Scottie Barnes to MEM

[One_and_Done]

Toronto is not going to admit that before they even see what they have this year.

This also less than what Bane got in return. Value seems off but I’m bias.

Agreed. Toronto isn't going to admit how much they overpaid Barnes until it's too late.

[esvl]

No. Even if TOR looks rudderless for another year they will get better offers for Barnes than this.

Like what? POR won’t offer Avdija. Scoot? He is not much more productive than Pippen.

I am not just talking Portland (Albeit I think Camara, Scoot and FRP is a better deal).

But numerous teams could beat the offer listed here by MEM, and my offer from PDX.

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

[Godaddycurse]

Like what? POR won’t offer Avdija. Scoot? He is not much more productive than Pippen.

I am not just talking Portland (Albeit I think Camara, Scoot and FRP is a better deal).

But numerous teams could beat the offer listed here by MEM, and my offer from PDX.

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

i think Scoot > Pippen and a 1st and Kamara > Aldama and GG, but that could just be me

[Godaddycurse]

Toronto is not going to admit that before they even see what they have this year.

This also less than what Bane got in return. Value seems off but I’m bias.

Agreed. Toronto isn't going to admit how much they overpaid Barnes until it's too late.

Barnes got his extension coming off an all star season. If he can get back to that form then its not an overpay.

[BlazersBroncos]

Like what? POR won’t offer Avdija. Scoot? He is not much more productive than Pippen.

I am not just talking Portland (Albeit I think Camara, Scoot and FRP is a better deal).

But numerous teams could beat the offer listed here by MEM, and my offer from PDX.

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

I mean, I also said PDX would be sending FRP(s).

But yes, I think most teams would take Camara over Aldama and most teams would take Scoot over SPJ.

[One_and_Done]

Toronto is not going to admit that before they even see what they have this year.

This also less than what Bane got in return. Value seems off but I’m bias.

Agreed. Toronto isn't going to admit how much they overpaid Barnes until it's too late.

Barnes got his extension coming off an all star season. If he can get back to that form then its not an overpay.

That was a bad all-star (replacement) selection. He was never that good to begin with.

[mademan]

Agreed. Toronto isn't going to admit how much they overpaid Barnes until it's too late.

Barnes got his extension coming off an all star season. If he can get back to that form then its not an overpay.

That was a bad all-star (replacement) selection. He was never that good to begin with.

Barnes is still producing like a star. A low level star, but still a star, and he's being paid the rookie max. That is far from an overpayment

[One_and_Done]

Barnes got his extension coming off an all star season. If he can get back to that form then its not an overpay.

That was a bad all-star (replacement) selection. He was never that good to begin with.

Barnes is still producing like a star. A low level star, but still a star, and he's being paid the rookie max. That is far from an overpayment

I'm not even sure he's a starter on a contender.

[Godaddycurse]

That was a bad all-star (replacement) selection. He was never that good to begin with.

Barnes is still producing like a star. A low level star, but still a star, and he's being paid the rookie max. That is far from an overpayment

I'm not even sure he's a starter on a contender.

Lots of top 40-50 players wouldnt start on other contenders. Take Fox for example:

Cleveland
OKC
Denver
Clippers

All have in house starters at PG thats better.

I think Barnes is better than the PFs on Clippers though

[One_and_Done]

Barnes is still producing like a star. A low level star, but still a star, and he's being paid the rookie max. That is far from an overpayment

I'm not even sure he's a starter on a contender.

Lots of top 40-50 players wouldnt start on other contenders. Take Fox for example:

Cleveland
OKC
Denver
Clippers

All have in house starters at PG thats better.

I think Barnes is better than the PFs on Clippers though

Fox would start for the Nuggets and Clippers. Fox is also a straight point guard, so it's similar to saying 'well, you wouldn't start Shaq next to Embiid today. It's true, but doesn't really speak to the value of either. Barnes on the other hand is meant to be a versatile, multi-positional player. If he can't find his way into the starting line-up of a contender it's a big indictment.

[Village Idiot]

I am not just talking Portland (Albeit I think Camara, Scoot and FRP is a better deal).

But numerous teams could beat the offer listed here by MEM, and my offer from PDX.

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

I mean, I also said PDX would be sending FRP(s).

But yes, I think most teams would take Camara over Aldama and most teams would take Scoot over SPJ.

Personally I wouldn't trade Camara straight up for Barnes, contracts taken into consideration, and I really like Barnes. Camara is already an elite defender and his offensive improved a lot from year 1 to 2 so I don't think he's plateaued. Barnes, on the other hand, is a high usage, high turnover, inefficient player on a massive contract. He basically plays the same role as Deni Avdija, only less efficiently.

[JRoy]

Like what? POR won’t offer Avdija. Scoot? He is not much more productive than Pippen.

I am not just talking Portland (Albeit I think Camara, Scoot and FRP is a better deal).

But numerous teams could beat the offer listed here by MEM, and my offer from PDX.

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

I think Camara is worth more than that package by himself.

[esvl]

I am not just talking Portland (Albeit I think Camara, Scoot and FRP is a better deal).

But numerous teams could beat the offer listed here by MEM, and my offer from PDX.

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

I think Camara is worth more than that package by himself.

Yeap, I already did the homework and adjusted my view accordingly. To have Kamara and Avdija on the same team does not look fair towards the rest of the league. At least Coward is not there, though this Chinese dude looks like a beast, too (sigh)

[JRoy]

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

I think Camara is worth more than that package by himself.

Yeap, I already did the homework and adjusted my view accordingly. To have Kamara and Avdija on the same team does not look fair towards the rest of the league. At least Coward is not there, though this Chinese dude looks like a beast, too (sigh)

I really wanted Coward. I think he’s going to be an excellent player.

[zeebneeb]

Pistons fan here, so no skin in the game, but IMHO Toronto seems to have been w/o direction the last few years. Haven’t seen if the BI signing will work, so probably worth giving it a try. Reasonable amount of talent on the team, not so sure about the fit.

I have this love hate relationship with Barnes. To me, he is clearly not a franchise cornerstone you build around, but, he can be a part of a title team, being the #3 option, and all around best player, if that makes sense.

The problem here, is if Toronto does indeed trade him away, the start from scratch begins anew, and we as Piston fans know, how long that can take. I dont think moving him, unless your gonna get a lottery pick, to try again, is the answer. This trade does not address that.

High end picks.

[gswhoops]

Pistons fan here, so no skin in the game, but IMHO Toronto seems to have been w/o direction the last few years. Haven’t seen if the BI signing will work, so probably worth giving it a try. Reasonable amount of talent on the team, not so sure about the fit.

I have this love hate relationship with Barnes. To me, he is clearly not a franchise cornerstone you build around, but, he can be a part of a title team, being the #3 option, and all around best player, if that makes sense.

The problem here, is if Toronto does indeed trade him away, the start from scratch begins anew, and we as Piston fans know, how long that can take. I dont think moving him, unless your gonna get a lottery pick, to try again, is the answer. This trade does not address that.

High end picks.

Not similar in style (or temperment) but I could see Barnes as playing the Draymond Green role on a contender - second best player but third option on offense, does a little bit of everything to compliment your superstar and your #2 offensive guy.

[BlazersBroncos]

So you think Kamara > Aldama and Scoot > Pippen to the extent GG and FRP doesn’t cover the value gap, assuming it even exists? What a wonderful world you live in man.

I mean, I also said PDX would be sending FRP(s).

But yes, I think most teams would take Camara over Aldama and most teams would take Scoot over SPJ.

Personally I wouldn't trade Camara straight up for Barnes, contracts taken into consideration, and I really like Barnes. Camara is already an elite defender and his offensive improved a lot from year 1 to 2 so I don't think he's plateaued. Barnes, on the other hand, is a high usage, high turnover, inefficient player on a massive contract. He basically plays the same role as Deni Avdija, only less efficiently.

I understand this take. And I sure as hell might be totally wrong - but I would love to see Barnes on a team where he isnt leaned on quite as much. I think Deni and Barnes could be a super unique duo at the F spots - 2 guys that can get 20 / 8 / 5 consistently. I would hope that Barnes efficiency can go up when not leaned on as much to create and that his TOs can go down when no leaned on as much to facilitate.

Then again, there is a chance they dont work together, Barnes efficiency is constant regardless of his role and Camara is a late blooming Tay Prince or better level guy.

But, I also wasnt aware of the extension. Barnes on that extension makes him quite a bit less attractive. I probably dont field a offer for him now knowing he is signed at 50M.

[Godaddycurse]

I mean, I also said PDX would be sending FRP(s).

But yes, I think most teams would take Camara over Aldama and most teams would take Scoot over SPJ.

Personally I wouldn't trade Camara straight up for Barnes, contracts taken into consideration, and I really like Barnes. Camara is already an elite defender and his offensive improved a lot from year 1 to 2 so I don't think he's plateaued. Barnes, on the other hand, is a high usage, high turnover, inefficient player on a massive contract. He basically plays the same role as Deni Avdija, only less efficiently.

I understand this take. And I sure as hell might be totally wrong - but I would love to see Barnes on a team where he isnt leaned on quite as much. I think Deni and Barnes could be a super unique duo at the F spots - 2 guys that can get 20 / 8 / 5 consistently. I would hope that Barnes efficiency can go up when not leaned on as much to create and that his TOs can go down when no leaned on as much to facilitate.

Then again, there is a chance they dont work together, Barnes efficiency is constant regardless of his role and Camara is a late blooming Tay Prince or better level guy.

But, I also wasnt aware of the extension. Barnes on that extension makes him quite a bit less attractive. I probably dont field a offer for him now knowing he is signed at 50M.

5/224, so closer to 45M over the duration of contract. 25% max

[Godaddycurse]

Pistons fan here, so no skin in the game, but IMHO Toronto seems to have been w/o direction the last few years. Haven’t seen if the BI signing will work, so probably worth giving it a try. Reasonable amount of talent on the team, not so sure about the fit.

I have this love hate relationship with Barnes. To me, he is clearly not a franchise cornerstone you build around, but, he can be a part of a title team, being the #3 option, and all around best player, if that makes sense.

The problem here, is if Toronto does indeed trade him away, the start from scratch begins anew, and we as Piston fans know, how long that can take. I dont think moving him, unless your gonna get a lottery pick, to try again, is the answer. This trade does not address that.

High end picks.

Not similar in style (or temperment) but I could see Barnes as playing the Draymond Green role on a contender - second best player but third option on offense, does a little bit of everything to compliment your superstar and your #2 offensive guy.

If everything pans out (it wont):
barnes = draymond
IQ = curry
Ingram = KD

[oldncreaky]

I have this love hate relationship with Barnes. To me, he is clearly not a franchise cornerstone you build around, but, he can be a part of a title team, being the #3 option, and all around best player, if that makes sense.

The problem here, is if Toronto does indeed trade him away, the start from scratch begins anew, and we as Piston fans know, how long that can take. I dont think moving him, unless your gonna get a lottery pick, to try again, is the answer. This trade does not address that.

High end picks.

Not similar in style (or temperment) but I could see Barnes as playing the Draymond Green role on a contender - second best player but third option on offense, does a little bit of everything to compliment your superstar and your #2 offensive guy.

If everything pans out (it wont):
barnes = draymond
IQ = curry
Ingram = KD

You are reminding me why I think this Raptors' squad has a low ceiling! Barnes is not the problem -- but IQ and BI are poor imitations of the players on GSW

That, and the team is a donut without Poeltl, so while I think the Raptor's beat the over easily if Poeltl plays enough, the scouting report to attack this team in the first round of the playoffs is criminally simple:
1. attack Jacob to get him off the floor
2. play zone D any time TOR plays 3 subpar shooters