Marbury to Portland

[legacyinthemakin89c]

I know Paul Allen is loaded, but Oden, Roy and Aldridge are likely to get contracts in the 10 million and up range, and then you give them this free agent, who will probably have a huge contract and then you have almost 50 million in 4 players. It just gets hard to maneuver and build team around that. New York didn't have any success with that, and keep in mind, they weren't always a laughing stock. Dallas did it to an extent, but they didn't have 4 overly priced players. I just think it would be better for the franchise to build this up gradually. If you look at all the great teams the nba has had, they weren't just thrown together. They took some time, some luck with the draft and some smart cap maneuvering to become so great and I think Portland has the potential to become a team like that if they build it up the right way, patiently.

[deadfeather]

There has been a proposal on this board before, I think Darkhelmit was the creator of it. The gist of it is;

PDX out

Raef
Miles
Jack

NY out

Marbs
Rose

Believe it or not, despite taking on the extra year of Miles contract they save over $4 mil in this deal. That even includes lux tax and all. Both teams are just trading unwanted contracts. Jack and the $4 mil savings is NY's incentive. Dumping Miles is PDX's incentive. Many Blazer fans do not want to trade Jack. Personally I would not hesitate. He is not in Portlands long term plans with Roy, Blake and Sergio.

I would agree for the most part. Jack isn't in the future plans for Portland, but is very serviceable until his contract ends in 2009.

[AZ BLAZER]

I know Paul Allen is loaded, but Oden, Roy and Aldridge are likely to get contracts in the 10 million and up range, and then you give them this free agent, who will probably have a huge contract and then you have almost 50 million in 4 players. It just gets hard to maneuver and build team around that. New York didn't have any success with that, and keep in mind, they weren't always a laughing stock. Dallas did it to an extent, but they didn't have 4 overly priced players. I just think it would be better for the franchise to build this up gradually. If you look at all the great teams the nba has had, they weren't just thrown together. They took some time, some luck with the draft and some smart cap maneuvering to become so great and I think Portland has the potential to become a team like that if they build it up the right way, patiently.

We understand what you are saying, but it really does not apply to Portlands situation here, no offense. Thomas traded for players that were over rated, over paid, etc... Just like the old Blazers, spending big money on underachievers. Portland is now in the ridiculously enviable position of having some incredible drafts with all of their players hitting their strides at the same time. Come playoff time most teams go eight players deep. Here is what Portland will have;

Roy
Aldridge
Oden
Webster
Blake
Outlaw
Jones
Sergio
Pryz
Frye
Rudy

Those are all young guys deserving of time. Portland will be able to pick up a free agent if they can move Miles. But if they do, they will still have to thin out the roster. They have a first rounder this year and next, as well as three high second rounders this year. Add in the two other euros they have stashed.

Take into account an owner that will pay the lux tax if he has the right players and a title contender and things just gey a little awe inspiring.

I do not see hoe comparing this Portland collection of talent compares with the Bulls collection. They have never had any bigs that are worthy of big money. Wallace is a collossal mistake. Portlands youth is two deep at all positions. You see how they are playing now with little experience. Will they be the best ever? Who knows. I am not saying that. I sure know they will keep the core together for a long, long time.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I'm one of the few Portland fans who really likes the idea of using Marbury to get out of Miles' contract. And I do like it. A lot. I hope Miles gets on the court soon and convinces Isiah he could be helpful to the Knicks.

[PhilipNelsonFan]

To those who still think Paul Allen can't afford Roy, Aldridge, and Oden when their contracts come up for renewal, allow me to present three figures (all numbers per Hoopshype):

$23,750,000
$16,360,095
$16,000,000

Those are the salaries of Boston's big three: Garnett makes the most, followed by Pierce and Allen. Boston's current team payroll is at around $75 million; Portland's is a hair under $74 million and this include Steve Francis' contract. So you want to pay Oden $24 million in the future? He's making $4 million right now, and if you eliminate Raef LaFrentz's and Darius Miles' contracts, there's your $24 million. Brandon Roy? Franchise was bought out for around $17 million a year, a competitive figure for Mr. Roy. LaMarcus? Bird rights will enable Paul Allen to add about $10-$12 million to his $4 million salary.

So before you mindlessly type away at your keyboard, please STFU and understand that Portland not only has the means but the desire to retain all three players, and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it.

Have a nice day.

[Village Idiot]

There has been a proposal on this board before, I think Darkhelmit was the creator of it. The gist of it is;

PDX out

Raef
Miles
Jack

NY out

Marbs
Rose

Believe it or not, despite taking on the extra year of Miles contract they save over $4 mil in this deal. That even includes lux tax and all. Both teams are just trading unwanted contracts. Jack and the $4 mil savings is NY's incentive. Dumping Miles is PDX's incentive. Many Blazer fans do not want to trade Jack. Personally I would not hesitate. He is not in Portlands long term plans with Roy, Blake and Sergio.

I like that deal a lot for both teams. I know Jack isn't the point guard of the future for Portland. We need to move him to get Sergio playing time.

Moving Miles means Portland doesn't have to choose between extending Frye, Webster, Outlaw and Blake and going after a max free agent in 2009 or maybe even 2010.

I'd be willing to bet Paul Allen would toss in $3 million to grease wheels.

[DeezXXnutZ]

Why are the Knicks fans repeteadly trying to trade Marbury to the Blazers..We already took Francis and bought him out but we dumped Zach and took your best player while we did it...There isn't a player left on your team we would be at all interested in at this point in time...Another reason I wouldn't deal Lafrentz is that he will come in handy when its time to trade for an allstar calliber player in the near future...Marbury's contract is absurd to say the least and untradable even as an expiring......

[Mykhyn]

The bigger question.. If Marbury is bought out will anyone even sign him?

[deadfeather]

Why are the Knicks fans repeteadly trying to trade Marbury to the Blazers..We already took Francis and bought him out but we dumped Zach and took your best player while we did it...There isn't a player left on your team we would be at all interested in at this point in time...Another reason I wouldn't deal Lafrentz is that he will come in handy when its time to trade for an allstar calliber player in the near future...Marbury's contract is absurd to say the least and untradable even as an expiring......

I'm a Blazer fan. See my location???

[#1knickfan]

The bigger question.. If Marbury is bought out will anyone even sign him?

Most definately. Marbury's desirability to other teams will go up as his price tag goes down.

[#1knickfan]

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I'm a Blazer fan. See my location???

I think you underestimate the Knicks popularity.

[DeezXXnutZ]

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I'm a Blazer fan. See my location???

OK then, LaFrentz's contract is in the 13 million a year ball park compared to Marburys 22 million...This makes it near impossible to trade Marbury because there are only like 5 players in the league making that kind of scratch...And none of them are on the market let alone not for Marbury..

Lafrentz contract will be right in the neighborhood of players we will be interested in trading for..We can easily add some talent with small contracts with Lafrentz and get a bonified allstar in return...

[hermes]

i don't think portland wants anymore knicks

[DeezXXnutZ]

i don't think portland wants anymore knicks

Hey it's E Honda...I remember that guy from streetfighter...How about this trade idea...

Blazers Trade:

Darius Miles
Guile
1st Rounder

Knicks Trade:

Stephon Marbury
E Honda
Rights to Ryu

[Luv those Knicks]

Portland buys out Marbury's contract ala Steve Francis.



New York trades:

Stephon Marbury

Mardy Collins

Randolph Morris



New York Receives:

Raef Lafrentz

Darius Miles

Portland first round draft pick 2010

First of all, let me say that I've found some of the replies to this thread offensive.


This is a cap creating move for Portland, thats why Portland would consider this. Where (other than NY) do you think Portland could readily unload Miles' & Raef's contract.

Would Portland want this badly enough to give NY a first rounder? I don't know.


On Marbury, Marbs may be have surgury soon on an inflamed bone in his foot, he could miss 6-8 weeks. Marbs & Isiah seem to be clashing this year and Crawford is handling the PG position well enough. NY might move Marbs for junk like Miles/Raef.

Marbs would probably be open to a buyout in Portland too, which would save Portland even more money, then Marbs could sign with Miami or Cleveland or - who knows. For the record, at times, Marbs has played well this year, even on D.


what would NY do with Raef (LaDooDoo) or Miles? Well, a healthy Miles might start at SF. NY probaby wouldn't include Mardy in this deal. If we move Marbs, we'd want to hold onto our only pure PG in Mardy.


Overall it's a well thought out trade and balanced with benefits to both teams. It's just a hard trade to love cause nobody wants Marbury.

[Wizenheimer]

Portland buys out Marbury's contract ala Steve Francis.



New York trades:

Stephon Marbury

Mardy Collins

Randolph Morris



New York Receives:

Raef Lafrentz

Darius Miles

Portland first round draft pick 2010

First of all, let me say that I've found some of the replies to this thread offensive.


This is a cap creating move for Portland, thats why Portland would consider this. Where (other than NY) do you think Portland could readily unload Miles' & Raef's contract.

Would Portland want this badly enough to give NY a first rounder? I don't know.


On Marbury, Marbs may be have surgury soon on an inflamed bone in his foot, he could miss 6-8 weeks. Marbs & Isiah seem to be clashing this year and Crawford is handling the PG position well enough. NY might move Marbs for junk like Miles/Raef.

Marbs would probably be open to a buyout in Portland too, which would save Portland even more money, then Marbs could sign with Miami or Cleveland or - who knows. For the record, at times, Marbs has played well this year, even on D.


what would NY do with Raef (LaDooDoo) or Miles? Well, a healthy Miles might start at SF. NY probaby wouldn't include Mardy in this deal. If we move Marbs, we'd want to hold onto our only pure PG in Mardy.


Overall it's a well thought out trade and balanced with benefits to both teams. It's just a hard trade to love cause nobody wants Marbury.

I agree with your points.

The thing about a trade like this is that both team's front offices hold their noses while looking to the future. This is a situation where there are different benefits to each team in exchanging stinky contract, perhaps enough to make both teams agree.

I understand about NY maybe having reluctance to move Mardy Collins in this deal. To be honest, I'm not sure why either team would really need to move other assets then lafrentz + miles for marbury.

So if the trade is simplified to just that, then the equation is a lot simpler to analyze. Over the next 2 years the combined salaries of Lafrentz and Miles is 41.8 million while francis's salary is a little over 42 million. So the salary exchange is a push, with a slight edge to NY.

The problem arises with the 3rd year of the Miles contract...9 million. Now it looks like even adding that to NY's salary base, the Knicks will be under the luxury tax threshold, so the 9 million would be the total that would have to be 'equalized'. Part of the equalization may be that Miles is practicing now and I believe he has been cleared to play by the doctors. He may actually be able to contribute to a team soon, and if he comes close to his original form he may be effective for the Knicks. So that just leaves some money issues...maybe.

We have a term in portland, and its SPAM (spending paul allen's money). So as long as we're doing that, we can sweeten the pot a bit for NY by modifying the original trade and adding a secondary one:

trade 1 = Lafrentz, Miles, and 3 million cash for Marbury

trade 2 = one of portland's 2008 2nd round picks and 3 million cash for NY's 2010 2nd round pick

does that get it done?

[DeezXXnutZ]

I guess I'd pull the trigger on your trade Wize but I still think we're better off holding onto LaFrentz contract for this summer...It will be valuable then....

[moocow007]

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I would agree for the most part. Jack isn't in the future plans for Portland, but is very serviceable until his contract ends in 2009.

Problem is NY doesn't need someone that just "serviceable" at the PG position. They already have guys that are "serviceable" (Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, Mardy Collins). What they lack is a franchise caliber (or at the very least a strong starting caliber) PG (assuming Marbury is out of the picture...which he likely is). Jaret Jack isn't going to give them that or Portland wouldn't have had a need for all those other PG's they've collected.

It really comes down to the value of the extra $9 million in capspace after next season that will be cleared up for the Blazers. If they are going to be trying to extend/retain their own players OR if they are trying to sign a big name free agent (and if they manage to dump Miles contract they'd have close to $20 million in capspace for a free agent class that will contain quite a few studs) then the value of this deal would be far greater than a $4 million savings for NY (a drop of the hat) and a marginal backupish PG.

[Wizenheimer]

I guess I'd pull the trigger on your trade Wize but I still think we're better off holding onto LaFrentz contract for this summer...It will be valuable then....

there is a problem with 'holding' Lafrentz's contract for it's expiring value. That is if portland could somehow find a taker, they're almost certainly not going to get a great player...just someone with a longer contract. To even get a marginally good player they'll have to add some other assets on their end. And making the trade would effectively end any hope of cap space in 2009.

Lafrentz may have more value to Portland as an expiring contract then anything they could hope to get in return.

[moocow007]

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there is a problem with 'holding' Lafrentz's contract for it's expiring value. That is if portland could somehow find a taker, they're almost certainly not going to get a great player...just someone with a longer contract. To even get a marginally good player they'll have to add some other assets on their end. And making the trade would effectively end any hope of cap space in 2009.

Lafrentz may have more value to Portland as an expiring contract then anything they could hope to get in return.

Yep, pretty much right on. Large expiring contracts also haven't had the "selling power" recently that one might believe. And like you said, in order to get anyone worth a lick just an expiring contract is not going to do. The key for Portland in this trade is removing Miles $9 million owed in 2009-2010 for a contract that expires after the 2008-2009 season so they can have big capspace which, depending on your POV about capspace could potentially be HUGE in further upgrading an already pretty darn good looking team.