Early Season Trade Questions

[Crazy-Canuck]

Miami will have some questions to answer:

How much does herro want?
How much does Powell want?
Can or better yet should the heat invest in 2 smallish 1 way guards?
Do they let Wiggins walk or will they salary dump him?
What do they do with Jaime? He's been great to start the season. Jovic and Mitchell just got paid. Does he deserve more?

[brackdan70]

Boston should be selling. They want to get below the tax, ensure a bottom 4 finish, and restock the war chest. Everyone should made available, but if not, then at least dump Simons even if it takes a couple 2nds to get under the tax.

Celtics should full tank.

White/Pritchard for FVV/Sheppard/1sts seems too obvious.

Then Brown to highest bidder. And I would think some West team trying to survive the gauntlet (and catch OKC) would overpay for Brown, thinking he is final piece to a chip. Spurs maybe.

With a full tank, Celtics could be amazing next season. Healthy Tatum. Ton of resources. And one has to imagine in the driver seat for Giannis - Boston probably on his list. Celtics with a full tank would have resources to acquire Giannis.

I think the Celtics want to keep a good team intact around Tatum. I doubt trading White or Brown is on the table unless it realistically could lead to Giannis.
If trading either they would want good players back…not Shepard. Depends what and how many firsts are attached I guess.

[penbeast0]

Washington is pretty obvious:

Vets CJ McCollum and Kris Middleton are expiring vets and can be had for draft capital or players with upside. Hardest thing might be matching contracts as they expire together and so would take a bit more to break that max level salary space into two smaller ones.

Corey Kispert is prime of career outside shooter but who had a down year last year. Declining contract so no real reason to trade him, but with all the other wings in DC, no reason not to.

Guys still on rookie deals probably not going to get dealt as they are all presumably upside players.

Some end of bench guys like Bagley but not likely to excite anyone.

[hugepatsfan]

Boston should be selling. They want to get below the tax, ensure a bottom 4 finish, and restock the war chest. Everyone should made available, but if not, then at least dump Simons even if it takes a couple 2nds to get under the tax.

Celtics should full tank.

White/Pritchard for FVV/Sheppard/1sts seems too obvious.

Then Brown to highest bidder. And I would think some West team trying to survive the gauntlet (and catch OKC) would overpay for Brown, thinking he is final piece to a chip. Spurs maybe.

With a full tank, Celtics could be amazing next season. Healthy Tatum. Ton of resources. And one has to imagine in the driver seat for Giannis - Boston probably on his list. Celtics with a full tank would have resources to acquire Giannis.

They don't need to trade White/Brown to full tank. Their front court is such a crippling weakness that they suck even with decent talent on the perimeter.

Your Giannis idea sounds great, but what if he doesn't want to come to BOS if he's moved. He could just not like the city. What if MIL is good and he doesn't even want out. Now you have Tatum coming back to a bunch nothing that helps him now because you tore it down and run the risk that he wants out if nothing ever materializes. When you could have just kept Brown/White and still sucked for a high pick. If you need to move one or both for Giannis trade chips, do it when you need to.

[Wolveswin]

Boston should be selling. They want to get below the tax, ensure a bottom 4 finish, and restock the war chest. Everyone should made available, but if not, then at least dump Simons even if it takes a couple 2nds to get under the tax.

Celtics should full tank.

White/Pritchard for FVV/Sheppard/1sts seems too obvious.

Then Brown to highest bidder. And I would think some West team trying to survive the gauntlet (and catch OKC) would overpay for Brown, thinking he is final piece to a chip. Spurs maybe.

With a full tank, Celtics could be amazing next season. Healthy Tatum. Ton of resources. And one has to imagine in the driver seat for Giannis - Boston probably on his list. Celtics with a full tank would have resources to acquire Giannis.

They don't need to trade White/Brown to full tank. Their front court is such a crippling weakness that they suck even with decent talent on the perimeter.

Your Giannis idea sounds great, but what if he doesn't want to come to BOS if he's moved. He could just not like the city. What if MIL is good and he doesn't even want out. Now you have Tatum coming back to a bunch nothing that helps him now because you tore it down and run the risk that he wants out if nothing ever materializes. When you could have just kept Brown/White and still sucked for a high pick. If you need to move one or both for Giannis trade chips, do it when you need to.

I mean, FVV and the players from Spurs - say Vassell - aren’t nothing.

Including a top 5 pick, Sheppard and maybe Castle in the Spurs deal. That would be a trade package for Giannis or any star - which joining Tatum+ in East would be very attractive.

[BK_2020]

Boston should be selling. They want to get below the tax, ensure a bottom 4 finish, and restock the war chest. Everyone should made available, but if not, then at least dump Simons even if it takes a couple 2nds to get under the tax.

Celtics should full tank.

White/Pritchard for FVV/Sheppard/1sts seems too obvious.

Then Brown to highest bidder. And I would think some West team trying to survive the gauntlet (and catch OKC) would overpay for Brown, thinking he is final piece to a chip. Spurs maybe.

With a full tank, Celtics could be amazing next season. Healthy Tatum. Ton of resources. And one has to imagine in the driver seat for Giannis - Boston probably on his list. Celtics with a full tank would have resources to acquire Giannis.

They don't need to trade White/Brown to full tank. Their front court is such a crippling weakness that they suck even with decent talent on the perimeter.

Your Giannis idea sounds great, but what if he doesn't want to come to BOS if he's moved. He could just not like the city. What if MIL is good and he doesn't even want out. Now you have Tatum coming back to a bunch nothing that helps him now because you tore it down and run the risk that he wants out if nothing ever materializes. When you could have just kept Brown/White and still sucked for a high pick. If you need to move one or both for Giannis trade chips, do it when you need to.

White and Brown are rapidly depreciating assets.

[hugepatsfan]

Celtics should full tank.

White/Pritchard for FVV/Sheppard/1sts seems too obvious.

Then Brown to highest bidder. And I would think some West team trying to survive the gauntlet (and catch OKC) would overpay for Brown, thinking he is final piece to a chip. Spurs maybe.

With a full tank, Celtics could be amazing next season. Healthy Tatum. Ton of resources. And one has to imagine in the driver seat for Giannis - Boston probably on his list. Celtics with a full tank would have resources to acquire Giannis.

They don't need to trade White/Brown to full tank. Their front court is such a crippling weakness that they suck even with decent talent on the perimeter.

Your Giannis idea sounds great, but what if he doesn't want to come to BOS if he's moved. He could just not like the city. What if MIL is good and he doesn't even want out. Now you have Tatum coming back to a bunch nothing that helps him now because you tore it down and run the risk that he wants out if nothing ever materializes. When you could have just kept Brown/White and still sucked for a high pick. If you need to move one or both for Giannis trade chips, do it when you need to.

I mean, FVV and the players from Spurs - say Vassell - aren’t nothing.

Including a top 5 pick, Sheppard and maybe Castle in the Spurs deal. That would be a trade package for Giannis or any star - which joining Tatum+ in East would be very attractive.

FVV will pretty much be a nothing after that injury IMO. He'll be a small, 32 year old guard which is already an archetype that ages poorly when they aren't already coming off a serious injury. And he's just a league average shooter and struggles to finish inside already (struggles to ever break 40% from the floor in a season). I don't expect him to be much of a help to anyone in the 26-27 season.

Your Spurs deal is very hypothetical. So definitely some pieces there that could work. But if you posted a Brown deal with Sheppard or Castle, for example, people are going to spit up on it here. So I reserve right to change my stance depending on actual deal, but if you gauged what anyone here would offer for Brown then I sand by it being a big ball of nothing for next year, relatively speaking.

[babyjax13]

Utah should be a seller, but we don't have much to sell.

Good players available:
Lauri Markkanen

Meh players that we'd probably like to keep:
Jusuf Nurkic
Georges Niang

Meh to bad players that I hope are available
Kyle Anderson (looks totally washed so far)
Svi Mykhailiuk (looks pretty decent, could be a fine 9th or 10th man for a team)

Kessler may be available, but I kind of doubt it given how we have seen his game develop so far this season.

Picks would be the primary thing we'd want. We have a ton of prospects at power forward, we have too many small guards as-is, so no one at either of those positions. We don't need another young off-ball shooter because Sensabaugh and Ace have us covered there. We could maybe use a young perimeter defender, preferably a wing.

[SkyHook]

Utah should be a seller, but we don't have much to sell.

Good players available:
Lauri Markkanen

Meh players that we'd probably like to keep:
Jusuf Nurkic
Georges Niang

Meh to bad players that I hope are available
Kyle Anderson (looks totally washed so far)
Svi Mykhailiuk (looks pretty decent, could be a fine 9th or 10th man for a team)

Kessler may be available, but I kind of doubt it given how we have seen his game develop so far this season.

Picks would be the primary thing we'd want. We have a ton of prospects at power forward, we have too many small guards as-is, so no one at either of those positions. We don't need another young off-ball shooter because Sensabaugh and Ace have us covered there. We could maybe use a young perimeter defender, preferably a wing.

While every player is "available", I doubt that Lauri, Walker, and Ace will be moved (and Hendricks to a lesser extent). Open season on the rest of the roster and/or what's left of the Collins TPE in exchange for draft capital.

[shrink]

In today’s podcast, Zach Lowe named the Wolves PG situation as the most worrisome team hole in the NBA.

[daoneandonly]

In today’s podcast, Zach Lowe named the Wolves PG situation as the most worrisome team hole in the NBA.

What;s the feeling on Dillingham? How's he progressing?

[Magicman125]

anyone want Wendell Carter, Jonathan Isaac, or Tyus Jones?

[Wolveswin]

Boston tank…

To Rockets: White/Pritchard

To Heat: Brown/Hauser/Queta
*Could also do Simons for Rozier swap if FBI allows it

To Celtics: Ware/Herro/Wiggins/FVV/Sheppard/Picks from Heat and Rockets

Celtics bring back Herro real real slow, tank to top 5 pick in 2026 draft. 2026 offseason let every disgruntled superstar know they have Wiggins expiring salary plus youth plus picks ready for trade - looking at you Giannis.

Your 26/27 Boston Celtics:
Turner
Giannis
Tatum
Herro
FVV

[shrink]

anyone want Wendell Carter, Jonathan Isaac, or Tyus Jones?

I’d have interest in all of them, but MIN’s hands are a bit tied right now to make trades.

What are the Magic looking for?

[Village Idiot]

I am guessing Portland does nothing until new ownership is in place in the spring. Look for the team to target a tier 1 star like Giannis at that point.

[SkyHook]

Dillingham + Miller for Keyonte + Svi?

[ReggiesKnicks]

In today’s podcast, Zach Lowe named the Wolves PG situation as the most worrisome team hole in the NBA.

How does Minnesota attempt to remedy the situation?

Trading for someone like Tyus Jones helps the regular season but he is woefully unplayable in the post-season. I'm not sure a team with back-to-back WCF trips trades assets for a point guard who doesn't play in the post-season.

What value does Dillingham/Donte/whoever else they have really have? Does it require a Gobert trade?

[daoneandonly]

What the hell is Dallas going to do? Just adding in Kyrie when he returns isnt going to save this sinking ship

Lively has lost a lot of his rookie shine
Coop is not a PG and should have never been put in that role
Klay is done
AD is out of shape, not a leader, not a winner

Its truly a shame how a team that was a perennial contender has fallen off because of one GM's incompetence.

[shrink]

In today’s podcast, Zach Lowe named the Wolves PG situation as the most worrisome team hole in the NBA.

How does Minnesota attempt to remedy the situation?

Trading for someone like Tyus Jones helps the regular season but he is woefully unplayable in the post-season. I'm not sure a team with back-to-back WCF trips trades assets for a point guard who doesn't play in the post-season.

What value does Dillingham/Donte/whoever else they have really have? Does it require a Gobert trade?

It a major dilemma, and I wrote about it on the MIN board yesterday and today if you’re interested.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2443477&start=1900#p119888330

It’s easy for MIN fans to say, “no one except Ant is untradeable!” but the problem is that most players fill a vital function. If MIN trades Gobert, they need a new center that does what Gobert does. If they trade Randle, they need a new #2 option, and even if that’s a PG, they are suddenly small in a league that is going big, and forced to give minutes to Leonard Miller and Joan Beringer. And with any trade, you send out someone who is familiar with the system and the other players’ tendencies, and bring in someone who doesn’t have that knowledge .. and in MIN, someone who may not want to be there.

You’re correct that Dillingham and Donte may need to be traded, but they both under-performed last year, and are parts of the last two signature Tim Connelly trades. GMs usually don’t want to “sell low,” especially if it makes them look like they made a mistake .. easier for them to say, “just wait.”

I have wished for the last two years that Ant focused on developing his playmaking, rather than his three point shot and his middy. Simply learning how to use Gobert on a pick-and-roll would open things up so much. Now, I think the Wolves have to hope a healthy Mike Conley hasn’t aged out, or that Dillingham will emerge, and so far, things don’t look promising.

[Wolveswin]

anyone want Wendell Carter, Jonathan Isaac, or Tyus Jones?

Gobert/DDV

FOR

Suggs/WCJ

Who adds what? Yes or No?