successful season if they could put a real team around him. Miller is a stud who can hopefully stay healthy. Bam is definitely a vet leader who could help impact that locker room.

Really hard to see a deal though. Even if you gave Kon, Salaun and a bunch of other salary + picks, Miami has been unwilling to rebuild. Can't see that changing today.

I did/still do like Sabonis as a realistic mid-season target for when the Kings decide the core sucks. Sabonis, Lamelo, Miller makes an interesting trio that should be able to put up a ton of points. Sabonis is the ultimate floor raiser, I think he gets Charlotte to a 45 win team in the east and hopefully shakes some of the bad that has surrounded that org.

I don't hate this idea for the Hornets depending on the price. I think this board generally undervalues the importance of establishing a winning culture for young guys even if it doesn't immediately vault you to contender status.

Sabonis for Grant/Green, Salaun, 3 firsts (2026 CHA top-4 protected, 2027 DAL, 2027 MIA)?

[JRoy]

I could see this as the framework for a Giannis deal if he asks out. If Ware can develop into an average 3pt shooter you have the stretchy 5 Giannis needs.

Heat - Giannis
Charlotte - Bam
Milwaukee - Many, many first rounders from both teams.

Ideally for the Bucks you get Portland involved to get the Milwaukee picks back, though Portland has enough young depth that they'd probably demand a really high price to not just hope the Bucks post-Giannis provide them with a top 3 pick to get a franchise player they still need.

Hornets would be cut out.

To Heat: Giannis/RW3/Bucks Filler

To Blazers: Bam/Rozier/Bucks Filler

To Bucks: Holiday/Scoot/Ware (choose a Heat youth)/All Bucks 1sts back from Blazers/All Heat 1sts

But biggest question, does Heat roster make Giannis happy? Not sure a true contender:

RW3
Giannis
Wiggins
Herro
Mitchell

That would leave POR with no pg at all. Ban is a huge upgrade but it would be an even uglier year in offense.

[Apz]

Well, heat is a free agent destination. So if they hear from say giannis, a pickpackage doesnt seem impossible.

And ye, heat loves bam. But we also heard they loved highsmith the last year as soin as someone brought hom into a tradeproposal, just to sell him for a 2nd.

[Wolveswin]

I could see this as the framework for a Giannis deal if he asks out. If Ware can develop into an average 3pt shooter you have the stretchy 5 Giannis needs.

Heat - Giannis
Charlotte - Bam
Milwaukee - Many, many first rounders from both teams.

Ideally for the Bucks you get Portland involved to get the Milwaukee picks back, though Portland has enough young depth that they'd probably demand a really high price to not just hope the Bucks post-Giannis provide them with a top 3 pick to get a franchise player they still need.

Hornets would be cut out.

To Heat: Giannis/RW3/Bucks Filler

To Blazers: Bam/Rozier/Bucks Filler

To Bucks: Holiday/Scoot/Ware (choose a Heat youth)/All Bucks 1sts back from Blazers/All Heat 1sts

But biggest question, does Heat roster make Giannis happy? Not sure a true contender:

RW3
Giannis
Wiggins
Herro
Mitchell

That would leave POR with no pg at all. Ban is a huge upgrade but it would be an even uglier year in offense.

It’s a punt year regardless of this trade or not. Dame is PG.

[JRoy]

Hornets would be cut out.

To Heat: Giannis/RW3/Bucks Filler

To Blazers: Bam/Rozier/Bucks Filler

To Bucks: Holiday/Scoot/Ware (choose a Heat youth)/All Bucks 1sts back from Blazers/All Heat 1sts

But biggest question, does Heat roster make Giannis happy? Not sure a true contender:

RW3
Giannis
Wiggins
Herro
Mitchell

That would leave POR with no pg at all. Ban is a huge upgrade but it would be an even uglier year in offense.

It’s a punt year regardless of this trade or not. Dame is PG.

I am not so sure.

I am not betting against him but it’s a tough injury at his age.

[JayMKE]

I could see this as the framework for a Giannis deal if he asks out. If Ware can develop into an average 3pt shooter you have the stretchy 5 Giannis needs.

Heat - Giannis
Charlotte - Bam
Milwaukee - Many, many first rounders from both teams.

Ideally for the Bucks you get Portland involved to get the Milwaukee picks back, though Portland has enough young depth that they'd probably demand a really high price to not just hope the Bucks post-Giannis provide them with a top 3 pick to get a franchise player they still need.

Don’t even bother fantasizing like this. Bucks aren’t trading Giannis for a poo poo platter of picks. Miami and Charlotte don’t have assets of interest.

[meatwad4343]

They would still be a couple tiers below Cleveland/Orlando/ knicks. And that's even if lamelo stays healthy. Which is unlikely.

[Village Idiot]

I could see this as the framework for a Giannis deal if he asks out. If Ware can develop into an average 3pt shooter you have the stretchy 5 Giannis needs.

Heat - Giannis
Charlotte - Bam
Milwaukee - Many, many first rounders from both teams.

Ideally for the Bucks you get Portland involved to get the Milwaukee picks back, though Portland has enough young depth that they'd probably demand a really high price to not just hope the Bucks post-Giannis provide them with a top 3 pick to get a franchise player they still need.

I see no reason why Portland wouldn`t trade for Giannis or Bam themselves rather than paying the price for someone else to get one or both of them.

[gswhoops]

I could see this as the framework for a Giannis deal if he asks out. If Ware can develop into an average 3pt shooter you have the stretchy 5 Giannis needs.

Heat - Giannis
Charlotte - Bam
Milwaukee - Many, many first rounders from both teams.

Ideally for the Bucks you get Portland involved to get the Milwaukee picks back, though Portland has enough young depth that they'd probably demand a really high price to not just hope the Bucks post-Giannis provide them with a top 3 pick to get a franchise player they still need.

I see no reason why Portland wouldn`t trade for Giannis or Bam themselves rather than paying the price for someone else to get one or both of them.

Only way I can see this working is if LaMelo or Miller is headed to Portland, which kind of defeats the point of acquiring Bam for Charlotte.

[LightTheBeam]

I get the idea. I do think that Lamelo could have a Cade type successful season if they could put a real team around him. Miller is a stud who can hopefully stay healthy. Bam is definitely a vet leader who could help impact that locker room.

Really hard to see a deal though. Even if you gave Kon, Salaun and a bunch of other salary + picks, Miami has been unwilling to rebuild. Can't see that changing today.

I did/still do like Sabonis as a realistic mid-season target for when the Kings decide the core sucks. Sabonis, Lamelo, Miller makes an interesting trio that should be able to put up a ton of points. Sabonis is the ultimate floor raiser, I think he gets Charlotte to a 45 win team in the east and hopefully shakes some of the bad that has surrounded that org.

I don't hate this idea for the Hornets depending on the price. I think this board generally undervalues the importance of establishing a winning culture for young guys even if it doesn't immediately vault you to contender status.

Sabonis for Grant/Green, Salaun, 3 firsts (2026 CHA top-4 protected, 2027 DAL, 2027 MIA)?

I tend to agree with you. Charlotte is still young enough with enough upside, adding a floor raiser like Sabonis would do wonders for the teams development. And in theory the entire core fits well with Sabonis.

It's an improved version of the 2022/23 Kings, with better fits/players at every position. Will have bad defense, but IMO they'll be super exciting and able to outscore teams with ease.

That offer would get it done from my end, not inspiring but better direction than trading picks for Kuminga. Hate to take on meh salary for the next few years, but we are stuck with Zach for awhile so that doesn't really matter.