Fox to Minnesota

[Wolveswin]

Randle/DDV

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FOX/Bryant

I know some Spurs fans are high on Bryant. Wolves can a 1st swap and I think they have a couple 2nds.

[babyjax13]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

[wemby]

As of today, Fox making nearly $60 million in 2028-29 is an absolute joke, being paid twice what he is worth.

If you think a player like Fox should make 15% of the cap, you clearly haven't bothered to go around checking team's salary sheets. Big numbers mess with people's brains, the one number you have to remember is this: Fox makes (roughly) 30% of the cap to be the 2nd/3rd best player, McDaniels makes (roughly) 15% to be the 4th/5th. I'll take my chances with the better player and find cheaper role players, thank you.

[wemby]

Randle/DDV

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FOX/Bryant

I know some Spurs fans are high on Bryant. Wolves can a 1st swap and I think they have a couple 2nds.

Sometimes it's really hard to figure out whether people are trolling or truly believe what they post.

[wemby]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

Overall I agree, with one caveat though: 3&D gets overused these days; McDaniels is a (very) nice 'D' player, and a (very) mediocre '3' player.

[Godaddycurse]

Randle/DDV

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FOX/Bryant

I know some Spurs fans are high on Bryant. Wolves can a 1st swap and I think they have a couple 2nds.

Sometimes it's really hard to figure out whether people are trolling or truly believe what they post.

Randle at 33M > Fox at 54M. Bryant was a late lotto pick lets not act like hes untouchable

[Godaddycurse]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

Its much easier to slot McDaniels in your payroll under the apron era than Fox. Fox needs to be a bonafide 2nd option to be worth his salary and im not convinced he's that good?

[wemby]

Randle at 33M > Fox at 54M. Bryant was a late lotto pick lets not act like hes untouchable

To YOU, clearly not to the Spurs (who traded for him and gave him that contract just a few months ago). And since it is the Spurs who would have to agree to this, it's the one that matters.

Its much easier to slot McDaniels in your payroll under the apron era than Fox. Fox needs to be a bonafide 2nd option to be worth his salary and im not convinced he's that good?

No, Fox needs to be a 2nd/3rd option to earn his salary. If he becomes injured or regresses, then yes, it will be a problem. If he plays like he did the past couple of years, he'll be just fine, especially since Spurs' rookie salaries are nicely staggered over time.

[babyjax13]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

Its much easier to slot McDaniels in your payroll under the apron era than Fox. Fox needs to be a bonafide 2nd option to be worth his salary and im not convinced he's that good?

He's been the first option on a playoff team in the West. I wouldn't go so far as to claim he is the world's best second option, but I think he is a better second option than anyone Minnesota currently has and good enough if you have the right pieces around he and Edwards.

[winforlose]

Fox is likely on a bad contract. The spurs also have a potential log jam at PG. I think it will cost picks to move Fox.

[winforlose]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

Its much easier to slot McDaniels in your payroll under the apron era than Fox. Fox needs to be a bonafide 2nd option to be worth his salary and im not convinced he's that good?

He's been the first option on a playoff team in the West. I wouldn't go so far as to claim he is the world's best second option, but I think he is a better second option than anyone Minnesota currently has and good enough if you have the right pieces around he and Edwards.

On the contrary, you are taking those pieces away from Minnesota. Plus he needs to be on ball too much. Ant will want someone who can do both. Fox is not worth half of what you offered for him. I would take Randle over Fox straight up given the money.

[winforlose]

Fox isn’t going anywhere with that contract extension. LOL at people thinking that contract will be easy to move

Alot of guys make this kind of money now, so you just move him in a deal involving such players, e.g. Lauri. I don't think that trade is likely, I'm just illustrating a point.

Having two or more overpaid guys kills teams in the modern NBA. Before the CBA maybe, now you have to give up a ton of value to move Fox.

[jayjaysee]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

Its much easier to slot McDaniels in your payroll under the apron era than Fox. Fox needs to be a bonafide 2nd option to be worth his salary and im not convinced he's that good?

He's been the first option on a playoff team in the West. I wouldn't go so far as to claim he is the world's best second option, but I think he is a better second option than anyone Minnesota currently has and good enough if you have the right pieces around he and Edwards.

My issue is financial and fit with Edwards. Less about value. (Though I’d rather have McDaniels on most teams than Fox)

Edwards is the superstar. I think you want a lower usage point guard, with either, or ideally both, elite defense or shooting. Fox is great at what he does. But that’s not what he does.

And he’s expensive to the point that Minnesota would be either no depth or over second apron.

[Godaddycurse]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

Its much easier to slot McDaniels in your payroll under the apron era than Fox. Fox needs to be a bonafide 2nd option to be worth his salary and im not convinced he's that good?

He's been the first option on a playoff team in the West. I wouldn't go so far as to claim he is the world's best second option, but I think he is a better second option than anyone Minnesota currently has and good enough if you have the right pieces around he and Edwards.

he's had 1 year, maybe 2 out of the past 6 years where his play was worth this salary. Its possible he is worth his deal moving forward but its a risky gamble. I like the safe option in hand so i like mcdaniels more personally.

I do like Fox' fit in SAS though and i think they should move castle instead

[One_and_Done]

Fox isn’t going anywhere with that contract extension. LOL at people thinking that contract will be easy to move

Alot of guys make this kind of money now, so you just move him in a deal involving such players, e.g. Lauri. I don't think that trade is likely, I'm just illustrating a point.

Having two or more overpaid guys kills teams in the modern NBA. Before the CBA maybe, now you have to give up a ton of value to move Fox.

The Spurs don't have that problem though.

[One_and_Done]

Fox is likely on a bad contract. The spurs also have a potential log jam at PG. I think it will cost picks to move Fox.

Fox was a sought after player less than a year ago, who the Kings wanted to max. His contract makes him a no go for some teams, but he still has plenty of value to others.

[SkyHook]

I do think it is funny that a player that has such middling impact stats and counting stats as McDaniels is valued so highly. He is a nice 3 and D player who you hope hits more 3s, he is a 5th option on offense, and maybe he breaks out at some point ... but I have Fox as comfortably more impactful and better. There is a 3 year difference between them so there is some upside to be found in McDaniels, but Minnesota is also a team that needs a point guard very badly and their main assets to trade for one are Randle - who no one has every really wanted - and McDaniels, IMO. Their picks are mostly traded, they don't have a ton of young players with value, and Dillingham has been such a huge dissapointment he isn't likely to be the centerpiece of a trade for a starting caliber guard.

That's just my take, though. I know Minnesota fans love McDaniels.

Its much easier to slot McDaniels in your payroll under the apron era than Fox. Fox needs to be a bonafide 2nd option to be worth his salary and im not convinced he's that good?

This is spot on. That said, I have no problem with either side rejecting the deal. The Spurs (and their fans) can choose to be all in on Fox; they pretty much have to be at this stage. I don't see either viewpoint convincing the other. Simply an impasse.

[One_and_Done]

Randle/DDV

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FOX/Bryant

I know some Spurs fans are high on Bryant. Wolves can a 1st swap and I think they have a couple 2nds.

Yeh there's no chance the Spurs do that.

[Wolveswin]

Randle/DDV

FOR

FOX/Bryant

I know some Spurs fans are high on Bryant. Wolves can a 1st swap and I think they have a couple 2nds.

Yeh there's no chance the Spurs do that.

That is fair to say that and have the opinion Spurs wouldn’t be motivated for such a trade.

But value wise it is real close…and a tasters choice moment.

Randle > Fox

DDV isn’t worth a late lotto in Bryant. But not obscene.

Since Randle>Fox and Bryant>DDV we are close in value.

[One_and_Done]

Randle/DDV

FOR

FOX/Bryant

I know some Spurs fans are high on Bryant. Wolves can a 1st swap and I think they have a couple 2nds.

Yeh there's no chance the Spurs do that.

That is fair to say that and have the opinion Spurs wouldn’t be motivated for such a trade.

But value wise it is real close…and a tasters choice moment.

Randle > Fox

DDV isn’t worth a late lotto in Bryant. But not obscene.

Since Randle>Fox and Bryant>DDV we are close in value.

I don't think anyone was of the view that Randle was more valuable than Fox when the Spurs traded for him. Fox has had a busted shooting finger since then, which he got surgery on, so I'm not sure much has changed.