Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[zimpy27]

I think in-shape Luka is going to see an improved defense. That will probably be the notable difference

[daoneandonly]

Never defended Nico, never will. He has made far more mistakes than any other current GM outside of maybe Dumars. And he got damn lucky Kuzma didnt want to come to Dallas, or the Mavs would have that bum at the expense of picks

But I'm not absolving Luka now or ever. Imagine constantly dealing with an insubordinate employee; it would be taxing on anyone, no matter how good the staff member is. A multi-millionaire athlete's job is to be in shape; he wasn't, he didn't care to, and I'm sure the team asked him about it time after time. Did it take away from him being great? No. WOuld it have prevented some of the injuries he has ben plagued with? No doubt

Luka was still a high performing member of Dallas . He’s not perfect but he contributed more than his fair share with very obvious flaws .

I don’t expect any workplace to have purely folks that are 100% performance or better .

Likewise , I don’t see you constantly ranting on the other non performing Dallas players.

Maybe you should check logs before throwing stones and complaining about my posts. I bash Klay Thompson regularly for his decline yet refusal to come off the bench and AD well for being the softest player the NBA has ever seen, including availability and unwillingness to play the 5.

There's a difference between being a 100% performing employee and one being immature and outright insubordinate.

[SkyHook]

I'm trying work this out, but can't land on the value...

Lauri to NOP
Zion to CHA
Fillers and CHA pick(s) to UTA

???

It's difficult to craft a deal here; challenges with salary matching, disparities in perceived value, and Utah's stated insistence on not taking on future money for players who aren't long term prospects (everything that they've done this summer aligns with that decision). What's your starting point on the value?

[Godaddycurse]

I think in-shape Luka is going to see an improved defense. That will probably be the notable difference

I dont think being in shape will stop his whining and failing to get back in transition but we will see

[Texas Chuck]

I think in-shape Luka is going to see an improved defense. That will probably be the notable difference

I dont think being in shape will stop his whining and failing to get back in transition but we will see

The Lakers don't really want Luka fully invested in defense in the RS anyway. And he's already demonstrated in the playoffs he comes to compete. Obviously he's always going to be a liability on the perimeter, but he's established you can have a high level defense with him on the court.

What the league needs to fear is a 04-05 Steve Nash level motivation. If he is determined to show Dallas what a huge mistake we all know they made, the Lakers are a serious threat to OKC (and Denver) in the West.

[Devilanche]

Never defended Nico, never will. He has made far more mistakes than any other current GM outside of maybe Dumars. And he got damn lucky Kuzma didnt want to come to Dallas, or the Mavs would have that bum at the expense of picks

But I'm not absolving Luka now or ever. Imagine constantly dealing with an insubordinate employee; it would be taxing on anyone, no matter how good the staff member is. A multi-millionaire athlete's job is to be in shape; he wasn't, he didn't care to, and I'm sure the team asked him about it time after time. Did it take away from him being great? No. WOuld it have prevented some of the injuries he has ben plagued with? No doubt

Luka was still a high performing member of Dallas . He’s not perfect but he contributed more than his fair share with very obvious flaws .

I don’t expect any workplace to have purely folks that are 100% performance or better .

Likewise , I don’t see you constantly ranting on the other non performing Dallas players.

Maybe you should check logs before throwing stones and complaining about my posts. I bash Klay Thompson regularly for his decline yet refusal to come off the bench and AD well for being the softest player the NBA has ever seen, including availability and unwillingness to play the 5.

There's a difference between being a 100% performing employee and one being immature and outright insubordinate.

In the thread I opened I have seen more Luka bashing .

I seen some trade Klays post but not outright bashing. Maybe I’m opening the wrong threads.

In any case, he might be immature but he’s not insubordinate.

That’s like saying when shaq says he will recover on company’s time . It’s immature, unprofessional and selfish but not insubordinate.

[daoneandonly]

Luka was still a high performing member of Dallas . He’s not perfect but he contributed more than his fair share with very obvious flaws .

I don’t expect any workplace to have purely folks that are 100% performance or better .

Likewise , I don’t see you constantly ranting on the other non performing Dallas players.

Maybe you should check logs before throwing stones and complaining about my posts. I bash Klay Thompson regularly for his decline yet refusal to come off the bench and AD well for being the softest player the NBA has ever seen, including availability and unwillingness to play the 5.

There's a difference between being a 100% performing employee and one being immature and outright insubordinate.

In the thread I opened I have seen more Luka bashing .

I seen some trade Klays post but not outright bashing. Maybe I’m opening the wrong threads.

In any case, he might be immature but he’s not insubordinate.

That’s like saying when shaq says he will recover on company’s time . It’s immature, unprofessional and selfish but not insubordinate.

We can agree to disagree and leave it at that. I don't want to derail this much-needed thread on this forum. We don't know what conversations were had between the 2 parties, but I believe if the FO raised concerns about his conditioning efforts and asked him to improve, and he clearly did not, to me, that is insubordination since it's a huge part of being a pro athlete.

[SkyHook]

I'm trying work this out, but can't land on the value...

Lauri to NOP
Zion to CHA
Fillers and CHA pick(s) to UTA

???

It's difficult to craft a deal here; challenges with salary matching, disparities in perceived value, and Utah's stated insistence on not taking on future money for players who aren't long term prospects (everything that they've done this summer aligns with that decision). What's your starting point on the value?

This sent me down a strange rabbit hole of possible Markannen trades; something I typically avoid, but it's the dog days of the offseason. All of them were unrealistic, but the most intriguing one was with ATL, CHI, and DAL.

Hawks send Porzingis to the Bulls and Bufkin to the Jazz
Bulls send Carter to the Mavs and Huerter or Collins to the Jazz
Mavs send Powell and Prosper to the Jazz
Jazz send Markannen to the Hawks
Picks from Hawks and Bulls to balance

Jazz take in everyone except for Powell via an exception, creating a $42.4MM TPE.

[Godaddycurse]

I'm trying work this out, but can't land on the value...

Lauri to NOP
Zion to CHA
Fillers and CHA pick(s) to UTA

???

It's difficult to craft a deal here; challenges with salary matching, disparities in perceived value, and Utah's stated insistence on not taking on future money for players who aren't long term prospects (everything that they've done this summer aligns with that decision). What's your starting point on the value?

This sent me down a strange rabbit hole of possible Markannen trades; something I typically avoid, but it's the dog days of the offseason. All of them were unrealistic, but the most intriguing one was with ATL, CHI, and DAL.

Hawks send Porzingis to the Bulls and Bufkin to the Jazz
Bulls send Carter to the Mavs and Huerter or Collins to the Jazz
Mavs send Powell and Prosper to the Jazz
Jazz send Markannen to the Hawks
Picks from Hawks and Bulls to balance

Jazz take in everyone except for Powell via an exception, creating a $42.4MM TPE.

Dont see hawks thinning out their C rotation to block Risacher from starting at SF. KP also isn't fetching a pick from chicago with his lack of availability

[SkyHook]

It's difficult to craft a deal here; challenges with salary matching, disparities in perceived value, and Utah's stated insistence on not taking on future money for players who aren't long term prospects (everything that they've done this summer aligns with that decision). What's your starting point on the value?

This sent me down a strange rabbit hole of possible Markannen trades; something I typically avoid, but it's the dog days of the offseason. All of them were unrealistic, but the most intriguing one was with ATL, CHI, and DAL.

Hawks send Porzingis to the Bulls and Bufkin to the Jazz
Bulls send Carter to the Mavs and Huerter or Collins to the Jazz
Mavs send Powell and Prosper to the Jazz
Jazz send Markannen to the Hawks
Picks from Hawks and Bulls to balance

Jazz take in everyone except for Powell via an exception, creating a $42.4MM TPE.

Dont see hawks thinning out their C rotation to block Risacher from starting at SF

I did lead with "all of them are unrealistic". The moves to create that big of a TPE was the most interesting thong thing to me.

[daoneandonly]

This sent me down a strange rabbit hole of possible Markannen trades; something I typically avoid, but it's the dog days of the offseason. All of them were unrealistic, but the most intriguing one was with ATL, CHI, and DAL.

Hawks send Porzingis to the Bulls and Bufkin to the Jazz
Bulls send Carter to the Mavs and Huerter or Collins to the Jazz
Mavs send Powell and Prosper to the Jazz
Jazz send Markannen to the Hawks
Picks from Hawks and Bulls to balance

Jazz take in everyone except for Powell via an exception, creating a $42.4MM TPE.

Dont see hawks thinning out their C rotation to block Risacher from starting at SF

I did lead with "all of them are unrealistic". The moves to create that big of a TPE was the most interesting thong thing to me.

Kudos to you for trying something big involving so many teams.

[Devilanche]

Maybe you should check logs before throwing stones and complaining about my posts. I bash Klay Thompson regularly for his decline yet refusal to come off the bench and AD well for being the softest player the NBA has ever seen, including availability and unwillingness to play the 5.

There's a difference between being a 100% performing employee and one being immature and outright insubordinate.

In the thread I opened I have seen more Luka bashing .

I seen some trade Klays post but not outright bashing. Maybe I’m opening the wrong threads.

In any case, he might be immature but he’s not insubordinate.

That’s like saying when shaq says he will recover on company’s time . It’s immature, unprofessional and selfish but not insubordinate.

We can agree to disagree and leave it at that. I don't want to derail this much-needed thread on this forum. We don't know what conversations were had between the 2 parties, but I believe if the FO raised concerns about his conditioning efforts and asked him to improve, and he clearly did not, to me, that is insubordination since it's a huge part of being a pro athlete.

It’s the offseason, what else is there to talk about in this chat?

Of course you are free to call it what you think it is but given the trade was a while back and you keep calling it that, I took it up as a chance to give up the other side of the view since like you mention the conversations were private between the 2 and there wasn’t any public sign the relationship between the 2 were deteriorating fast which is what you would expect if there’s an insubordination between employer and employee.

[NYG]

I'm trying work this out, but can't land on the value...

Lauri to NOP
Zion to CHA
Fillers and CHA pick(s) to UTA

???

It's difficult to craft a deal here; challenges with salary matching, disparities in perceived value, and Utah's stated insistence on not taking on future money for players who aren't long term prospects (everything that they've done this summer aligns with that decision). What's your starting point on the value?

I just posted this (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2473034)... made it Detroit instead of Charlotte...

Detroit Pistons get:
Zion Williamson

New Orleans Pelicans get:
Lauri Markkanen

Utah Jazz get:
Tobias Harris
Ronald Holland II

-Pistons take a chance on Zion and potentially land a legitimate co-star for Cade without breaking the bank.

-Pelicans get taller up front and Lauri can help spread the floor a bit while deciding to pivot off of the Zion era.

-Jazz save money both up front and long-term while adding a solid prospect with high-end potential.

[NYG]

Also, if the Knicks traded Jalen Brunson and the Giants traded Dexter Lawrence in a seven-month period, I'd be so upset. Sorry, Dallas fans. Luka and Micah are crazy to let go because the owners are making crazy choices.

[Apz]

This sent me down a strange rabbit hole of possible Markannen trades; something I typically avoid, but it's the dog days of the offseason. All of them were unrealistic, but the most intriguing one was with ATL, CHI, and DAL.

Hawks send Porzingis to the Bulls and Bufkin to the Jazz
Bulls send Carter to the Mavs and Huerter or Collins to the Jazz
Mavs send Powell and Prosper to the Jazz
Jazz send Markannen to the Hawks
Picks from Hawks and Bulls to balance

Jazz take in everyone except for Powell via an exception, creating a $42.4MM TPE.

Dont see hawks thinning out their C rotation to block Risacher from starting at SF

I did lead with "all of them are unrealistic". The moves to create that big of a TPE was the most interesting thong thing to me.

Had no idea lauri making like 44m. Thats pretty much a disaster contract if true

[daoneandonly]

In the thread I opened I have seen more Luka bashing .

I seen some trade Klays post but not outright bashing. Maybe I’m opening the wrong threads.

In any case, he might be immature but he’s not insubordinate.

That’s like saying when shaq says he will recover on company’s time . It’s immature, unprofessional and selfish but not insubordinate.

We can agree to disagree and leave it at that. I don't want to derail this much-needed thread on this forum. We don't know what conversations were had between the 2 parties, but I believe if the FO raised concerns about his conditioning efforts and asked him to improve, and he clearly did not, to me, that is insubordination since it's a huge part of being a pro athlete.

It’s the offseason, what else is there to talk about in this chat?

Of course you are free to call it what you think it is but given the trade was a while back and you keep calling it that, I took it up as a chance to give up the other side of the view since like you mention the conversations were private between the 2 and there wasn’t any public sign the relationship between the 2 were deteriorating fast which is what you would expect if there’s an insubordination between employer and employee.

Haha touche!

Oh indeed, the trade was shocking and still stings. The funny thing is like I mentioned, I was inching towards trading him after the Christmas injury and just his overall lack of growth with respect to the whining/complaining when calls dont go his way. But only if it was for a historic haul, not the complete trash they got.

But you're an OKC fan right? I ask because the guy I want is Aaron Wiggins. OKC is loaded at guard and now with Topic in tow, figure someone has to move on. I think Aaron is ready to break out with the right team, not all star or anything, but high level role player. Maybe its the Maryland boy in me. But do you think there's a viable trade where Dallas could get him? Would OKC want Naji? Or a 3 team trade where Team X gets Gaff, Dallas gets WIggins, and OKC gets player from Team X?

[Devilanche]

But you're an OKC fan right? I ask because the guy I want is Aaron Wiggins. OKC is loaded at guard and now with Topic in tow, figure someone has to move on. I think Aaron is ready to break out with the right team, not all star or anything, but high level role player. Maybe its the Maryland boy in me. But do you think there's a viable trade where Dallas could get him? Would OKC want Naji? Or a 3 team trade where Team X gets Gaff, Dallas gets WIggins, and OKC gets player from Team X?

I will move Isaiah Joe / Kenrich / Jaylin before I move wiggins . His salary is low and potentially he’s an offensive spark plug for us.

He’s a high end 7th-9th man for now and can potentially be a very decent 6th man.

[Scoot McGroot]

Today's the deadline to waive someone and utilize the stretch waive provision. Maybe a Mav involved (OMP or Powell)? Anyone else see any possibilities?

[daoneandonly]

But you're an OKC fan right? I ask because the guy I want is Aaron Wiggins. OKC is loaded at guard and now with Topic in tow, figure someone has to move on. I think Aaron is ready to break out with the right team, not all star or anything, but high level role player. Maybe its the Maryland boy in me. But do you think there's a viable trade where Dallas could get him? Would OKC want Naji? Or a 3 team trade where Team X gets Gaff, Dallas gets WIggins, and OKC gets player from Team X?

I will move Isaiah Joe / Kenrich / Jaylin before I move wiggins . His salary is low and potentially he’s an offensive spark plug for us.

He’s a high end 7th-9th man for now and can potentially be a very decent 6th man.

That makes sense. I've been racking my brain trying to come up with a sensible three-teamer like Wiggins to Dallas, Gaff to SA, Sochan to OKC, or Cha's Salun instead of Sochan, but I don't see OKC touching either, even with a glut at guard and more of a need at forward.

[daoneandonly]

Today's the deadline to waive someone and utilize the stretch waive provision. Maybe a Mav involved (OMP or Powell)? Anyone else see any possibilities?

Just very poor management and execution on the Mavs' part. There was no need to extend Hardy in the first place, and Exum isnt good enough to warrant having to stretch/waive or trade someone with incentive.