[Shams] Portland extends Camara (4 years $82M) and Sharpe (4 years $90M)

[R-DAWG]

The deals are fine, but what is this Portland team?

I’m guessing your running a starting lineup of:
Jrue-Sharpe-Advija-Carmara-Clingan

Put Scoot into the 6th man role? Grant and Hanson as well along with Thybulle

I really wonder if a Scoot trade is coming. He doesn’t fit with Sharpe and there is no room for him once Dame comes back.

This just feels like a team not good enough to win a playoff series or bad enough to get a meaningful draft pick.

[R-DAWG]

Taking things a step further - is this a potential Trae Young/DeArron Fox/Lonzo Ball team if either of them become available on the trade market?

There isn’t much in terms of excess draft capital here, but build a trade around Scoot, Milwaukees 2028 1st and 1-2 Portland picks and your right there I would think

[brackdan70]

One seems team friendly, one seems risky.

Yeap.

Worth the risk though for sharpe.

They do have to pay folks eventually. Just hope he will break out with his future secured.

Yeah potential is definitely there.
That first non-rookie contract is tricky. Still betting on potential.

[the_process]

Feel like these are both pretty solid for POR. Or at least it could have been a lot worse?

[HornetJail]

both of these feel fine for betting on these guys' potential and have the potential to be steals. But one of these guys needs to blow up.

[Blazinaway]

both of these feel fine for betting on these guys' potential and have the potential to be steals. But one of these guys needs to blow up.

Camara has already shown he's worth his deal easily, Sharpe is the guy with real blowup potential

[The-Power]

This just feels like a team not good enough to win a playoff series or bad enough to get a meaningful draft pick.

I agree for right now, but at some point you've got to start trying to build a winning team around your young talented core. That doesn't happen overnight, meaning that it's not unusual for a team to be just in the playoff mix but not good enough for a playoff run for a season or two.

Sharpe was the 7th pick, Henderson the 3rd and Clingan the 7th pick. Yang was drafted just outside the lottery, Camara a steal in the trade, and Avdija was the 9th pick with a decent trajectory who took the next step last year. All of them are in the 20-25 age range. So I personally am glad to see that they are now shifting towards competing rather than trying hard to improve their draft odds.

[tcheco]

Good to see non max contracts for rookies with promise but that haven't done much still.

A good defensive base in the team with Clingan, Camara, Deni, let's see if Sharpe delivers his best year on offense. They still feel like one good piece away from contending, even if all their players reach their moderate potencials, but they seem to have enough picks going forward to consolidate, so can't hate on the direction of the blazers right now(havent written this before)

[ReggiesKnicks]

both of these feel fine for betting on these guys' potential and have the potential to be steals. But one of these guys needs to blow up.

Camara has already shown he's worth his deal easily, Sharpe is the guy with real blowup potential

Worth his deal easily?

He signed a market-rate deal.

He is in his age 25 season (turning 26 after Portland Season ends) which means this deal will be a bulk of his prime age-wise.

He is a good defensive forward with versatility who is paid accordingly. He has limited offensive upside and pedigree which puts a ceiling on him as a player moving forward.

Camara's mid-70s FT Shooting gives me confidence his 3P% will maintain in the mid-high 30s on moderate volume. There is opportunity to enhance his 3P shooting with improvements to his corner 3P shot.

His versatility allows him to play with all configurations Portland will roll-out line-up wise.

I'd have scoffed at a deal paying 30 Million AAV while his deal compares similarly to Herb Jones, who is 1.5 years older than Camara. Let's just hope Camara's lone good shooting season doesn't mirror Herb Jones, even though Jones's FT Shooting is significantly better.

I think P.J. Washington is a better basketball player than Camara. I think Nikola Jovic has a lot more upside and intrigue moving forward while Camara is simply better currently and I also prefer Camara to Josh Hart.

[jayjaysee]

I really wanted Portland to do a crazy renegotiate and extend with Deni and all their moves are making that much more difficult. But that’s unrelated.

I like both these deals enough. I think Camara is already worth that number and Sharpe’s upside is worth the 50/50 on him developing. Portland decided they aren’t tanking, so these guys were getting paid..

I would have let him go to free agency, but compared to a bloated contract like Jalen Green's, Sharpe's is a steal. And I value Camara above Sharpe so, to me, the numbers are inverted if anything.

Yeah, I don’t think Sharpe is worth the number now but I do think he could easily come out and make it look like a bargain.

If Portland was doing an actually rebuild, I’d have waited and made him go get paid. But they’ve decided this group is their group, so I don’t mind it?

[tcheco]

I really wanted Portland to do a crazy renegotiate and extend with Deni and all their moves are making that much more difficult. But that’s unrelated.

I like both these deals enough. I think Camara is already worth that number and Sharpe’s upside is worth the 50/50 on him developing. Portland decided they aren’t tanking, so these guys were getting paid..

I would have let him go to free agency, but compared to a bloated contract like Jalen Green's, Sharpe's is a steal. And I value Camara above Sharpe so, to me, the numbers are inverted if anything.

Yeah, I don’t think Sharpe is worth the number now but I do think he could easily come out and make it look like a bargain.

If Portland was doing an actually rebuild, I’d have waited and made him go get paid. But they’ve decided this group is their group, so I don’t mind it?

I think it was a good move. If Sharpe comes out and have a great year, he is asking for a max 100%, simply for upside. Or the league is actually cracking down on offense only players shorter than 6`7 ?

[jayjaysee]

I would have let him go to free agency, but compared to a bloated contract like Jalen Green's, Sharpe's is a steal. And I value Camara above Sharpe so, to me, the numbers are inverted if anything.

Yeah, I don’t think Sharpe is worth the number now but I do think he could easily come out and make it look like a bargain.

If Portland was doing an actually rebuild, I’d have waited and made him go get paid. But they’ve decided this group is their group, so I don’t mind it?

I think it was a good move. If Sharpe comes out and have a great year, he is asking for a max 100%, simply for upside. Or the league is actually cracking down on offense only players shorter than 6`7 ?

I think it seems pretty likely he took it due to how the league treated other offensive focused guards this summer?

If Sharpe doesn’t improve, he’s going to be overpaid by a few million a year. If he does, he could be a bargain. He’d have to take a huge step to be looking at max offers imo. And yes if he does, Portland is going to look brilliant

[Godaddycurse]

I really wanted Portland to do a crazy renegotiate and extend with Deni and all their moves are making that much more difficult. But that’s unrelated.

I like both these deals enough. I think Camara is already worth that number and Sharpe’s upside is worth the 50/50 on him developing. Portland decided they aren’t tanking, so these guys were getting paid..

I would have let him go to free agency, but compared to a bloated contract like Jalen Green's, Sharpe's is a steal. And I value Camara above Sharpe so, to me, the numbers are inverted if anything.

its not inverted; Camara got 3/80 tacked on to his existing 1/vet min deal. Technically camara's extension is worth more than Sharpes considering AAV

[tcheco]

Yeah, I don’t think Sharpe is worth the number now but I do think he could easily come out and make it look like a bargain.

If Portland was doing an actually rebuild, I’d have waited and made him go get paid. But they’ve decided this group is their group, so I don’t mind it?

I think it was a good move. If Sharpe comes out and have a great year, he is asking for a max 100%, simply for upside. Or the league is actually cracking down on offense only players shorter than 6`7 ?

I think it seems pretty likely he took it due to how the league treated other offensive focused guards this summer?

If Sharpe doesn’t improve, he’s going to be overpaid by a few million a year. If he does, he could be a bargain. He’d have to take a huge step to be looking at max offers imo. And yes if he does, Portland is going to look brilliant

I could see him having a season scoring 20ppg with 3pt% around 38, that could fetch near max considering he is still young, but that 3pt% might be asking too much.

I like some win-win deals and Portland landed 2 at the same time while having Deni in a bargain. This opens up a lot of possibilities going forward, specially if everyone keeps improving.

they have 4 tradeable first rounders still, 3 years + control for Camara, Deni, Sharpe, Clingan, Yan... hoping to see them succeed

[SkyHook]

I really wanted Portland to do a crazy renegotiate and extend with Deni and all their moves are making that much more difficult. But that’s unrelated.

I like both these deals enough. I think Camara is already worth that number and Sharpe’s upside is worth the 50/50 on him developing. Portland decided they aren’t tanking, so these guys were getting paid..

I would have let him go to free agency, but compared to a bloated contract like Jalen Green's, Sharpe's is a steal. And I value Camara above Sharpe so, to me, the numbers are inverted if anything.

its not inverted; Camara got 3/80 tacked on to his existing 1/vet min deal. Technically camara's extension is worth more than Sharpes considering AAV

Yeah, that makes more sense.

[jbk1234]

Some of the projections for Sharpe seem wildly optimistic based on his performance over his three seasons. Even good sixth man seems like a stretch absent significant improvement. That extension has real potential to be comparable to Patrick Williams. Drafting due to potential is fine, but after three full seasons, you should be paying for more consistency, not something you have yet to witness.

[tmorgan]

Some of the projections for Sharpe seem wildly optimistic based on his performance over his three seasons. Even good sixth man seems like a stretch absent significant improvement. That extension has real potential to be comparable to Patrick Williams. Drafting due to potential is fine, but after three full seasons, you should be paying for more consistency, not something you have yet to witness.

That’s a bit harsh, and I’m not even a fan of Shaedon. P Williams just doesn’t do anything — 9/4/2 in 25 minutes a game is just insanely unproductive (with poor efficiency as well). Sharpe doesn’t do a whole lot but score (18.5/4.5/2.8 in 31 minutes), but his efficiency is better (TS+ 96 to PWill’s 89) and that’s like 80% more scoring rate-wise.

Williams is just bad. Shaedon has potential to make this contract good, or at least acceptable.

[HornetJail]

the downside is more Jalen Green than PWill. Talented scorer that never figures out how to be efficient. Patrick Williams just isn't productive whatsoever. I like Sharpe a lot more than Green though

[tcheco]

the downside is more Jalen Green than PWill. Talented scorer that never figures out how to be efficient. Patrick Williams just isn't productive whatsoever. I like Sharpe a lot more than Green though

Jalen Green in this contract would be fine, that's the thing with Sharpe. If he improves a little bit(at 22 is not absurd to think) he will be worth the contract. however if he doesnt improve at all his 3pt shooting, he will never help any team, even at that cost, considering the lack of contributions on other areas

[Pacersike]

Glad to see defense jumping in the foot prints of offensive value.