Current Trade Market: Top 5 Point Guards Available

[ProcessDoctor]

Anfernee simons is somehow still available
If Derrick White is available so is Pritchard

I don't think both White and Pritchard are traded but I expect one to be traded.

Interesting. I don’t think either is traded unless the Celtics upgrade seriously somehow. Both are on team friendly contracts and great fit for the Cs.

I could see something like White + Schierman for FVV + Eason.

[Daddy 801]

Spurs would never trade Fox months after demanding to be traded to the Spurs and signing an extension, at least not without him asking for it. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the first thing about the Spurs.

If the GM calls in Wemby and says we have an offer for Fox that I think will make the team better and give you a better chance at winning now…he will say yes.

And while it would be some level of the Spurs getting mud on their face, pissing off Fox, pissing off whomever represents Fox, etc.

No one would really care long term. It would be old news within a years time at most. And every other GM, player, executive, rep, etc would understand why it happened and not hold a grudge against the Spurs longterm.

If they can make a good trade to put the pieces around Wemby they will. And I think it’s exactly because of who the Spurs are and what they have in Wemby. He’s a force and one sub almost allstar player traded after being traded for is not going to diminish the Spurs reputation.

Teams and players don’t have loyalty. It’s almost non existent in today’s NBA. It’s the GM’s job to build the best team. And if trading Fox means getting Wemby help sooner I’d be shocked if they didn’t make a move.

You want argue why Spurs should do that, type away. If you're trying to come up with realistic scenarios, don't bother wasting your time. Spurs don't run their franchise like Danny Ainge would, they often talk to their own players and vet destinations even when they do trade a player they value, like Dejounte Murray or Derrick White. Just imagine if they'd do that to a player who just forced his way into the team.

Bottom line, speculate all you want for fun but Spurs won't trade Fox in the near future unless something drastic happens, like Harper basically becoming SGA overnight and forcing Fox himself to ask out. Much more likely he plays at least 2/3 years for the Spurs, and gets traded before Castle and Harper's rookie extensions kick in, until then forget it.

You seem to be taking it semi personal that I am suggesting the Spurs would trade Fox. The Jazz or Ainge have nothing to do with my comments.

I’m not saying they are going to trade him soon, or even that they should. I am saying if the opportunity arrives for the Spurs to make the team better they will trade him.

I’m only commenting on this scenario I see where people suggest that because the Spurs are the Spurs they won’t make a trade to benefit the team. That’s just silly. And if a GM was like that they would not stay employed very long. And it’s magnified by the fact that Wemby is such a unique force and the Spurs got lucky in the draft the last few years and have guys like Harper who could push the timeline up sooner on when they MIGHT trade Fox. If he doesn’t fit well and the Spurs can make a trade to make the team better they will. So would the vast majority of GM’s. In fact I would say all GM’s do that. Some are just stupid and make moves like Joe Dumars did this off season. The Spurs are one of the best well run organizations of all time. You better believe they aren’t going to hold onto a player if they can make the team better just because they are the Spurs.

I don’t know enough about the Spurs cap space to make an educated decision if they should trade him soon. And I don’t think anyone has seen enough of Fox and Wemby/Spurs play together to suggest he should be moved. I have been high on what Fox could bring to the table despite being inefficient relative to his status. I think Wemby can pull defenders out so much that he is going to give guys like Fox who love to drive the easiest floor/playing style they have ever seen in their basketball careers. Fox should be able to elevate his game just by being on the floor with Wemby and he is lucky enough Wemby will force players to shoot from the outside so Fox and all of the guards will be able to stay up on their man and play better defense just by the mere fact Wemby is Wemby.

So will the Spurs trade Fox? I have no clue. No one does yet IMO. But if they can trade him and get better they absolutely will. My guess is he is on the team 2-3 years before he is traded IF he gets traded. Time will tell.

[brackdan70]

I don't think both White and Pritchard are traded but I expect one to be traded.

Interesting. I don’t think either is traded unless the Celtics upgrade seriously somehow. Both are on team friendly contracts and great fit for the Cs.

I could see something like White + Schierman for FVV + Eason.

I don’t see anything like that happening. What is the rational for the Celtics?

[NYG]

DDV and Rob Dillingham = Which Point Guard?

[NYG]

Is Ayo any good? Would Chicago deal him?

[vxmike]

Is Ayo any good? Would Chicago deal him?

He’s a solid role player but not a point guard.

[redslastlaugh]

that's not my read

I have zero doubt DeAaron Fox is available, but they would never announce it

[wemby]

You seem to be taking it semi personal that I am suggesting the Spurs would trade Fox. The Jazz or Ainge have nothing to do with my comments.

It's not personal, it's an observation rooted in track record. If you don't know Ainge's track record or that of the Spurs, you're a Google search away from finding out. I'm shocked you'd have to, I'll admit, but if you did it wouldn't be difficult to figure out how that plays into your comments.

I’m not saying they are going to trade him soon, or even that they should. I am saying if the opportunity arrives for the Spurs to make the team better they will trade him.

I’m only commenting on this scenario I see where people suggest that because the Spurs are the Spurs they won’t make a trade to benefit the team. That’s just silly. And if a GM was like that they would not stay employed very long. And it’s magnified by the fact that Wemby is such a unique force and the Spurs got lucky in the draft the last few years and have guys like Harper who could push the timeline up sooner on when they MIGHT trade Fox. If he doesn’t fit well and the Spurs can make a trade to make the team better they will. So would the vast majority of GM’s. In fact I would say all GM’s do that. Some are just stupid and make moves like Joe Dumars did this off season. The Spurs are one of the best well run organizations of all time. You better believe they aren’t going to hold onto a player if they can make the team better just because they are the Spurs.

I don’t know enough about the Spurs cap space to make an educated decision if they should trade him soon. And I don’t think anyone has seen enough of Fox and Wemby/Spurs play together to suggest he should be moved. I have been high on what Fox could bring to the table despite being inefficient relative to his status. I think Wemby can pull defenders out so much that he is going to give guys like Fox who love to drive the easiest floor/playing style they have ever seen in their basketball careers. Fox should be able to elevate his game just by being on the floor with Wemby and he is lucky enough Wemby will force players to shoot from the outside so Fox and all of the guards will be able to stay up on their man and play better defense just by the mere fact Wemby is Wemby.

So will the Spurs trade Fox? I have no clue. No one does yet IMO. But if they can trade him and get better they absolutely will. My guess is he is on the team 2-3 years before he is traded IF he gets traded. Time will tell.

This is a wall of text, but I'll address the point in short: it's not that the Spurs won't do a move that benefits them, it's that their concept of that is radically different from yours. They know San Antonio isn't a top player destination, so they've spent decades building a strong culture and solid reputation with players and agents.

Also, and perhaps more importantly, they play the long game. If you put 2 & 2 together, you're quickly going to realize that they're not going to throw away in a minute everything they've spent decades building, by trading away a player who demanded to be traded there and was just extended, who also happens to be a client of one of the most powerful agencies in the sport.

On top of that, they don't share your concerns or otherwise they would not have traded for him or extended him just months ago. All in all, I don't think this makes any sense, UNLESS it's Fox himself who is on board with finding a new home, which would conceivably happen if he finds himself outplayed by Harper. I don't think this is imminent, but could be in play a couple of years from now, just not right now. It's more an observation of historical patterns than my own desires, really.

[wemby]

Ja isn’t available. Fox and Pippen are.

You sure about that? Hmmm... let me doubt that.

[mademan]

Interesting. I don’t think either is traded unless the Celtics upgrade seriously somehow. Both are on team friendly contracts and great fit for the Cs.

I could see something like White + Schierman for FVV + Eason.

I don’t see anything like that happening. What is the rational for the Celtics?

I like it for both teams with a PHX 1st involved. Maybe another low value protected 1st on top

[mademan]

I think Ja gets traded, and probably for a lot less than people think. What might keep him in Memphis is a lack of a real market for him. He's small, cant defend, cant shoot with a fragile body and is now 2 full seasons (and 5 games) removed from upper star level play. I cant immediately think of a landing spot for him that would be willing to pay a decent price

[esvl]

Ja isn’t available. Fox and Pippen are.

You sure about that? Hmmm... let me doubt that.

After the game yesterday, Ja has become available at the right price. No fking lowball offers.

[jscott]

Ja isn’t available. Fox and Pippen are.

You sure about that? Hmmm... let me doubt that.

After the game yesterday, Ja has become available at the right price. No fking lowball offers.

I mean, after yesterday’s game there isn’t a lot of value in a malcontent (especially with his history.)

[mademan]

Ja isn’t available. Fox and Pippen are.

You sure about that? Hmmm... let me doubt that.

After the game yesterday, Ja has become available at the right price. No fking lowball offers.

2024 and 2025 Morant arent worth that much though. Memphis will ask for a 2023 Morant price tag, but no team will pay that. He probably wont go for as much as Bane (an overpay in its own right, but at least a player teams will convince themselves will fit, like Bridges)

[esvl]

You sure about that? Hmmm... let me doubt that.

After the game yesterday, Ja has become available at the right price. No fking lowball offers.

2024 and 2025 Morant arent worth that much though. Memphis will ask for a 2023 Morant price tag, but no team will pay that. He probably wont go for as much as Bane (an overpay in its own right, but at least a player teams will convince themselves will fit, like Bridges)

He is worth the best offer MEM receives. The rest is speculative sheet.

[mademan]

After the game yesterday, Ja has become available at the right price. No fking lowball offers.

2024 and 2025 Morant arent worth that much though. Memphis will ask for a 2023 Morant price tag, but no team will pay that. He probably wont go for as much as Bane (an overpay in its own right, but at least a player teams will convince themselves will fit, like Bridges)

He is worth the best offer MEM receives. The rest is speculative sheet.

Sure. And we discuss value here. Morants current play over the past few seasons, lack of availability, poor roster fit in the modern NBA (cant shoot, cant defend) and offcourt/attitude issues...im not sure who values him to give enough for the Grizz to trade him unless theyve become deadset on moving him (which they should, imo)

[jbk1234]

If the Grizzlies can get positive value for Morant, they should move him. If they can't, they should pull Ja and his agent into a meeting and tell them that they're open to providing him with a fresh start, but if his attitude doesn't improve, it won't be possible.

[wemby]

Ja isn’t available. Fox and Pippen are.

You sure about that? Hmmm... let me doubt that.

After the game yesterday, Ja has become available at the right price. No fking lowball offers.

Well maybe it would have helped if the Grizzlies had thought of that A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO when his on and off court issues became common knowledge. The evidence was there long ago.

[esvl]

2024 and 2025 Morant arent worth that much though. Memphis will ask for a 2023 Morant price tag, but no team will pay that. He probably wont go for as much as Bane (an overpay in its own right, but at least a player teams will convince themselves will fit, like Bridges)

He is worth the best offer MEM receives. The rest is speculative sheet.

Sure. And we discuss value here. Morants current play over the past few seasons, lack of availability, poor roster fit in the modern NBA (cant shoot, cant defend) and offcourt/attitude issues...im not sure who values him to give enough for the Grizz to trade him unless theyve become deadset on moving him (which they should, imo)

Nobody discusses Ja’s value anymore. Everything is hate and crap.