Woj: Paul George informs Pacers he plans to leave them in 2018 free agency, prefers Lakers.

[daoneandonly]

Said it in the other thread somewhere I think, and stand by it, would add in 21 too:

PG to the Cavs
Love to OKC
Dipo/Sabonis to Indy

Gets a young player, prospect, and could add 21. Also Presti gives GSW a little stiffer competition.

I like it for all if the 21 is also included. Dipo has ties to Indy having played college ball there and Sabonis has potential to build around with Turner. Cleveland gets their guy and OKC gets a piece that fits like a glove with Westbrook, did they go to college together by the way?

[HartfordWhalers]

Said it in the other thread somewhere I think, and stand by it, would add in 21 too:

PG to the Cavs
Love to OKC
Dipo/Sabonis to Indy

Gets a young player, prospect, and could add 21. Also Presti gives GSW a little stiffer competition.

Is that return better than Randle + Clarkson + #28 + lottery protected LA 1st in 2020?

Dipo > Clarkson
Sabonis is > or =? Randle
21 > 28
lottery protected LA 1st in 2020 > nothing

I have that pretty close either way someone picks it. Even with his contract I'm higher on Oladipo than Clarkson (and his contract). But I don;t really have Sabonis ahead of Randle, which probably makes me an outlier there, after all Sabonis has a lot more team control. I'm tempted to make a whole topic on comparing those two packages and see what others think, my instinct was yes the lakers package is better but writing it out I'm now leaning possibly the other way. In short, I'm completely undecided between the two.

[MUpacersSIC]

Said it in the other thread somewhere I think, and stand by it, would add in 21 too:

PG to the Cavs
Love to OKC
Dipo/Sabonis to Indy

Gets a young player, prospect, and could add 21. Also Presti gives GSW a little stiffer competition.

Is that return better than Randle + Clarkson + #28 + lottery protected LA 1st in 2020?

Dipo > Clarkson
Sabonis is > or =? Randle
21 > 28
lottery protected LA 1st in 2020 > nothing

I have that pretty close either way someone picks it. Even with his contract I'm higher on Oladipo than Clarkson (and his contract). But I don;t really have Sabonis ahead of Randle, which probably makes me an outlier there, after all Sabonis has a lot more team control. I'm tempted to make a whole topic on comparing those two packages and see what others think, my instinct was yes the lakers package is better but writing it out I'm now leaning possibly the other way. In short, I'm completely undecided between the two.

Randle >>> Sabonis, imo.


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[sixerswillrule]

Saric + Okafor + TLC + 2018 1st + 2020 1st

[Slava]

Said it in the other thread somewhere I think, and stand by it, would add in 21 too:

PG to the Cavs
Love to OKC
Dipo/Sabonis to Indy

Gets a young player, prospect, and could add 21. Also Presti gives GSW a little stiffer competition.

Is that return better than Randle + Clarkson + #28 + lottery protected LA 1st in 2020?

Dipo > Clarkson
Sabonis is > or =? Randle
21 > 28
lottery protected LA 1st in 2020 > nothing

I have that pretty close either way someone picks it. Even with his contract I'm higher on Oladipo than Clarkson (and his contract). But I don;t really have Sabonis ahead of Randle, which probably makes me an outlier there, after all Sabonis has a lot more team control. I'm tempted to make a whole topic on comparing those two packages and see what others think, my instinct was yes the lakers package is better but writing it out I'm now leaning possibly the other way. In short, I'm completely undecided between the two.

I have the gap between Randle and Sabonis as the same between Dipo and Clarkson. The 2020 1st albeit lotto protected covers the difference between 21-28 and probably adds a bit more value.

[HartfordWhalers]

Randle >>> Sabonis, imo.

Keeping in mind Randle's bad at defense and two years closer to getting off rookie scale? I'm open to Randle being more valuable, but I'm pretty surprised by three >'s.

[stitches]

So what is the word about PG13, guys? Is it certain he goes to LA next summer? And if your team knew that, what's the absolute maximum you would give up for 1 year rental of PG13?

[R-DAWG]

Said it in the other thread somewhere I think, and stand by it, would add in 21 too:

PG to the Cavs
Love to OKC
Dipo/Sabonis to Indy

Gets a young player, prospect, and could add 21. Also Presti gives GSW a little stiffer competition.

Is that return better than Randle + Clarkson + #28 + lottery protected LA 1st in 2020?

Dipo > Clarkson
Sabonis is > or =? Randle
21 > 28
lottery protected LA 1st in 2020 > nothing

I have that pretty close either way someone picks it. Even with his contract I'm higher on Oladipo than Clarkson (and his contract). But I don;t really have Sabonis ahead of Randle, which probably makes me an outlier there, after all Sabonis has a lot more team control. I'm tempted to make a whole topic on comparing those two packages and see what others think, my instinct was yes the lakers package is better but writing it out I'm now leaning possibly the other way. In short, I'm completely undecided between the two.

In this scenario, why wouldn't OKC roll the dice and keep Paul George? Westbrook/George is as good a 1-2 punch as there is in the league and with Dipo off the books they can resign Roberson and Gibson and have a very similar team that they had in 15-16 with George instead of Durant.

[The Penguin]

I've posted it elsewhere, but I think Miami is the best place to make a play on George

I'm not sure if Richardson / #14 / Johnson / McRoberts (exp) / Ellington (exp) gets it done or if Winslow needs to be added, but if I'm Miami, I pull the trigger on that and sell Griffin or Hayward on being the 4th guy in a PG13/ Whiteside / Dragic core.

[HartfordWhalers]

Is that return better than Randle + Clarkson + #28 + lottery protected LA 1st in 2020?

Dipo > Clarkson
Sabonis is > or =? Randle
21 > 28
lottery protected LA 1st in 2020 > nothing

I have that pretty close either way someone picks it. Even with his contract I'm higher on Oladipo than Clarkson (and his contract). But I don;t really have Sabonis ahead of Randle, which probably makes me an outlier there, after all Sabonis has a lot more team control. I'm tempted to make a whole topic on comparing those two packages and see what others think, my instinct was yes the lakers package is better but writing it out I'm now leaning possibly the other way. In short, I'm completely undecided between the two.

In this scenario, why wouldn't OKC roll the dice and keep Paul George? Westbrook/George is as good a 1-2 punch as there is in the league and with Dipo off the books they can resign Roberson and Gibson and have a very similar team that they had in 15-16 with George instead of Durant.

They would. We were debating which offer wins and gets Indiana to say yes to it (assuming no other better offers):

--Dipo/Sabonis/21
or
-- Clarkson/Randle/28/lottery protected LA 1st in 2020


Whats your take? Which would you prefer as Indiana?

[Spens1]

Randle >>> Sabonis, imo.

Keeping in mind Randle's bad at defense and two years closer to getting off rookie scale? I'm open to Randle being more valuable, but I'm pretty surprised by three >'s.

bad defensively put really good rebounder and his passing is probably one of the best among young big men in the league (4.5APG per 36MPG)

[markjay]

If I'm the Lakers, I take off the lottery protection. Does that help?

[rugbyrugger23]

To Pacers: #7 + #28 + Brewer

To Wolves: #2 + Deng

To Lakers: George + #17 + Hill (100%NG)

Pacers get a top 10 pick for a player on his way out.

Wolves take on Deng, but the Thibs connection and their cap space make it the one place just maybe he isn't a albatross. But the real prize is selecting Jackson or ? at 2. The last huge upside piece Wolves need to complete roster.

Lakers get George a year early and cap space for Magic to attract a marquee FA. #17 can be a rookie selected or try and attach to Clarkson or maybe Mozgov for even more cap space.

[HartfordWhalers]

If I'm the Lakers, I take off the lottery protection. Does that help?

That makes it no contest. So, keep top 3 and let Slava come in and argue for top 5. And I'm sold on the Lakers offer over the OKC offer. (Not that winning me over really matters, but its still nice, right?)

[HartfordWhalers]

To Pacers: #7 + #28 + Brewer

To Wolves: #2 + Deng

To Lakers: George + #17 + Hill (100%NG)

Pacers get a top 10 pick for a player on his way out.

Wolves take on Deng, but the Thibs connection and their cap space make it the one place just maybe he isn't a albatross. But the real prize is selecting Jackson or ? at 2. The last huge upside piece Wolves need to complete roster.

Lakers get George a year early and cap space for Magic to attract a marquee FA. #17 can be a rookie selected or try and attach to Clarkson or maybe Mozgov for even more cap space.

Pacers shouldn't be worried about Deng's cap hit, they aren't signing a Paul George in free agency after trading him away. Minnesota should just get cut out.

[Slava]

If I'm the Lakers, I take off the lottery protection. Does that help?

That makes it no contest. So, keep top 3 and let Slava come in and argue for top 5. And I'm sold on the Lakers offer over the OKC offer. (Not that winning me over really matters, but its still nice, right?)

Even with a lottery protected pick, it makes the Lakers offer higher than anyone would offer for a 1 year rental so at that point reducing protections would mean Lakers bidding against themselves.

If there is an alternate bidder who also has a chance to convince George to stay, I'd think about reducing protections as far down as top 10. Otherwise there's no more than 2 or 3 teams that have the assets to trade for and then convince George to stay.

[R-DAWG]

Dipo > Clarkson
Sabonis is > or =? Randle
21 > 28
lottery protected LA 1st in 2020 > nothing

I have that pretty close either way someone picks it. Even with his contract I'm higher on Oladipo than Clarkson (and his contract). But I don;t really have Sabonis ahead of Randle, which probably makes me an outlier there, after all Sabonis has a lot more team control. I'm tempted to make a whole topic on comparing those two packages and see what others think, my instinct was yes the lakers package is better but writing it out I'm now leaning possibly the other way. In short, I'm completely undecided between the two.

In this scenario, why wouldn't OKC roll the dice and keep Paul George? Westbrook/George is as good a 1-2 punch as there is in the league and with Dipo off the books they can resign Roberson and Gibson and have a very similar team that they had in 15-16 with George instead of Durant.

They would. We were debating which offer wins and gets Indiana to say yes to it (assuming no other better offers):

--Dipo/Sabonis/21
or
-- Clarkson/Randle/28/lottery protected LA 1st in 2020


Whats your take? Which would you prefer as Indiana?

The OKC offer.
Oladipo is the best current player and an IU guy.
Sabonis isn't as established as Randle but has 3 years left on his rookie deal and while I like Randle, he hasn't shown star potential over the past 3 years
21 is better than 28

OKC could offer a future pick as well to even the score.

Westbrook/Roberson/George/Gibson/Adams
With McDermott and Kanter off the bench

[Slava]

To Pacers: #7 + #28 + Brewer

To Wolves: #2 + Deng

To Lakers: George + #17 + Hill (100%NG)

Pacers get a top 10 pick for a player on his way out.

Wolves take on Deng, but the Thibs connection and their cap space make it the one place just maybe he isn't a albatross. But the real prize is selecting Jackson or ? at 2. The last huge upside piece Wolves need to complete roster.

Lakers get George a year early and cap space for Magic to attract a marquee FA. #17 can be a rookie selected or try and attach to Clarkson or maybe Mozgov for even more cap space.

#2 is a no go. I think Ball is a special player. If the pick was even 3rd I'd consider trading down and adding some assets for Indy but 2nd pick and a chance at one of the two top PGs has a bigger impact on the franchise than George would.

[Texas Chuck]

Ehhhh... all this bemoaning from Pacers fans is a little over the top. Where were they when LaMarcus Aldridge told the Blazers he wanted to stay and then bolted in the offseason leaving them with nothing? This really wasn't that bad IMO.

Not the place nor the time. I know that sucked, but Pacers fans shouldn't care as much about LMA as George for obvious reasons.

[rugbyrugger23]

To Pacers: #7 + #28 + Brewer

To Wolves: #2 + Deng

To Lakers: George + #17 + Hill (100%NG)

Pacers get a top 10 pick for a player on his way out.

Wolves take on Deng, but the Thibs connection and their cap space make it the one place just maybe he isn't a albatross. But the real prize is selecting Jackson or ? at 2. The last huge upside piece Wolves need to complete roster.

Lakers get George a year early and cap space for Magic to attract a marquee FA. #17 can be a rookie selected or try and attach to Clarkson or maybe Mozgov for even more cap space.

Pacers shouldn't be worried about Deng's cap hit, they aren't signing a Paul George in free agency after trading him away. Minnesota should just get cut out.

That is one way of thinking. Pacers could go that route. But on the other hand, all their big contract are options or expirings (by strategic design). They could go into 2018 offseason with Turner, #7, their 2018 1st (without George could be high pick), and basically clear cap (maybe they retain Thad). Pacers don't HAVE to go long rebuild. Take that young core, and before Turner needs a max extension, Pacers can recut 2+ max free agents, plus other lower level FA's.

Not eating Deng contract to even have that option is and should be appealing -- also not ignored.