Woj: AD to LA for 3 1sts, Ingram, Ball, Hart

[brackdan70]

Given the circumstances both teams made out well. Lakers got their guy to pair with LBJ and take a shot. The Pelican get plenty of assets for the future and can outsource their tank for years to come. Good chance at least a couple of those Lakers picks are good.

[basketballwacko2]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espns-brian-windhorst-calls-ad-151523162.html

ESPN's Brian Windhorst is one of those people. The analyst called the haul New Orleans received "potentially scandalous" and compared it to the ill-fated trade between the Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics that accelerated the Celtics rebuild rapidly while doing long-term damage to the Nets franchise.

With LBJ's age what if AD gets hurt? With the pick swaps and long drawn out picks sent this could end badly for the Lakers.

[loserX]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espns-brian-windhorst-calls-ad-151523162.html

ESPN's Brian Windhorst is one of those people. The analyst called the haul New Orleans received "potentially scandalous" and compared it to the ill-fated trade between the Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics that accelerated the Celtics rebuild rapidly while doing long-term damage to the Nets franchise.

With LBJ's age what if AD gets hurt? With the pick swaps and long drawn out picks sent this could end badly for the Lakers.

Perfectly fine post and worth discussing...just thought it belonged in the main AD-to-LA thread. Quoting you so you know what happened to your post

[NYG]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espns-brian-windhorst-calls-ad-151523162.html

ESPN's Brian Windhorst is one of those people. The analyst called the haul New Orleans received "potentially scandalous" and compared it to the ill-fated trade between the Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics that accelerated the Celtics rebuild rapidly while doing long-term damage to the Nets franchise.

With LBJ's age what if AD gets hurt? With the pick swaps and long drawn out picks sent this could end badly for the Lakers.

Or what if LeBron just gradually fades and the AD Lakers aren’t much better than the AD Pelicans were. They essentially did what the Pelicans did by trading all of their picks during AD’s tenure just up front this time. I mean if they win a championship or two before then it’s worth it, but the end of this deal is going to look awfully good for New Orleans right as Zion comes into his own.

[basketballwacko2]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espns-brian-windhorst-calls-ad-151523162.html

ESPN's Brian Windhorst is one of those people. The analyst called the haul New Orleans received "potentially scandalous" and compared it to the ill-fated trade between the Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics that accelerated the Celtics rebuild rapidly while doing long-term damage to the Nets franchise.

With LBJ's age what if AD gets hurt? With the pick swaps and long drawn out picks sent this could end badly for the Lakers.

Perfectly fine post and worth discussing...just thought it belonged in the main AD-to-LA thread. Quoting you so you know what happened to your post

No problem I thought about putting it here, but since the Nets/Celtics trade has been talked about so much though the parallel was interesting.

[basketballwacko2]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espns-brian-windhorst-calls-ad-151523162.html

ESPN's Brian Windhorst is one of those people. The analyst called the haul New Orleans received "potentially scandalous" and compared it to the ill-fated trade between the Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics that accelerated the Celtics rebuild rapidly while doing long-term damage to the Nets franchise.

With LBJ's age what if AD gets hurt? With the pick swaps and long drawn out picks sent this could end badly for the Lakers.

Or what if LeBron just gradually fades and the AD Lakers aren’t much better than the AD Pelicans were. They essentially did what the Pelicans did by trading all of their picks during AD’s tenure just up front this time. I mean if they win a championship or two before then it’s worth it, but the end of this deal is going to look awfully good for New Orleans right as Zion comes into his own.

I think the big thing that is gonna matter here is who the Lakers get in FA. I think they'll throw a max at Kemba, since Kyrie Irving had his issue playing with LBJ in Cleveland they might not want to risk it with him. I don't think Kahwi Leonard is going there, if he leaves Toronto he might end up with the Clippers. With KD and Klay both hurt I can't see either of them landing in LAL. IF they screw the pooch on some Deng or Mozgov type it could get real ugly.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Betting on HOF talent vs the paying big money to Ingram and Ball seems like an easy choice long term.

You gotta get the draft picks right. Nets long term currently looks better than the Celtics imo.

[basketballwacko2]

Betting on HOF talent vs the paying big money to Ingram and Ball seems like an easy choice long term.

You gotta get the draft picks right. Nets long term currently looks better than the Celtics imo.

Only if the Nets sign some big FA's this summer. Clearly the Celtics shouldn't have gambled on Kyrie Irving. They have had some bad luck with the injury to IT that took him from juggernaut to washed up, and the injury to Gordon Hayward after giving him that huge contract.

If Ainge was gonna make a big trade and move one of the brooklyn picks he should have traded for Paul George and not signed Hayward. Of course there is no way to know that Hayward was gonna get hurt in game 1. George has turned into a monster in OKC and Hayward may never be the same. I've always felt that Boston should have consolidated their assets rather than just using them, they've taken a lot of players who didn't do much.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Betting on HOF talent vs the paying big money to Ingram and Ball seems like an easy choice long term.

You gotta get the draft picks right. Nets long term currently looks better than the Celtics imo.

Only if the Nets sign some big FA's this summer. Clearly the Celtics shouldn't have gambled on Kyrie Irving. They have had some bad luck with the injury to IT that took him from juggernaut to washed up, and the injury to Gordon Hayward after giving him that huge contract.

If Ainge was gonna make a big trade and move one of the brooklyn picks he should have traded for Paul George and not signed Hayward. Of course there is no way to know that Hayward was gonna get hurt in game 1. George has turned into a monster in OKC and Hayward may never be the same. I've always felt that Boston should have consolidated their assets rather than just using them, they've taken a lot of players who didn't do much.

Not sure need to sign a big FA for that to have the better long term. Nets won 42 games. Have control of their key players. They can build on last season and fill out the roster in FA.

BOS more needs Irving(or somebody ) to have the better long term imo. Irving leaving could mean Horford leaves also.Without Irving, BOS long term hinges on the health of Hayward and the development of Brown and Tatum.

[basketballwacko2]

Betting on HOF talent vs the paying big money to Ingram and Ball seems like an easy choice long term.

You gotta get the draft picks right. Nets long term currently looks better than the Celtics imo.

Only if the Nets sign some big FA's this summer. Clearly the Celtics shouldn't have gambled on Kyrie Irving. They have had some bad luck with the injury to IT that took him from juggernaut to washed up, and the injury to Gordon Hayward after giving him that huge contract.

If Ainge was gonna make a big trade and move one of the brooklyn picks he should have traded for Paul George and not signed Hayward. Of course there is no way to know that Hayward was gonna get hurt in game 1. George has turned into a monster in OKC and Hayward may never be the same. I've always felt that Boston should have consolidated their assets rather than just using them, they've taken a lot of players who didn't do much.

Not sure need to sign a big FA for that to have the better long term. Nets won 42 games. Have control of their key players. They can build on last season and fill out the roster in FA.

BOS more needs Irving(or somebody ) to have the better long term imo. Irving leaving could mean Horford leaves also.Without Irving, BOS long term hinges on the health of Hayward and the development of Brown and Tatum.

I don't see Horford giving up $30 million for next yr at 34 years old.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Only if the Nets sign some big FA's this summer. Clearly the Celtics shouldn't have gambled on Kyrie Irving. They have had some bad luck with the injury to IT that took him from juggernaut to washed up, and the injury to Gordon Hayward after giving him that huge contract.

If Ainge was gonna make a big trade and move one of the brooklyn picks he should have traded for Paul George and not signed Hayward. Of course there is no way to know that Hayward was gonna get hurt in game 1. George has turned into a monster in OKC and Hayward may never be the same. I've always felt that Boston should have consolidated their assets rather than just using them, they've taken a lot of players who didn't do much.

Not sure need to sign a big FA for that to have the better long term. Nets won 42 games. Have control of their key players. They can build on last season and fill out the roster in FA.

BOS more needs Irving(or somebody ) to have the better long term imo. Irving leaving could mean Horford leaves also.Without Irving, BOS long term hinges on the health of Hayward and the development of Brown and Tatum.

I don't see Horford giving up $30 million for next yr at 34 years old.

More reasons to do a 3/60 deal.He had a good season and postseason. With so many teams having cap space this summer might could land a 20-25 million deal somewhere.

Edit: Also prevents him being used as a trade asset.

[basketballwacko2]

Not sure need to sign a big FA for that to have the better long term. Nets won 42 games. Have control of their key players. They can build on last season and fill out the roster in FA.

BOS more needs Irving(or somebody ) to have the better long term imo. Irving leaving could mean Horford leaves also.Without Irving, BOS long term hinges on the health of Hayward and the development of Brown and Tatum.

I don't see Horford giving up $30 million for next yr at 34 years old.

More reasons to do a 3/60 deal.He had a good season and postseason. With so many teams having cap space this summer might could land a 20-25 million deal somewhere.

Edit: Also prevents him being used as a trade asset.

Who would give a 34 year old Al Horford that kind of money?

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I don't see Horford giving up $30 million for next yr at 34 years old.

More reasons to do a 3/60 deal.He had a good season and postseason. With so many teams having cap space this summer might could land a 20-25 million deal somewhere.

Edit: Also prevents him being used as a trade asset.

Who would give a 34 year old Al Horford that kind of money?

We focused on age or impact? His game should age well.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841431-celtics-rumors-al-horford-discussing-new-3-year-contract-if-he-declines-option

[the_process]

I don't see Horford giving up $30 million for next yr at 34 years old.

More reasons to do a 3/60 deal.He had a good season and postseason. With so many teams having cap space this summer might could land a 20-25 million deal somewhere.

Edit: Also prevents him being used as a trade asset.

Who would give a 34 year old Al Horford that kind of money?

With the amount of teams that have cap space, someone will settle on Horford for 3-60.

[bpcox05]

If the deal does go down on July 30th (big "if"), I think the Lakers should go the role player route. That $32.5 mil technically is $36.1 mil if they sign 5 players. The Lakers would have 4 undrafted rookie cap holds in place to get to a minimum of 13 players. Each of them costs $897,158 ($3.6 mil total).

With $36.1 mil (and a room exception) they may just be able to end up with a haul of:

Beverley
Rose
Green
Sefolosha
Aminu

PG - Beverley / Rose
SG - Green / Sefolosha
SF - LeBron / Bonga
PF - Aminu / Kuzma
C - Davis / Wagner


That's two of the best players in the league and three terrific 3&D players around them (Beverley, Green, & Aminu). Then you would still have some scoring punch off the bench with Rose & Kuzma and another good 3&D wing.

[basketballwacko2]

More reasons to do a 3/60 deal.He had a good season and postseason. With so many teams having cap space this summer might could land a 20-25 million deal somewhere.

Edit: Also prevents him being used as a trade asset.

Who would give a 34 year old Al Horford that kind of money?

We focused on age or impact? His game should age well.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841431-celtics-rumors-al-horford-discussing-new-3-year-contract-if-he-declines-option

At some point age catches up with everyone. Maybe the Celtics resign him to a $20 million declining deal for 3 years with a partial guarantee in year 3. I'd think Horford would have to know that was there for him to give up that big paycheck.

[Dr Positivity]

If the Lakers only way to get Kemba/Butler was to give the Pelicans Kuzma to make them complete the trade on July 30th, would they do it?

[Dupp]

Is there any reason for the pelicans to not complete the trade when the lakers want or just to be dicks? What’s their benefit doing it at another time?

[Slava]

If the Lakers only way to get Kemba/Butler was to give the Pelicans Kuzma to make them complete the trade on July 30th, would they do it?

I think the extra pick swap was included just to delay the deal until July 30 but we obviously don't know until it happens.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Is there any reason for the pelicans to not complete the trade when the lakers want or just to be dicks? What’s their benefit doing it at another time?

The 4th pick if they keep it doesn’t play in SL, the other young players don’t come to the team until later in the off-season, AD could get hurt, and if you facilitate the Lakers signing a 3rd max you make the future picks you’re getting worse.