Brad Miller to LA

[dockingsched]

lakers would never acquire brad miller and his contract.

[KF10]

I appreciate the courtesy in explaining your side but I don't think the Kings can grab the 8th. As for the offer being declined, I respect that.

Here's why I say the Kings won't make it to 8th (let alone 7th or 6th):

Phoenix sits atop the West with a 29-12 record. With the Northwest division winner as the sure fourth, the Mavs, Hornets, Lakers and Spurs are merely 1.5 games behind the conference leader. Safe to say, we already have 6 places LOCKED for the playoffs.

Portland is playing inspired basketball. With Oden out for the season and having a relatively easy 1st half sked, I can see Utah stealing that spot from them with Houston lurking as the 10th seed. The bottom half of the West is comprised of GSW, Utah, Portland, Houston and Sacramento.

IF Sacramento plays well enough (meaning winning 2/3 of their games from hereonin), they will sport a record of 28-15 in the next 43 games. Add that to the current standing, Sacramento will have a record of 45-37.

Houston is sporting 21-19. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 42-40.

Utah is sporting 23-18. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 43-39.

Golden State is sporting 25-17. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 45-37.

Portland is sporting 24-16. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 45-37.

Unless one of the six on top will relinquish in part their games to winning less than 50% of their remaining games, they will not be in danger of losing a playoff spot.

Based on this, it will be:
GSW 45-37, Portland 45-37, Utah 43-39, Houston 42-20 and Sacramento (who has to win 67%) 45-37.

Using the numbers above, that's a very unlikely situation. Utah will win at least 50%, and so will Houston. In my ranking, they are even 4th and 5th in the West respectively. Due to unforeseen injuries and all that jazz, they are somehow playing for a playoff spot.

I can see only Portland NOT WINNING 50% of their remaining games due to inexperience and strength of schedule.

So kingsfan10, I respectfully disagree that the Kings are a 6/7/8 seed. They MIGHT grab a spot but ONLY IF they win 70% of their remaining games. In my book, highly unlikely.

Wow, true. There could be situations that other teams get cold or hot in one stretch or etc... There could be a chance. IMO Kings have to win ~65% of their games but like you said it's unlikely but you never know....Also, you forgot that if this team is healthy for the whole season, it pretty clear that this team is roughly a 6/7/8 seeded team to say the least...

[Bac2Basics]

Brad Miller has proven he can still play at a high level and being that center is probably the thinnest position in the league, Miller would be incredibly hard to replace which should be the true nature of establishing value.

Miller's contract isn't a bargain, but it's not terrible given his production and the thin nature of the center position. He's probably still in the neighborhood of a top 10 center and a 1st round pick isn't too much for that.

[Bac2Basics]

Brad Miller has proven he can still play at a high level and being that center is probably the thinnest position in the league, Miller would be incredibly hard to replace which should be the true nature of establishing value.

Miller's contract isn't a bargain, but it's not terrible given his production and the thin nature of the center position. He's probably still in the neighborhood of a top 10 center and a 1st round pick isn't too much for that.

[SacKingZZZ]

I appreciate the courtesy in explaining your side but I don't think the Kings can grab the 8th. As for the offer being declined, I respect that.

Here's why I say the Kings won't make it to 8th (let alone 7th or 6th):

Phoenix sits atop the West with a 29-12 record. With the Northwest division winner as the sure fourth, the Mavs, Hornets, Lakers and Spurs are merely 1.5 games behind the conference leader. Safe to say, we already have 6 places LOCKED for the playoffs.

Portland is playing inspired basketball. With Oden out for the season and having a relatively easy 1st half sked, I can see Utah stealing that spot from them with Houston lurking as the 10th seed. The bottom half of the West is comprised of GSW, Utah, Portland, Houston and Sacramento.

IF Sacramento plays well enough (meaning winning 2/3 of their games from hereonin), they will sport a record of 28-15 in the next 43 games. Add that to the current standing, Sacramento will have a record of 45-37.

Houston is sporting 21-19. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 42-40.

Utah is sporting 23-18. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 43-39.

Golden State is sporting 25-17. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 45-37.

Portland is sporting 24-16. If they go 50% in their remaining games, they will sport 45-37.

Unless one of the six on top will relinquish in part their games to winning less than 50% of their remaining games, they will not be in danger of losing a playoff spot.

Based on this, it will be:
GSW 45-37, Portland 45-37, Utah 43-39, Houston 42-20 and Sacramento (who has to win 67%) 45-37.

Using the numbers above, that's a very unlikely situation. Utah will win at least 50%, and so will Houston. In my ranking, they are even 4th and 5th in the West respectively. Due to unforeseen injuries and all that jazz, they are somehow playing for a playoff spot.

I can see only Portland NOT WINNING 50% of their remaining games due to inexperience and strength of schedule.

So kingsfan10, I respectfully disagree that the Kings are a 6/7/8 seed. They MIGHT grab a spot but ONLY IF they win 70% of their remaining games. In my book, highly unlikely.

Thanks for writing all of that out! Very interesting and concerns a lot of the things I have been wondering about. This might be worth posting at the Kings board in a playoff watch type of scenario.

[sacking123]

Good point about the expiring contracts Cammo.
Any Kings fan has to realise that if we are getting expiring contracts for Miller, bibby etc then they really don't have to be any good at all because we would be rebuilding.
What some other teams fans need to realise is what rebuilding teams want/need aren't just expirings, its young talent and/or pick(s).

Cammo I don't agree with you that its overpaying just for expirings, Miller is at least worth this package from Warren Weel.
The difference between the lakers maybe getting Brad miller and a JO is that the Lakers would have to attach Odom onto it.
Is it worth it for the Lakers? Maybe
But a Lakers core of Kobe, Odom, Fisher, Miller, Bynum, Walton is very, very good.

[DanTown8587]

As a fan of any team, I would rather be a lottery team than the eight seed, especially in the West. I mean, the East its one thing, any team can get to the finals out there. But the west has teams that won't make the playoffs that would be top 4 in the East. With Artest not coming back (i'm not saying MLE to NY, but he will not be a King next year), you won't get that "well, lets take one shot" and if you could move Miller for an expiring and 1st round pick, you HAVE to do it.

[warren weel im]

On the money simon. We get better as a whole and this is one move where we actually "add" not replace.

My valuation suggests Kwame, Sasha and 08 1st is equal to Brad Miller give or take a little, perhaps some future 2nds from Sacto

[dflaschberger]

this deal is fair and the lakers should take it. Miller would be the PERFECT 3rd big for the lakers. i don't believe kwame and throwins will be turned into a star. Miller is solid and nice for the triangle. The lakers must keep winning.
I would have said kwame and critterton for miller

Sac should start the dump. The West is tough, too tough for them. Build around the young guys and picks. They, AT BEST, are a low playoff seed with aging key guys (with Artest being an unpredictable). Dumping Miller now saves them mucho $ for their rebuild

WHY fight their tails off to get swept?

[warren weel im]

On the contrary, if it was Crittenton asked of, the Lakers won't do it.

Since the Lakers will be capped out and maxed out on tax next year, Crittenton is our insurance as Kobe's backup.

[hermes]

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Wow, you actually think a late pick is overpaying?

its a late pick so it seems right to me

[warren weel im]

I think this deal is FAIR for both camps. The only thing left to be discussed here is if Mitch and Jerry accept Brad's long term contract.

[Smills91]

lakers would never acquire brad miller and his contract.

ANd that is because the Kings would never in their right mind trade Brad Miller for easily the worst #1 pick in NBA history.

[Cammo101]

As a fan of any team, I would rather be a lottery team than the eight seed, especially in the West. I mean, the East its one thing, any team can get to the finals out there. But the west has teams that won't make the playoffs that would be top 4 in the East. With Artest not coming back (i'm not saying MLE to NY, but he will not be a King next year), you won't get that "well, lets take one shot" and if you could move Miller for an expiring and 1st round pick, you HAVE to do it.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

[Cammo101]

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ANd that is because the Kings would never in their right mind trade Brad Miller for easily the worst #1 pick in NBA history.

For the 300th time...Brown is a large expiring contract, so his talent level is very secondary and not the reason for his trade value.

[chriswebb86]

As a fan of any team, I would rather be a lottery team than the eight seed, especially in the West. I mean, the East its one thing, any team can get to the finals out there. But the west has teams that won't make the playoffs that would be top 4 in the East. With Artest not coming back (i'm not saying MLE to NY, but he will not be a King next year), you won't get that "well, lets take one shot" and if you could move Miller for an expiring and 1st round pick, you HAVE to do it.

I honestly dont know why people are Jumping all over moving Brad Miller. He is the one player that is getting paid 10 million plus on this team and is worth it. Honestly if we move him who is playing the 5 for us? I guess Mikki, but then does that mean K9 is playing the 4? Also as a lot of you have probably seeing a lot of the offense is going through Brad still, so moving him would change everything. Like I said earlier the only way I am moving Brad is if K9 is attached or we are getting players that can help rebuild this team. In this trade neither really comes, so I wouldnt do. While I like the idea of having a 1st round pick I think Brad is more valuable to the Kings the most of the NBA and because of that he wont attract the type of offers the Kings would need to move him.

[Smills91]

On the money simon. We get better as a whole and this is one move where we actually "add" not replace.

My valuation suggests Kwame, Sasha and 08 1st is equal to Brad Miller give or take a little, perhaps some future 2nds from Sacto

Upgrade Sasha to Farmar or Crittenton and you're getting warmer.

[Smills91]

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For the 300th time...Brown is a large expiring contract, so his talent level is very secondary and not the reason for his trade value.

And Brad Miller is putting up Borderline all-star level numbers from the Center position.

[dockingsched]

brad miller is NOT putting up borderline all star numbers. not even close. have u looked at the all star centers in the west and their numbers?

all-stars:
yao? 22/10/50%/2.3
amare? 22//958%/2.2

real borderline all stars:
kaman 17/14/47%/3.1
camby 9/14/45%/4
jefferson 20/12/47%/1.4
chandler 12/12/60%/1.1

brad miller 14/9/45%/1/3.5 assists

borderline all star numbers? that comment is reedeecewlos

[Smills91]

brad miller is NOT putting up borderline all star numbers. not even close. have u looked at the all star centers in the west and their numbers?

all-stars:
yao? 22/10/50%/2.3
amare? 22//958%/2.2

real borderline all stars:
kaman 17/14/47%/3.1
camby 9/14/45%/4
jefferson 20/12/47%/1.4
chandler 12/12/60%/1.1

brad miller 14/9/45%/1/3.5 assists

borderline all star numbers? that comment is reedeecewlos

Brad Miller's a 3 time all-star in those years he's put up %'s of 50/80 while scoring 15 ppg grabbing 10 rpg and sropping 4-5 apg 1 bpg.
Those were his ALL-STAR level numbers and he's currently just a tad below those numbers.

Camby has been an all-star but the rest of those players never have been.