White to Houston

[Golabki]

I don't think OP's idea is strong enough to entice Celts to trade D White, but it's hard to really handicap a draft two years out. We don't know how prospects are going to look this far out. Even if 2027 was as bad as 2013, there are still going to be opportunities for KCP, CJ McCollum, Victor Oladipo, types in the lottery.

With the Jays both on supermaxes, if the Celtics could draft a fifth starter - seventh man type who'd be making $6 - $12 per yr over a rookie contract that then frees up the rest of Derrick's $35 million for Brad to allot that money towards a starting center

My thought is that pick, with a best of 3 swap, including 2 likely bad teams is SOOO good it's worth it. It's not crazy to think that has a 35% of being top 4 and a 10% of being #1 overall. Now, obviously it could also easily end up in the 10-15 range.

I generally don't buy the good v. bad draft rankings, particularly two years out. I think it's draft-heads creating narratives for draft-heads to read and doesn't have a lot of connection to the real world. Except that I think it's fair to say there isn't a Wemby/Lebron level prospect... but that's most drafts.

That said, I'm a Celtics fan, so I'd be more than happy to get more in the deal. I'm curious what people think it would take for the Celtics to say yes.

According to Bobby Marks, the Celtics would demand a "Desmond Bane-plus" offer for Derrick White.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/video-bobby-marks-derrick-white-trade-desmond-bane-plus-offer/715063

It was also reported that the Celtics laughed at a package offered by Toronto that included the 9th pick in the last draft.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/celtics-trade-rumors-boston-laughed-195340239.html

So Fred Van Vleet, Jae'Sean Tate, and one first rounder has no hope of being accepted by Boston. They want to keep him.

The Celtics I think pretty clearly want to keep White. So I agree on that.

I would say the offer I proposed is clearly way better than #9 + bad contracts from Toronto. And I would say it's arguably as good as the Bane offer. I think the odds of the 1 pick in my offer ending up top 3 high is better than the odds of any of the picks for Bane ending up that high (collectively).

As I said though, I'm a Celtics fan, so more than happy to add the 2029 Pho pick in as well.

[redslastlaugh]

People cite thee Mikal Bridges trade, the Nets getting 5 firsts as the ultimate draft haul trade return. But so far those haven't been great picks. Two of those picks have already conveyed, the 2025 Bucks and the Knicks, both playoff teams with MVP candidates on each. The Nets got the 19th and 26th pick in last draft. They took Traore and Saraf.

Then in 2027, Nets get the NYK first. That's two seasons from now but, barring injury disaster, Knicks will still have Brunson, KAT, Bridges in their primes and the Nets will get another 25th - 28th pick.

And then you have only two incoming picks left.

Probably, 2 or 3 lottery picks will turn out a better haul than 5 picks the Nets got for Bridges -- not that it wasn't still an overpay by the knicks just that so far, it's not shaping up to be THAT BAD

If the Celtics traded White and got back picks that Houston has from Phoenix and brooklyn, 2 or 3 of those would imo be a greater draft package than what BRK got for Bridges

My thought is that pick, with a best of 3 swap, including 2 likely bad teams is SOOO good it's worth it. It's not crazy to think that has a 35% of being top 4 and a 10% of being #1 overall. Now, obviously it could also easily end up in the 10-15 range.

I generally don't buy the good v. bad draft rankings, particularly two years out. I think it's draft-heads creating narratives for draft-heads to read and doesn't have a lot of connection to the real world. Except that I think it's fair to say there isn't a Wemby/Lebron level prospect... but that's most drafts.

That said, I'm a Celtics fan, so I'd be more than happy to get more in the deal. I'm curious what people think it would take for the Celtics to say yes.

According to Bobby Marks, the Celtics would demand a "Desmond Bane-plus" offer for Derrick White.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/video-bobby-marks-derrick-white-trade-desmond-bane-plus-offer/715063

It was also reported that the Celtics laughed at a package offered by Toronto that included the 9th pick in the last draft.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/celtics-trade-rumors-boston-laughed-195340239.html

So Fred Van Vleet, Jae'Sean Tate, and one first rounder has no hope of being accepted by Boston. They want to keep him.

The Celtics I think pretty clearly want to keep White. So I agree on that.

I would say the offer I proposed is clearly way better than #9 + bad contracts from Toronto. And I would say it's arguably as good as the Bane offer. I think the odds of the 1 pick in my offer ending up top 3 high is better than the odds of any of the picks for Bane ending up that high (collectively).

As I said though, I'm a Celtics fan, so more than happy to add the 2029 Pho pick in as well.

[R-DAWG]

People cite thee Mikal Bridges trade, the Nets getting 5 firsts as the ultimate draft haul trade return. But so far those haven't been great picks. Two of those picks have already conveyed, the 2025 Bucks and the Knicks, both playoff teams with MVP candidates on each. The Nets got the 19th and 26th pick in last draft. They took Traore and Saraf.

Then in 2027, Nets get the NYK first. That's two seasons from now but, barring injury disaster, Knicks will still have Brunson, KAT, Bridges in their primes and the Nets will get another 25th - 28th pick.

And then you have only two incoming picks left.

Probably, 2 or 3 lottery picks will turn out a better haul than 5 picks the Nets got for Bridges -- not that it wasn't still an overpay by the knicks just that so far, it's not shaping up to be THAT BAD

If the Celtics traded White and got back picks that Houston has from Phoenix and brooklyn, 2 or 3 of those would imo be a greater draft package than what BRK got for Bridges

According to Bobby Marks, the Celtics would demand a "Desmond Bane-plus" offer for Derrick White.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/video-bobby-marks-derrick-white-trade-desmond-bane-plus-offer/715063

It was also reported that the Celtics laughed at a package offered by Toronto that included the 9th pick in the last draft.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/celtics-trade-rumors-boston-laughed-195340239.html

So Fred Van Vleet, Jae'Sean Tate, and one first rounder has no hope of being accepted by Boston. They want to keep him.

The Celtics I think pretty clearly want to keep White. So I agree on that.

I would say the offer I proposed is clearly way better than #9 + bad contracts from Toronto. And I would say it's arguably as good as the Bane offer. I think the odds of the 1 pick in my offer ending up top 3 high is better than the odds of any of the picks for Bane ending up that high (collectively).

As I said though, I'm a Celtics fan, so more than happy to add the 2029 Pho pick in as well.

Agree here that it’s not just the volume of picks, it’s the probability to convey. Brooklyn controls the Knicks draft for 3 straight years from 27-29. The Knicks will likely put a lot of miles on their guys over the next two years, especially if they have deep playoffs runs, and Jalen Brunson just turned 29. Knicks picks convey to Brooklyn in Brunson’s age 31, 32 and 34 seasons. KAT turns 30 in November, Bridges and Anunoby turned 29 and 28 respectively this summer. This core likely only has 2-3 years left in their top of the east window. The book hasn’t been written on this trade. The Knicks may never see another confence finals and convey multiple lottery picks. Or the Knicks could find themselves in the finals this year and make the playoffs every year until the final pick conveys.

The Bane trade was a known quantity (15th pick the week before the draft), a high upside pick in the following draft from a team projected to be in the lottery (Pheonix) and control of the draft 3-5 years after the trade deadline- the bet on a down year.

The interesting thing here is that this trade can’t even happen until December. That will give Boston half a season to see what they have with Jaylen as their #1 option and Houston half a season to see what they look like with Reed Sheppard at PG. I can see Boston cashing out on White and I can see Houston being aggressive.

I could also see be Boston being more interested in young players as they re-tool around the J’s. Reed Sheppard, Jabari Smith, the better of BK/PHX 27. That’s good package giving Boston two pieces they can plug in next to Brown and Tatum along with high variance future pick. Maybe Houston throws in another pick.

FVV, Eason, Reed and 1-2 picks also works.

Point is - I can see the logic in Boston cashing out on White especially if this season without Tatum turns into a gap/tanking year. And I can see Houston paying a premium to upgrade FVV’s salary slot to Derrick White if they get off to a strong start but need a veteran point guard if they want a chance to get to the finals.