What is Rashard Lewis's value?

JES12 · Post #21 » by **JES12** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:05 pm

Just because Orlando is not publicly saying they are looking to move Lewis, you can't doubt that internally they would be listening to all offers so they can pay back their loans and/or re-sign Turk.

NetsForce · Post #22 » by **NetsForce** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:12 pm

Trying to call Lewis a bad contract is sort of pointless because Orlando wouldn't wipe the contract off of their books if given the chance.

^ Yes they would EASILY.^

Anytime you get the chance to wipe the worst contract in basketball off your books you do it, no questions asked.

Let me put it this way, $hard's making $18 million next year Emeka Okafor AND Gerald Wallace are making a combined $19 million, Kevin Martin AND Andres Nocioni are making a combined $17.1 million...

With the exception of Nocioni you can make a strong argument that the other players I listed are all better than $hard yet they're making half of what he makes...

The Magic slipped up BIG TIME with $hard's contract.

killbuckner · Post #23 » by **killbuckner** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:14 pm

Orlando has a team philosophy of surrounding Howard with shooters and Lewis is one of the few PF's that can enable that philosophy. They knew they were overpaying Lewis at the time of the contract and he has given them exactly what they expected. I honestly believe that they would turn down expiring contracts for him at this point. We have no indications to the contrary other than the fact that most of us think that Lewis is overpaid. And until we have posts of Orlando fans trying to dump him for expirings I don't really see it being an issue.

With someone like Udrih we have the value debate because Kings fans are constantly trying to dump him. Curry is the same because KNicks fans are trying to dump him for contracts that free space in 2010. But I just haven't seen Magic fans trying to dump him- I think Lewis is simply more valuable to the Magic than he is to anyone else. They have a championship contending team and I have seen no indications that they are willing to give that opportunity up If they were in cost savings mode then they simply wouldn't have signed Pietrus to that big deal.

JES12 · Post #24 » by **JES12** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:15 pm

Agreed netsforce.

If Detroit were to miraculously agree to trade Kwame for Shard, you bet Orlando would take that.

JES12 · Post #25 » by **JES12** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:18 pm

killbuckner wrote:Orlando has a team philosophy of surrounding Howard with shooters and Lewis is one of the few PF's that can enable that philosophy. They knew they were overpaying Lewis at the time of the contract and he has given them exactly what they expected. I honestly believe that they would turn down expiring contracts for him at this point. We have no indications to the contrary other than the fact that most of us think that Lewis is overpaid. And until we have posts of Orlando fans trying to dump him for expirings I don't really see it being an issue.

With someone like Udrih we have the value debate because Kings fans are constantly trying to dump him. Curry is the same because KNicks fans are trying to dump him for contracts that free space in 2010. But I just haven't seen Magic fans trying to dump him- I think Lewis is simply more valuable to the Magic than he is to anyone else. They have a championship contending team and I have seen no indications that they are willing to give that opportunity up.

This is the same thing with Dampier in Dallas. That did not stop this entire board from calling Dampier an overpaid, horrendous contract and think they are doing us a favor by offering us their trash (like Curry). And that happened WITHOUT Dallas fans posting trades to get rid of him.

killbuckner · Post #26 » by **killbuckner** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:24 pm

If this were an Orlando fan posting Lewis for an expiring contract I would be right here with you saying that he is overpaid and its a ridiculous offer. Thats the trade in the other direction. But I really don't know for sure that Orlando would accept Larry Hughes for Lewis straight up and give up all home of competing for a championship.

NetsForce · Post #27 » by **NetsForce** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:33 pm

killbuckner wrote:If this were an Orlando fan posting Lewis for an expiring contract I would be right here with you saying that he is overpaid and its a ridiculous offer. Thats the trade in the other direction. But I really don't know for sure that Orlando would accept Larry Hughes for Lewis straight up and give up all home of competing for a championship.

Someone else would have to be included to make contracts match, but pretending that those 2 contracts matched up (they're close enough), the Magic would save around $66 million...

I'm pretty sure they could take the MLE and overpay someone with those extra "savings" and more or less remain the same caliber team...

Cammo101 · Post #28 » by **Cammo101** » Thu May 7, 2009 10:15 pm

Alfred wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Orlando has zero reason to move Shard.

Replace "reason" with "chance".

Here's a reason: Orlando is hemmoraging money, and Rashard Lewis has one of the richest contracts in the league, and has a PER around 15.

Orlando is not hemorrhaging money. Orlando draws well and is moving into a new arena. Orlando is doing just fine and has ZERO reason to move Shard.

vege · Post #29 » by **vege** » Thu May 7, 2009 11:12 pm

JES12 wrote:Agreed netsforce.

If Detroit were to miraculously agree to trade Kwame for Shard, you bet Orlando would take that.

And Joe D would be found dead the next day with a sleeping pills overdose.

vege · Post #30 » by **vege** » Thu May 7, 2009 11:14 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Alfred wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Orlando has zero reason to move Shard.

Replace "reason" with "chance".

Here's a reason: Orlando is hemmoraging money, and Rashard Lewis has one of the richest contracts in the league, and has a PER around 15.

Orlando is not hemorrhaging money. Orlando draws well and is moving into a new arena. Orlando is doing just fine and has ZERO reason to move Shard.

They have 81,420,684 reasons to move Shard

Norm2953 · Post #31 » by **Norm2953** » Thu May 7, 2009 11:56 pm

Orlando is not hemorrhaging money. Orlando draws well and is moving into a new arena. Orlando is doing just fine and has ZERO reason to move Shard.[/quote]

They have 81,420,684 reasons to move Shard

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Yes, Vege we have something that we can agree upon for its one thing to pay Dwight Howard
$20 Million/yr but paying Lewis more is nuts.

bringinhinkie · Post #32 » by **bringinhinkie** » Fri May 8, 2009 12:08 am

negative

Cammo101 · Post #33 » by **Cammo101** » Fri May 8, 2009 2:54 am

vege wrote:They have 81,420,684 reasons to move Shard

Except we are trying to win a title, not make the most money.

Norm2953 · Post #34 » by **Norm2953** » Fri May 8, 2009 3:29 am

Cammo101 wrote:
vege wrote:They have 81,420,684 reasons to move Shard

Except we are trying to win a title, not make the most money.

I'd like your chances better if Jameer was playing. Can you guys win tomorrow
without Alston?

Post #35 » by **Alfred** » Fri May 8, 2009 4:33 am

Cammo101 wrote:
Alfred wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Orlando has zero reason to move Shard.

Replace "reason" with "chance".

Here's a reason: Orlando is hemmoraging money, and Rashard Lewis has one of the richest contracts in the league, and has a PER around 15.

Orlando is not hemorrhaging money. Orlando draws well and is moving into a new arena. Orlando is doing just fine and has ZERO reason to move Shard.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports ... kitty.html

Martins says the Magic "plan" to borrow from the new debt after adding that the club has lost $15 million to $20 million over the last six years or so.

Post #36 » by **Alfred** » Fri May 8, 2009 4:35 am

Cammo101 wrote:
vege wrote:They have 81,420,684 reasons to move Shard

Except we are trying to win a title, not make the most money.

Rashard Lewis has a PER of 16.8 (near league average), isn't a very good defender and is being paid like a superstar. Of course the Magic have >0 reasons to move Rashard.

Post #37 » by **VintaGe36** » Fri May 8, 2009 4:52 am

Rashard Lewis falls into the same category as Gilbert Arenas.

JES12 · Post #38 » by **JES12** » Fri May 8, 2009 5:44 am

Who is Alfred? Forum mod?

Never seen him before.

CB-Blazer · Post #39 » by **CB-Blazer** » Fri May 8, 2009 5:47 am

No one is going to give up anything of value for Shard, let alone anything that Orlando will accept for him.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #40 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:01 am

it would be interesting maybe a S&T with marion + Kapono for Lewis? Not sure if raptor fans or orlando fans do that im iffy on it but it could be interesting deal for both.