KD = Which 2025 1st?

[ReggiesKnicks]

It's not really a Suns issue more so than a Rockets issue. More to the point, you don't think you guys could use Green? He seems like he'd fit right there, with Ky out till Xmas at the earliest. He can score at least and that will be needed from your guards.

Also, you place Jalen Green's value at Klay and Gafford with no additional picks?

I would prefer Klay+Gafford to Jalen Green.

thats why you are not a GM. WIth 2nd apron and everything, getting someone who is paid at his level is important, you just cant gamble become someone has a lot of potential. Green is also in his 4th year and still cannot shoot nor defend..thats a lot of red flags.

Green is an excellent defender and his shooting is average.

He has other issues though.

Jalen Green has that defensive ability. Some would say EXCELLENT even.

I think he's worth more than Gafford and Klay but maybe I'm wrong.....

Jalen Green is not an excellent defender.

He can be a piece in a great defense but he isn't remotely close to the reason why the defense is great.

[Slim Charless]

What's the second best offer for KD you see outside of Houston? I don't see the Rockets having any interest

You do not think HOU will want KD at all? After watching this past series....?

I think they would want someone younger or the best vet that 9th Overall could land. What is your best realistic KD idea not involving the Rockets?

I disagree.

The other teams would depend on how the playoffs play out of course. I can see all of Boston/OKC/NYC getting into the deal for him. OKC makes the best partner though. I don't think it's crazy that we can get Chet from them. Again, depends on the playoffs and how this whole thing ends.

[NYG]

You do not think HOU will want KD at all? After watching this past series....?

I think they would want someone younger or the best vet that 9th Overall could land. What is your best realistic KD idea not involving the Rockets?

I disagree.

The other teams would depend on how the playoffs play out of course. I can see all of Boston/OKC/NYC getting into the deal for him. OKC makes the best partner though. I don't think it's crazy that we can get Chet from them. Again, depends on the playoffs and how this whole thing ends.

Let's say it's between NY and Boston with Brown, Tatum, KAT and Brunson clearly off the table.. what's the best offer? What is the minimum Houston would need to offer to beat that?

[babyjax13]

To Houston
Durant

To Orlando
FVV

To Phx
KCP
Isaac
Landale
Harris
#16
#9

- Orlando gets a much needed PG and dumps some long term salary
- Durant gets a much needed scorer, although now they need to find a PG solution.
- Phx gets some competent rotation guys and a couple picks.

I love this trade.

Houston still owes value plus the Rockets get hard capped.

Personally, I don't think they owe value here.

[Slim Charless]

I think they would want someone younger or the best vet that 9th Overall could land. What is your best realistic KD idea not involving the Rockets?

I disagree.

The other teams would depend on how the playoffs play out of course. I can see all of Boston/OKC/NYC getting into the deal for him. OKC makes the best partner though. I don't think it's crazy that we can get Chet from them. Again, depends on the playoffs and how this whole thing ends.

Let's say it's between NY and Boston with Brown, Tatum, KAT and Brunson clearly off the table.. what's the best offer? What is the minimum Houston would need to offer to beat that?

Jabari, Reed, Jalen Green, #9 and our 2027 pick returned.

I think Brown would be on the table from Boston BTW. At least in a 3 way.

NYC would give up OG and others.

[NYG]

I disagree.

The other teams would depend on how the playoffs play out of course. I can see all of Boston/OKC/NYC getting into the deal for him. OKC makes the best partner though. I don't think it's crazy that we can get Chet from them. Again, depends on the playoffs and how this whole thing ends.

Let's say it's between NY and Boston with Brown, Tatum, KAT and Brunson clearly off the table.. what's the best offer? What is the minimum Houston would need to offer to beat that?

Jabari, Reed, Jalen Green, #9 and our 2027 pick returned.

I think Brown would be on the table from Boston BTW. At least in a 3 way.

NYC would give up OG and others.

I'd just give OG to Houston in that case. I'd rather have that package than KD

[LarsV8]

I'd be willing to add a 2nd if needed to make my original proposal of FVV, landale and #9 work.

[NYG]

Let's say it's between NY and Boston with Brown, Tatum, KAT and Brunson clearly off the table.. what's the best offer? What is the minimum Houston would need to offer to beat that?

Jabari, Reed, Jalen Green, #9 and our 2027 pick returned.

I think Brown would be on the table from Boston BTW. At least in a 3 way.

NYC would give up OG and others.

I'd just give OG to Houston in that case. I'd rather have that package than KD

Also why wouldn't Houston just take Jaylen over KD if that's the asking price?

[psman2]

I disagree.

The other teams would depend on how the playoffs play out of course. I can see all of Boston/OKC/NYC getting into the deal for him. OKC makes the best partner though. I don't think it's crazy that we can get Chet from them. Again, depends on the playoffs and how this whole thing ends.

Let's say it's between NY and Boston with Brown, Tatum, KAT and Brunson clearly off the table.. what's the best offer? What is the minimum Houston would need to offer to beat that?

Jabari, Reed, Jalen Green, #9 and our 2027 pick returned.

I think Brown would be on the table from Boston BTW. At least in a 3 way.

NYC would give up OG and others.

I think you have Houston clearly overpaying here. I really don't think even after losing to GS they have the sense of urgency you seem to think for them to be willing to put this on the table.

I don't think Boston would put Brown on the table. I don't think Brown's trade value is super high necessarily, just doubt they are going to break up that Duo for Durant at his age.

OG on his contract is not a great trade asset imo. I would have to see what the other part here is to really access the value. But very likely comes out to a lot less value than your Houston ask.

[NYG]

Let's say it's between NY and Boston with Brown, Tatum, KAT and Brunson clearly off the table.. what's the best offer? What is the minimum Houston would need to offer to beat that?

Jabari, Reed, Jalen Green, #9 and our 2027 pick returned.

I think Brown would be on the table from Boston BTW. At least in a 3 way.

NYC would give up OG and others.

I think you have Houston clearly overpaying here. I really don't think even after losing to GS they have the sense of urgency you seem to think for them to be willing to put this on the table.

I don't think Boston would put Brown on the table. I don't think Brown's trade value is super high necessarily, just doubt they are going to break up that Duo for Durant at his age.

OG on his contract is not a great trade asset imo. I would have to see what the other part here is to really access the value. But very likely comes out to a lot less value than your Houston ask.

Yeah Houston offers 9 and if that's not enough, another team can have him.

[Slim Charless]

Jabari, Reed, Jalen Green, #9 and our 2027 pick returned.

I think Brown would be on the table from Boston BTW. At least in a 3 way.

NYC would give up OG and others.

I think you have Houston clearly overpaying here. I really don't think even after losing to GS they have the sense of urgency you seem to think for them to be willing to put this on the table.

I don't think Boston would put Brown on the table. I don't think Brown's trade value is super high necessarily, just doubt they are going to break up that Duo for Durant at his age.

OG on his contract is not a great trade asset imo. I would have to see what the other part here is to really access the value. But very likely comes out to a lot less value than your Houston ask.

Yeah Houston offers 9 and if that's not enough, another team can have him.

I do not agree with your value assessments. If Giannis is off the table, then KD becomes the best available piece most likely.

[NYG]

I think you have Houston clearly overpaying here. I really don't think even after losing to GS they have the sense of urgency you seem to think for them to be willing to put this on the table.

I don't think Boston would put Brown on the table. I don't think Brown's trade value is super high necessarily, just doubt they are going to break up that Duo for Durant at his age.

OG on his contract is not a great trade asset imo. I would have to see what the other part here is to really access the value. But very likely comes out to a lot less value than your Houston ask.

Yeah Houston offers 9 and if that's not enough, another team can have him.

I do not agree with your value assessments. If Giannis is off the table, then KD becomes the best available piece most likely.

I just don't see OKC or Houston making KD their all in move and I'm not sure what offer you're looking at from the other 27 teams that equals Jabari, Reed, Green and 9

[jredsaz]

I love this trade.

Houston still owes value plus the Rockets get hard capped.

Personally, I don't think they owe value here.

So the difference between KD and FVV is the #9 pick? I’m not buying that. Jock is included who is a fine player but at $8M is negative value. More value from Houston is needed.

And then, the Rockets get hard capped while almost already capped out.

[babyjax13]

Houston still owes value plus the Rockets get hard capped.

Personally, I don't think they owe value here.

So the difference between KD and FVV is the #9 pick? I’m not buying that. Jock is included who is a fine player but at $8M is negative value. More value from Houston is needed.

And then, the Rockets get hard capped while almost already capped out.

Yah, I think so. He is expiring, he doesn't want to be there, and he is about to be 37. We'll see, I could be completely off-base.

[NYG]

Personally, I don't think they owe value here.

So the difference between KD and FVV is the #9 pick? I’m not buying that. Jock is included who is a fine player but at $8M is negative value. More value from Houston is needed.

And then, the Rockets get hard capped while almost already capped out.

Yah, I think so. He is expiring, he doesn't want to be there, and he is about to be 37. We'll see, I could be completely off-base.

I just don't see Houston specifically giving up more than 9... the Suns probably need to look elsewhere if they want more.

[jredsaz]

Yeah Houston offers 9 and if that's not enough, another team can have him.

I do not agree with your value assessments. If Giannis is off the table, then KD becomes the best available piece most likely.

I just don't see OKC or Houston making KD their all in move and I'm not sure what offer you're looking at from the other 27 teams that equals Jabari, Reed, Green and 9

To be fair Reed and Green are neutral value at best. #9 and Jabari for KD might be too much but it’s close. I’m convinced that Houston wants to move Green this summer for a more consistent scorer. Sheppard was a high pick in a bad draft with mixed physical measurables. He didn’t see the court so hard to define that value.

As far as other teams with similar inventory to offer, Spurs and Heat have young pieces and multiple picks.

[NYG]

I do not agree with your value assessments. If Giannis is off the table, then KD becomes the best available piece most likely.

I just don't see OKC or Houston making KD their all in move and I'm not sure what offer you're looking at from the other 27 teams that equals Jabari, Reed, Green and 9

To be fair Reed and Green are neutral value at best. #9 and Jabari for KD might be too much but it’s close. I’m convinced that Houston wants to move Green this summer for a more consistent scorer. Sheppard was a high pick in a bad draft with mixed physical measurables. He didn’t see the court so hard to define that value.

As far as other teams with similar inventory to offer, Spurs and Heat have young pieces and multiple picks.

I could definitely see the Spurs trade their 2 lotto picks and Sochan to speed up the process a bit. The Heat are also interesting if they offer one of the young guys and a future 1st or 2.

[jredsaz]

So the difference between KD and FVV is the #9 pick? I’m not buying that. Jock is included who is a fine player but at $8M is negative value. More value from Houston is needed.

And then, the Rockets get hard capped while almost already capped out.

Yah, I think so. He is expiring, he doesn't want to be there, and he is about to be 37. We'll see, I could be completely off-base.

I just don't see Houston specifically giving up more than 9... the Suns probably need to look elsewhere if they want more.

If I’m the Suns I’m not prioritizing the #9 pick. I’d want young players and future draft capital.

[NYG]

I do not agree with your value assessments. If Giannis is off the table, then KD becomes the best available piece most likely.

I just don't see OKC or Houston making KD their all in move and I'm not sure what offer you're looking at from the other 27 teams that equals Jabari, Reed, Green and 9

To be fair Reed and Green are neutral value at best. #9 and Jabari for KD might be too much but it’s close. I’m convinced that Houston wants to move Green this summer for a more consistent scorer. Sheppard was a high pick in a bad draft with mixed physical measurables. He didn’t see the court so hard to define that value.

As far as other teams with similar inventory to offer, Spurs and Heat have young pieces and multiple picks.

Also...

So maybe the Rockets send out Reed and Green for more assets then flip the salary filler with Jabari and 9 gets it closer?

Reed and Green to Team X
Team X Filler, Jabari and 9 to Phoenix
KD and Team X Assets to Houston

At the very least replace Reed with Jock if he isn't providing the Suns value in the deal.

[jredsaz]

Personally, I don't think they owe value here.

So the difference between KD and FVV is the #9 pick? I’m not buying that. Jock is included who is a fine player but at $8M is negative value. More value from Houston is needed.

And then, the Rockets get hard capped while almost already capped out.

Yah, I think so. He is expiring, he doesn't want to be there, and he is about to be 37. We'll see, I could be completely off-base.

There is a huge gap in production and a small gap in pay between FVV and Durant. #9 is a good piece but we probably evaluate that differently.

Maybe a pick swap of #9 for #29 and Houston there’s in a future first?