Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[NYG]

I think it could get really crazy in the 48 hours leading up to the draft, with teams having wide differences in opinions, up and down the draft.

But even if things get really crazy, I just don't see the veteran out there worth trading for.

I guess the T'Wolves could fall in love with a guy they think they could still get later in the draft (see the Celtics with Tatum) and go for a Fultz/Tatum or Luka/Trae type of deal. I know fans don't want to be the one making that deal (2020 1st and conditional 2021 1st for T'Wolves pick), but if your scouts identify one of Wiseman, Ball and Edwards as "the guy" of this draft then you're team easily gives that.

I could see Detroit saying screw it and making a pretty solid offer. They could really use the buzz of a Wiseman/Edwards/Ball during a rebuild, but it would need to be a perfect storm of a team from 3-8 falling in love with a top 3 guy and the T'Wolves seeing first overall pick value in someone they could move down and still get. If the Wolves are moving down knowing they're getting a lesser talent, but a better fit then that seems like a waste of a first overall pick.

[Texas Chuck]

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[Scoot McGroot]

Do we just ignore Ryen Russillo and his multitude of bold statements on Bill Simmons' podcast? (I mean, these seem bold statements that haven't quite been backed up, though maybe just assumed by a bunch of people?)
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260119/Gordon-Hayward-Interested-In-Leaving-Celtics-Via-Trade-Or-Free-Agency
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260118/Devin-Booker-Reportedly-Already-Wants-Out-Of-Phoenix

[Texas Chuck]

Do we just ignore Ryen Russillo and his multitude of bold statements on Bill Simmons' podcast? (I mean, these seem bold statements that haven't quite been backed up, though maybe just assumed by a bunch of people?)
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260119/Gordon-Hayward-Interested-In-Leaving-Celtics-Via-Trade-Or-Free-Agency
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260118/Devin-Booker-Reportedly-Already-Wants-Out-Of-Phoenix

Personally I put zero weight in what he says.

[Scoot McGroot]

Do we just ignore Ryen Russillo and his multitude of bold statements on Bill Simmons' podcast? (I mean, these seem bold statements that haven't quite been backed up, though maybe just assumed by a bunch of people?)
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260119/Gordon-Hayward-Interested-In-Leaving-Celtics-Via-Trade-Or-Free-Agency
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260118/Devin-Booker-Reportedly-Already-Wants-Out-Of-Phoenix

Personally I put zero weight in what he says.

I was thinking the same. Just wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed something about him.

[Godaddycurse]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

[Texas Chuck]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

Say it louder for those in the back.

[Scoot McGroot]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

Similarly to me, player options and playing it as if it benefits you both ways. They benefit the player both ways, not the team. If the player is good, they’ll opt out and expect a pay raise. If they’re injured or diminished in play, they’re usually inherently a bad deal.

[Buzzard]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

I think its relative to the players value.

Horford's 14.5 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value three years from now.
Thad's 6 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value two years from now.
Dedmon's 1 million does not suck horribly two years from now, but keeping him at 13.3 probably does.

Its never a good thing to pay a player not playing for you but bigger contracts get bought out or players flat out released every season. Sometimes biting the bullet to open the roster spot for a player you like takes precedent.

[becorz]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

I think its relative to the players value.

Horford's 14.5 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value three years from now.
Thad's 6 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value two years from now.
Dedmon's 1 million does not suck horribly two years from now, but keeping him at 13.3 probably does.

Its never a good thing to pay a player not playing for you but bigger contracts get bought out or players flat out released every season. Sometimes biting the bullet to open the roster spot for a player you like takes precedent.

For the Kings, partial guarantees are how they have been able to land players in free agency, as a sort of Sacramento tax. Basically, the Kings are basically forced to defer portions of their payments to players to future years, sort of like football. It has become sort of a necessary evil for them.

I don't think the Kings ever planned on keeping Dedmon that extra year, so he gets the bonus one million at the end of the contract.

[Texas Chuck]

For the Kings, partial guarantees are how they have been able to land players in free agency, as a sort of Sacramento tax. Basically, the Kings are basically forced to defer portions of their payments to players to future years, sort of like football. It has become sort of a necessary evil for them.

I don't think the Kings ever planned on keeping Dedmon that extra year, so he gets the bonus one million at the end of the contract.

What a fantastic tidbit of information. I hadn't ever really stopped to think about that, but it makes a lot of sense and explains some of the contracts they've signed players to. Ariza had a partial guarantee on a recent Kings deal as well. Joseph has one, etc..

[Buzzard]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

I think its relative to the players value.

Horford's 14.5 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value three years from now.
Thad's 6 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value two years from now.
Dedmon's 1 million does not suck horribly two years from now, but keeping him at 13.3 probably does.

Its never a good thing to pay a player not playing for you but bigger contracts get bought out or players flat out released every season. Sometimes biting the bullet to open the roster spot for a player you like takes precedent.

For the Kings, partial guarantees are how they have been able to land players in free agency, as a sort of Sacramento tax. Basically, the Kings are basically forced to defer portions of their payments to players to future years, sort of like football. It has become sort of a necessary evil for them.

I don't think the Kings ever planned on keeping Dedmon that extra year, so he gets the bonus one million at the end of the contract.

That is great info and sounds like a way for less attractive destinations to hand out a bonus for signing with them.

[giberish]

For the Kings, partial guarantees are how they have been able to land players in free agency, as a sort of Sacramento tax. Basically, the Kings are basically forced to defer portions of their payments to players to future years, sort of like football. It has become sort of a necessary evil for them.

I don't think the Kings ever planned on keeping Dedmon that extra year, so he gets the bonus one million at the end of the contract.

What a fantastic tidbit of information. I hadn't ever really stopped to think about that, but it makes a lot of sense and explains some of the contracts they've signed players to. Ariza had a partial guarantee on a recent Kings deal as well. Joseph has one, etc..

I still don't like the idea. You're basically deferring the pain of paying extra to FA's. When you've got the cap space/tax flexibility that the Kings have had recently then just pay guys an extra $M to get them to sign if they're reluctant.

IMO partial guarantees like these used as a bonus only make sense if you're a win-now team that just can't afford to pay any more in the short-term.

[Texas Chuck]

For the Kings, partial guarantees are how they have been able to land players in free agency, as a sort of Sacramento tax. Basically, the Kings are basically forced to defer portions of their payments to players to future years, sort of like football. It has become sort of a necessary evil for them.

I don't think the Kings ever planned on keeping Dedmon that extra year, so he gets the bonus one million at the end of the contract.

What a fantastic tidbit of information. I hadn't ever really stopped to think about that, but it makes a lot of sense and explains some of the contracts they've signed players to. Ariza had a partial guarantee on a recent Kings deal as well. Joseph has one, etc..

I still don't like the idea. You're basically deferring the pain of paying extra to FA's. When you've got the cap space/tax flexibility that the Kings have had recently then just pay guys an extra $M to get them to sign if they're reluctant.

IMO partial guarantees like these used as a bonus only make sense if you're a win-now team that just can't afford to pay any more in the short-term.

Oh I hate them too. But I understand how a team like the Kings might feel they have no other choice to get guys. They might not have had the cap/tax room to pay them more on a shorter deal and went that route.

I definitely don't want Dallas handing any of those out.

[Couch Potato]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

I think its relative to the players value.

Horford's 14.5 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value three years from now.
Thad's 6 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value two years from now.
Dedmon's 1 million does not suck horribly two years from now, but keeping him at 13.3 probably does.

Its never a good thing to pay a player not playing for you but bigger contracts get bought out or players flat out released every season. Sometimes biting the bullet to open the roster spot for a player you like takes precedent.

I never got the whole idea of the Hawks taking Dedmon back on that deal.

[Buzzard]

Something.that bothers the hell out of me:

People stating a large partial guarantee like its a good thing. It is NOT good. You are paying it potentially for zero production. Its only to limit your losses if the player is injured or pulled a batum but on its own its not a positive.

I think its relative to the players value.

Horford's 14.5 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value three years from now.
Thad's 6 million sucks because that is probably his high ball value two years from now.
Dedmon's 1 million does not suck horribly two years from now, but keeping him at 13.3 probably does.

Its never a good thing to pay a player not playing for you but bigger contracts get bought out or players flat out released every season. Sometimes biting the bullet to open the roster spot for a player you like takes precedent.

I never got the whole idea of the Hawks taking Dedmon back on that deal.

You probably did not watch the Hawks play much when Len and Jones were the default starters much of the season getting 34.7 minutes a game at center. If you had, there would be no doubt in your mind why the Hawks prefer Capela and Dedmon.

We can complain about Dedmon's 13.3 million in 2020/21, but there are probably 2 dozen contracts out there that can be viewed as much worse.

[zimpy27]

Do we just ignore Ryen Russillo and his multitude of bold statements on Bill Simmons' podcast? (I mean, these seem bold statements that haven't quite been backed up, though maybe just assumed by a bunch of people?)
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260119/Gordon-Hayward-Interested-In-Leaving-Celtics-Via-Trade-Or-Free-Agency
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260118/Devin-Booker-Reportedly-Already-Wants-Out-Of-Phoenix

Personally I put zero weight in what he says.

I was thinking the same. Just wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed something about him.

Any of us could create a twitter handle, get a blue tick and then start talking about NBA rumours. We can pretend to have sources behind the scenes. The great thing about rumours is that they aren't actions, so you can't prove they are happening or not happening. If you never made a bold claim about something that will actively happen then you can coast along forever looking like an insider without a single source or connection. We know enough about basketball to make some educated guesses.

I always wanted to do this as a psychological experiment. I don't think it would be hard at all.

[Scoot McGroot]

Personally I put zero weight in what he says.

I was thinking the same. Just wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed something about him.

Any of us could create a twitter handle, get a blue tick and then start talking about NBA rumours. We can pretend to have sources behind the scenes. The great thing about rumours is that they aren't actions, so you can't prove they are happening or not happening. If you never made a bold claim about something that will actively happen then you can coast along forever looking like an insider without a single source or connection. We know enough about basketball to make some educated guesses.

I always wanted to do this as a psychological experiment. I don't think it would be hard at all.

I get that, but in fairness, Russillo is at least a big time ESPN name from their radio game, and now the Ringer, though I just wanted to make sure that any credibility he has was merely from his association with ESPN and Scott Van Pelt, not from being earned.

[zimpy27]

I was thinking the same. Just wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed something about him.

Any of us could create a twitter handle, get a blue tick and then start talking about NBA rumours. We can pretend to have sources behind the scenes. The great thing about rumours is that they aren't actions, so you can't prove they are happening or not happening. If you never made a bold claim about something that will actively happen then you can coast along forever looking like an insider without a single source or connection. We know enough about basketball to make some educated guesses.

I always wanted to do this as a psychological experiment. I don't think it would be hard at all.

I get that, but in fairness, Russillo is at least a big time ESPN name from their radio game, and now the Ringer, though I just wanted to make sure that any credibility he has was merely from his association with ESPN and Scott Van Pelt, not from being earned.

If you are subtle you can leverage yourself into these positions to look credible by association.

So yeah, I don't know if he's lying but you have to question why this one guy would have info and come out with it if others have not.

[Scoot McGroot]

Any of us could create a twitter handle, get a blue tick and then start talking about NBA rumours. We can pretend to have sources behind the scenes. The great thing about rumours is that they aren't actions, so you can't prove they are happening or not happening. If you never made a bold claim about something that will actively happen then you can coast along forever looking like an insider without a single source or connection. We know enough about basketball to make some educated guesses.

I always wanted to do this as a psychological experiment. I don't think it would be hard at all.

I get that, but in fairness, Russillo is at least a big time ESPN name from their radio game, and now the Ringer, though I just wanted to make sure that any credibility he has was merely from his association with ESPN and Scott Van Pelt, not from being earned.

If you are subtle you can leverage yourself into these positions to look credible by association.

So yeah, I don't know if he's lying but you have to question why this one guy would have info and come out with it if others have not.

Yeah, I was suspicious, as I stated. I was just making sure I hadn't missed something else.

But, as to the bold, we also have all taken Jared Weiss' info on Oladipo and Turner, when it hasn't been corroborated since he wrote it weeks ago, he hasn't discussed it or answered any questions on his reporting on it since, and has been contradicted by the Miami Herald recently that has reported that "Oladipo likes Indy and would be happy staying there..." So...