SAC/NJ/LA

ecuhus1981 · Post #21 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 4:05 pm

^

OK, you just mentioned in my "revised" thread that moving SAR was not an objective of your salary dump, and yet you mention him here as a target to relive you of salary. You're not going to pull a bait-and-switch from SAR to KT without a substantial change in the other team's offer.

As for Sean, believe what you want. He's already showing more upside than Tyrus, Renaldo and many other athletic freaks with whom he's compared; but I still wouldn't consider him the centerpiece of the trade. Rather, he's one of two prospective franchise deputies to Kevin's sheriff in the Kings' future.

longfellow44 · Post #22 » by **longfellow44** » Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:04 pm

^^^ I have to agree with you S Williams would be great in a Kings jersey and his upside is huge. He's averaging 2 blocks a game in his rookie year this is exactly what we have been asking for. Plus we have an open door policy in Sac-town meaning we took Artest and we shouldn't have a problem with S Williams.

SacKingZZZ · Post #23 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 5:02 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

NEW SIG!

I'm honored! :lol:

longfellow44 · Post #24 » by **longfellow44** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 6:56 am

I just wanted to bring this topic back for another run on the first page because I think it's one of the best trades for Artest value wise. Not only is it good for the kings but it's good for the other teams involved.

ecuhus1981 · Post #25 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 6:59 am

I agree. LA fans still feel like Odom = RJ though ( :roll:

), so they're not interested in getting a legit 2nd option at the expense of Critt.

longfellow44 · Post #26 » by **longfellow44** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:02 am

they like odom for the match up with the suns but what is that going to do for them if they don't make it out of the first round. So what if it's a good match up if you can't win the series did the matchup really matter that much.

Post #27 » by **pillwenney** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:58 am

dcash4 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

his inability to spread the floor for bynum would kill the lakers inside attack.

Mikki can spread the floor just fine. He has a good mid-range jumper.

As for the original deal, I agree that the Kings have to take it. I don't know where people are getting the "Sean Williams hasn't proven anything" idea, considering that he was an absolute stud against us. I would kill to get the guy on this team, and he would be the perfect fit next to Spencer.

sackings916 · Post #28 » by **sackings916** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:33 am

^I like this trade for all 3 teams as well as I stated earlier. RJ is a much better player than Odom IMO. I dont see Odom ever averaging 25 a game, and those few extra rebounds dont make up for it.But I think Kings fans are overrating Williams a bit. He is very athletic and a great shotblocker but other than that he doesn't have much else. For him to start next to Hawes he'll have to develop some sort of offense.

Bac2Basics · Post #29 » by **Bac2Basics** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:10 pm

I think the Kings would seriously have to consider this deal.

As to the Lakers PF issue with it, I could see a Kwame Brown for Douby & Kenny Thomas part being added to this if it would help.

ecuhus1981 · Post #30 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 5:00 pm

Help who?

hermes · Post #31 » by **hermes** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 5:10 pm

good for kings

but the lakers don't do it
rj doesn't play PF

Bac2Basics · Post #32 » by **Bac2Basics** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 11:09 pm

U-Borat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I figured it was a long shot, but had to throw it out there.

sackings916 · Post #33 » by **sackings916** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:00 am

The Lakers wouldn't need a premium PF when you have 2 premier scorers in Kobe Bryant and Richard Jefferson. Radmanovic is serviceable at the 4 in that he would spread the floor for Kobe,RJ,Bynum and get open looks along with Fisher. Turiaf would also bring energy and toughness off the bench. They lose rebounding but gain scoring,shooting,perimeter defense and athleticism. This trade def. makes the Lakers a better team.

Fisher
Kobe
Jefferson
Radmanovic
Bynum

with Farmar,Sasha,Walton,Ariza,Turiaf,Brown to round out the bench.

Post #34 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:02 am

sackings916 wrote:^I like this trade for all 3 teams as well as I stated earlier. RJ is a much better player than Odom IMO. I dont see Odom ever averaging 25 a game, and those few extra rebounds dont make up for it.But I think Kings fans are overrating Williams a bit. He is very athletic and a great shotblocker but other than that he doesn't have much else. For him to start next to Hawes he'll have to develop some sort of offense.

He can catch and finish very well. If Spencer develops, we won't need him to be great offensively.

Smills91 · Post #35 » by **Smills91** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:49 am

wezbo wrote:wow i like this trade

even though im a laker fan it seems pretty fair for all teams

Classic, I love that you treat this as a novelty. Brilliant

incontrol__ · Post #36 » by **incontrol__** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:05 pm

As has already been stated multiple times, since Jefferson can't play PF and would create an even worse log-jam at SF (we already have Ariza, Walton and sometimes Vlad there), we wouldn't do this deal. And we definetly wouldn't add Critt.

Also, I preferred your previous location, Smills.

You know.. the one about Hawes being better than Bynum. That was a good one.

Smills91 · Post #37 » by **Smills91** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:51 pm

incontrol__ wrote:As has already been stated multiple times, since Jefferson can't play PF and would create an even worse log-jam at SF (we already have Ariza, Walton and sometimes Vlad there), we wouldn't do this deal. And we definetly wouldn't add Critt.

Also, I preferred your previous location, Smills.

You know.. the one about Hawes being better than Bynum. That was a good one.

I'm a patient one...where was Bynum at 19? It'll definitely be a battle down the road.

incontrol__ · Post #38 » by **incontrol__** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:00 pm

Bynum was actually starting 53 games for the Lakers and putting up 7.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg and 1.6 bpg in 21.9 mpg when he was 19. :lol:

Of course, he did barely anything in his rookie season. :wink:

Smills91 · Post #39 » by **Smills91** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:05 pm

incontrol__ wrote:Bynum was actually starting 53 games for the Lakers and putting up 7.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg and 1.6 bpg in 21.9 mpg when he was 19.

Of course, he did barely anything in his rookie season.

Yeah, referring more to his rookie season, since Hawes was unable to come out of HS in the draft. He also has a Brad Miller in front of him taking minutes away from him...so. It'll be a couple three years for Spencer.

Bynum had the body with no skills, Hawes has the skills but no body coming into the league.

Bynum has had to learn the skills, whereas Hawes will have to develop his body.

I still think Hawes will have a tremendous career in the NBA with his ability to hit outside shots AND take into the paint.

spidythejoe · Post #40 » by **spidythejoe** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:34 pm

At the risk of making this trade overly complicated, what if Seattle was also included, sending a package of Chirs Wilcox and Damien Wilkins for Kwame Brown and Javaris Crittenton.

Wilkins would go to NJ.

Breakdown then looks like this.

Sacramento
In: Jason Collins, Sean Williams, Top 10 protected first
Out: Ron Artest

I think Williams and first is plenty for Artest.

New Jersey
In: Lamar Odom, Damien Wilkins, Ron Artest
Out: Jason Collins, Richard Jefferson, Sean Williams, Top 10 protected first

Win. Now.

Los Angeles
In: Richard Jefferson, Chris Wilcox
Out: Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, Javaris Crittenton

Abrakadabra: a second option and a power forward for LA.

Seattle
In: Kwame Brown('s expiring contract), Javaris Crittenton
Out: Damien Wilkins, Chris Wilcox

Lots of money and a point guard for a power forward who will hopefully be replaced by Michael Beasly.

Edit: For spelling.