GSW/SAC

Post #21 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:08 am

Bac2Basics wrote:There are only a handful of players in the league that Sacramento would/should consider trading Kevin Martin for, and Golden State doesn't have a single one of those players on it's roster.

So you wouldn't trade Martin for Ellis and Biedrins?

Smills91 · Post #22 » by **Smills91** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:12 am

VintaGe36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So you wouldn't trade Martin for Ellis and Biedrins?

Would you trade Butler for Ellis/Biedrins?

RIPskaterdude · Post #23 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:12 am

Martin is having an All-Star season. I doubt he'll be traded unless an All-Star type player comes back. Wright, while having alot of promise, has not shown that he is an All-Star player.

Why would the Kings trade a young, PROVEN star for a young...hopefully will turn into a star?

Post #24 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:15 am

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Would you trade Butler for Ellis/Biedrins?

If, I had two 2/3 players,(Salmons and Artest) that are both very talenented and both could start, and a PF/C(Hawes) who would compliment Biedrins, than yeah, I think I would.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #25 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:16 am

VintaGe36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So you wouldn't trade Martin for Ellis and Biedrins?

That trade wasn't offered.

He said players (meaning singular players one for one) not packages.

Post #26 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:20 am

Bac2Basics wrote:There are only a handful of players in the league that Sacramento would/should consider trading Kevin Martin for, and Golden State doesn't have a single one of those players on it's roster.

Doesn't sound like it to me, but to each his own, we may read it differently.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #27 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:22 am

VintaGe36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Doesn't sound like it to me, but to each his own, we may read it differently.

I read that we wouldn't trade Martin for anyone on the Warriors straight up (I'd personally do it for Baron Davis :wink:

) but he never commented on players together.

Post #28 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:23 am

yeah, but IMO

Biedrins for Martin straight up would be good for the Kings, but I know I'll get bashed for it.

RIPskaterdude · Post #29 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:23 am

Artest93 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I read that we wouldn't trade Martin for anyone on the Warriors straight up (I'd personally do it for Baron Davis ) but he never commented on players together.

Post #30 » by **KF10** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:25 am

VintaGe36 wrote:yeah, but IMO

Biedrins for Martin straight up would be good for the Kings, but I know I'll get bashed for it.

Yeah, you will... Just be prepared....

RIPskaterdude · Post #31 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:25 am

VintaGe36 wrote:yeah, but IMO

Biedrins for Martin straight up would be good for the Kings, but I know I'll get bashed for it.

Kings then follow up with a Kenny Thomas for Baron Davis trade.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #32 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:28 am

VintaGe36 wrote:yeah, but IMO

Biedrins for Martin straight up would be good for the Kings, but I know I'll get bashed for it.

Ya you will but not from me ( Warrior fans will bash it too from their perpective and they have their right to think that)

While the Kings do have players that are good behind Kevin Martin, they still aren't Kevin Martin.

Post #33 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:30 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kings then follow up with a Kenny Thomas for Baron Davis trade.

O please, it is NOT that bad.

Biedrins is a defensive C, one that would compliment Hawes quite well.

Not to mention trading Martin would put you guys in the lottery for sure.

Getting a top 5 pick in this draft would do wonders IMO.

Lets say you guys draft Derrick Rose, or OJ Mayo

Rose/Mayo
Salmons
Artest(Some Kings fans said he could be a future part of your team)
Hawes
Biedrins

Looks REALLY good.

But hey, I dont expect Kings fans to like what I put, it was simply an observation.

RIPskaterdude · Post #34 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:33 am

VintaGe36 wrote:
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:O please, it is NOT that bad.

Biedrins is a defensive C, one that would compliment Hawes quite well.

Not to mention trading Martin would put you guys in the lottery for sure.

Getting a top 5 pick in this draft would do wonders IMO.

Lets say you guys draft Derrick Rose, or OJ Mayo

Rose/Mayo
Salmons
Artest(Some Kings fans said he could be a future part of your team)
Hawes
Biedrins

Looks REALLY good.

But hey, I dont expect Kings fans to like what I put, it was simply an observation.

Using your observation, maybe the Kings should take Biedrins and Baron Davis for KT and Bibby, then when your team gets a top 5 draft pick next year, you'll look really good!

Post #35 » by **KF10** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:34 am

VintaGe36 wrote:O please, it is NOT that bad.

Biedrins is a defensive C, one that would compliment Hawes quite well.

Not to mention trading Martin would put you guys in the lottery for sure.

Getting a top 5 pick in this draft would do wonders IMO.

Lets say you guys draft Derrick Rose, or OJ Mayo

Rose/Mayo
Salmons
Artest(Some Kings fans said he could be a future part of your team)
Hawes
Biedrins

Looks REALLY good.

But hey, I dont expect Kings fans to like what I put, it was simply an observation.

We cant out suck the Wolves and the Heats to get the 1st pick (Rose) :lol:

BTW we played w/o Martin and we are still a respectable team...not terrible...You have to consider that we will still have Artest/Bibby/Miller and etc...to not be a lock at the lottery....

Anyways, it's TOO unrealistic to trade Martin....We signed his extension and he is our franchise player....Why trade the franchise player?

Post #36 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:35 am

I'm sorry but what?

GSW would laugh at Biedrins and Davis for KT and Bibby

Biedrins for Martin is ALOT more fair.

RIPskaterdude · Post #37 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:38 am

VintaGe36 wrote:I'm sorry but what?

GSW would laugh at Biedrins and Davis for KT and Bibby

Biedrins for Martin is ALOT more fair.

Yeah, but once again, you are basically saying that the Kings should trade their YOUNG, PROVEN, FRANCHISE PLAYER so they can suck enough to get a top 5 pick.

Therefore, I propose that the Warriors can do the same thing.

Rose and Ellis. OMG WHAT A BACKCOURT! DO IT!

Post #38 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:43 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah, but once again, you are basically saying that the Kings should trade their YOUNG, PROVEN, FRANCHISE PLAYER so they can suck enough to get a top 5 pick.

Therefore, I propose that the Warriors can do the same thing.

Rose and Ellis. OMG WHAT A BACKCOURT! DO IT!

The difference?

SAC isn't stuck with a terrible contract, like in your trade.

GSW gets an upgrade, albeit at a different position, unlike your trade, where GSW downgrades for no good reason at all,(except said top 5 pick)

However in my deal, Sacremento gets an upgrade,(or eventual upgrade)
AND the chance at a top 5 pick.

Your logic here is faulty at best.

I wasn't expecting SAC fans to be happy about it, but if you don't have a legitimate point, spare me with your sarcastic post.

RIPskaterdude · Post #39 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:46 am

VintaGe36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The difference?

SAC isn't stuck with a terrible contract, like in your trade.

GSW gets an upgrade, albeit at a different position, unlike your trade, where GSW downgrades for no good reason at all,(except said top 5 pick)

However in my deal, Sacremento gets an upgrade,(or eventual upgrade)
AND the chance at a top 5 pick.

Your logic here is faulty at best.

I wasn't expecting SAC fans to be happy about it, but if you don't have a legitimate point, spare me with your sarcastic post.

And all we have to do is give up Kevin Martin :crazy:

Post #40 » by **KF10** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:48 am

Does Beans merit the value of a young rising star, Kevin Martin? Beans is good but not Martin good IMO....