Trade offers for Darius Garland?

[Asianiac_24]

Would a trade centered around MPJ work? Garland would give Denver another ball handler, and Christian Braun takes over his place.

[Mr Loggins]

Would a trade centered around MPJ work? Garland would give Denver another ball handler, and Christian Braun takes over his place.

MPJ’s contract and injury history makes him a toxic contract

[bgrep14]

Given Minnesota is going to be a second apron team next year and Reid's ascension, do the T'Wolves entertain something like:

Darius Garland
Dean Wade

for

KAT

Saves Minnesota $7M in cap space while distributing KAT's salary into savings (used in free agency), a viable backup forward (allowing Naz to step into the starting role), and a future PG to pair with Ant (while Conley's salary is still a very affordable 3rd guard)..

Garland, Ant, McDaniels, Reid, Gobert with Conley, NAW, Wade, FA and first round pick sounds a little more sustainable yet still balanced, no?

For the Cavs, KAT and Mobley would be an ideal pairing and allows them to ship Allen off for a wing to build around Mitchell.

KAT for Garland would work from Cleveland but they’d send Niang instead of Wade

[Wolveswin]

Given Minnesota is going to be a second apron team next year and Reid's ascension, do the T'Wolves entertain something like:

Darius Garland
Dean Wade

for

KAT

Saves Minnesota $7M in cap space while distributing KAT's salary into savings (used in free agency), a viable backup forward (allowing Naz to step into the starting role), and a future PG to pair with Ant (while Conley's salary is still a very affordable 3rd guard)..

Garland, Ant, McDaniels, Reid, Gobert with Conley, NAW, Wade, FA and first round pick sounds a little more sustainable yet still balanced, no?

For the Cavs, KAT and Mobley would be an ideal pairing and allows them to ship Allen off for a wing to build around Mitchell.

KAT for Garland would work from Cleveland but they’d send Niang instead of Wade

I think this playoff run for Wolves has really made me come around to Towns for Garland. Towns has been amazing, but the worry was always Garland fit with Edwards. This playoffs keeps showing more and more scoring is needed. Garland can keep that scoring, Reid helps absorb scoring from PF as similar shooting bigman, Conley leads the bench.

For Cavs, this is a great move to convince Mitchell (maybe he has to be confirmed first) to stay. Then trade Allen. Maybe Allen for Ingram+.

Mobley | Towns
Towns | Wade
Ingram | LeVert
Strus | LeVert | Okoro?
Mitchell

[toooskies]

Given Minnesota is going to be a second apron team next year and Reid's ascension, do the T'Wolves entertain something like:

Darius Garland
Dean Wade

for

KAT

Saves Minnesota $7M in cap space while distributing KAT's salary into savings (used in free agency), a viable backup forward (allowing Naz to step into the starting role), and a future PG to pair with Ant (while Conley's salary is still a very affordable 3rd guard)..

Garland, Ant, McDaniels, Reid, Gobert with Conley, NAW, Wade, FA and first round pick sounds a little more sustainable yet still balanced, no?

For the Cavs, KAT and Mobley would be an ideal pairing and allows them to ship Allen off for a wing to build around Mitchell.

KAT for Garland would work from Cleveland but they’d send Niang instead of Wade

I think this playoff run for Wolves has really made me come around to Towns for Garland. Towns has been amazing, but the worry was always Garland fit with Edwards. This playoffs keeps showing more and more scoring is needed. Garland can keep that scoring, Reid helps absorb scoring from PF as similar shooting bigman, Conley leads the bench.

For Cavs, this is a great move to convince Mitchell (maybe he has to be confirmed first) to stay. Then trade Allen. Maybe Allen for Ingram+.

Mobley | Towns
Towns | Wade
Ingram | LeVert
Strus | LeVert | Okoro?
Mitchell

Minnesota won't want to pair Garland with Ant if Garland is being rubbed the wrong way playing with Mitchell.

[Wolveswin]

KAT for Garland would work from Cleveland but they’d send Niang instead of Wade

I think this playoff run for Wolves has really made me come around to Towns for Garland. Towns has been amazing, but the worry was always Garland fit with Edwards. This playoffs keeps showing more and more scoring is needed. Garland can keep that scoring, Reid helps absorb scoring from PF as similar shooting bigman, Conley leads the bench.

For Cavs, this is a great move to convince Mitchell (maybe he has to be confirmed first) to stay. Then trade Allen. Maybe Allen for Ingram+.

Mobley | Towns
Towns | Wade
Ingram | LeVert
Strus | LeVert | Okoro?
Mitchell

Minnesota won't want to pair Garland with Ant if Garland is being rubbed the wrong way playing with Mitchell.

I don’t agree with that. Garland is more passing lead guard than he gets credit for. Many threads on this. Find and research.

Garland would be true PG, not clouded with small combo guard Mitchell.

Not saying this is a perfect pairing with Edwards. But very hard to find ‘perfect’ when trading Towns. Wolves need less expensive, retain scoring, locked in, young player, all if trading Towns. Garland checks all of those boxes 100%. Again, playoffs proving having firepower more and more important.

[toooskies]

I think this playoff run for Wolves has really made me come around to Towns for Garland. Towns has been amazing, but the worry was always Garland fit with Edwards. This playoffs keeps showing more and more scoring is needed. Garland can keep that scoring, Reid helps absorb scoring from PF as similar shooting bigman, Conley leads the bench.

For Cavs, this is a great move to convince Mitchell (maybe he has to be confirmed first) to stay. Then trade Allen. Maybe Allen for Ingram+.

Mobley | Towns
Towns | Wade
Ingram | LeVert
Strus | LeVert | Okoro?
Mitchell

Minnesota won't want to pair Garland with Ant if Garland is being rubbed the wrong way playing with Mitchell.

I don’t agree with that. Garland is more passing lead guard than he gets credit for. Many threads on this. Find and research.

Garland would be true PG, not clouded with small combo guard Mitchell.

Not saying this is a perfect pairing with Edwards. But very hard to find ‘perfect’ when trading Towns. Wolves need less expensive, retain scoring, locked in, young player, all if trading Towns. Garland checks all of those boxes 100%. Again, playoffs proving having firepower more and more important.

I've watched Garland plenty. He wants the offense and the play to revolve around him. He is at his best in the pick and roll and iso. He could be a Steph-style off-ball threat if he wanted but regressed at that this year, possibly because of all the time he missed.

[Wolveswin]

Minnesota won't want to pair Garland with Ant if Garland is being rubbed the wrong way playing with Mitchell.

I don’t agree with that. Garland is more passing lead guard than he gets credit for. Many threads on this. Find and research.

Garland would be true PG, not clouded with small combo guard Mitchell.

Not saying this is a perfect pairing with Edwards. But very hard to find ‘perfect’ when trading Towns. Wolves need less expensive, retain scoring, locked in, young player, all if trading Towns. Garland checks all of those boxes 100%. Again, playoffs proving having firepower more and more important.

I've watched Garland plenty. He wants the offense and the play to revolve around him. He is at his best in the pick and roll and iso. He could be a Steph-style off-ball threat if he wanted but regressed at that this year, possibly because of all the time he missed.

Playoff basketball is proving that is exactly what Wolves need from their PG. A true sidekick who can score, take heavy lift off Edwards - who is learning to exert max effort on D too - and lead the team with Edwards. Conley is that but a 35yo version. Garland two years ago or even pre-Mitchell was super young but trending to be exactly that. Tutored by Conley in a refreshed role I think the pairing - although not perfect - is amazing outcome in a Towns trade.

[mcfly1204]

I don’t agree with that. Garland is more passing lead guard than he gets credit for. Many threads on this. Find and research.

Garland would be true PG, not clouded with small combo guard Mitchell.

Not saying this is a perfect pairing with Edwards. But very hard to find ‘perfect’ when trading Towns. Wolves need less expensive, retain scoring, locked in, young player, all if trading Towns. Garland checks all of those boxes 100%. Again, playoffs proving having firepower more and more important.

I've watched Garland plenty. He wants the offense and the play to revolve around him. He is at his best in the pick and roll and iso. He could be a Steph-style off-ball threat if he wanted but regressed at that this year, possibly because of all the time he missed.

Playoff basketball is proving that is exactly what Wolves need from their PG. A true sidekick who can score, take heavy lift off Edwards - who is learning to exert max effort on D too - and lead the team with Edwards. Conley is that but a 35yo version. Garland two years ago or even pre-Mitchell was super young but trending to be exactly that. Tutored by Conley in a refreshed role I think the pairing - although not perfect - is amazing outcome in a Towns trade.

To look at it another way, if Mitchell was the same size as Edwards, the "small" backcourt narrative in Cleveland would not be a thing.

[Wolveswin]

I've watched Garland plenty. He wants the offense and the play to revolve around him. He is at his best in the pick and roll and iso. He could be a Steph-style off-ball threat if he wanted but regressed at that this year, possibly because of all the time he missed.

Playoff basketball is proving that is exactly what Wolves need from their PG. A true sidekick who can score, take heavy lift off Edwards - who is learning to exert max effort on D too - and lead the team with Edwards. Conley is that but a 35yo version. Garland two years ago or even pre-Mitchell was super young but trending to be exactly that. Tutored by Conley in a refreshed role I think the pairing - although not perfect - is amazing outcome in a Towns trade.

To look at it another way, if Mitchell was the same size as Edwards, the "small" backcourt narrative in Cleveland would not be a thing.

Huh?

[mcfly1204]

Playoff basketball is proving that is exactly what Wolves need from their PG. A true sidekick who can score, take heavy lift off Edwards - who is learning to exert max effort on D too - and lead the team with Edwards. Conley is that but a 35yo version. Garland two years ago or even pre-Mitchell was super young but trending to be exactly that. Tutored by Conley in a refreshed role I think the pairing - although not perfect - is amazing outcome in a Towns trade.

To look at it another way, if Mitchell was the same size as Edwards, the "small" backcourt narrative in Cleveland would not be a thing.

Huh?

Edwards and Mitchell are comparable players. The "flaw" with Cleveland's backcourt would likely not be considered the same flaw in Minnesota. Instead, to your point, you would have your second creator/scorer that would help alleviate the offensive load, e.g. why Cleveland acquired Mitchell in the first place.

[DowJones]

Garland for Towns is interesting. I really don’t like the idea of trading Garland for someone that is going to be 29 at the start of next season, but I do think Towns is a good fit with Mobley.

[Wolveswin]

To look at it another way, if Mitchell was the same size as Edwards, the "small" backcourt narrative in Cleveland would not be a thing.

Huh?

Edwards and Mitchell are comparable players. The "flaw" with Cleveland's backcourt would likely not be considered the same flaw in Minnesota. Instead, to your point, you would have your second creator/scorer that would help alleviate the offensive load, e.g. why Cleveland acquired Mitchell in the first place.

I think Edwards is better at D and more willing. This playoffs - I think - shows where Edwards wants to go. Best two way SG in NBA. Last nights game showed how doing all 3 (massive scoring, ball-in-hand duties, and d up teams top 2 player) just isn’t sustainable. Having a guard who can be a young Conley with more scoring, more lead guard, will only help Edwards accomplish his goal.

Wolves will just require having a NAW - defensive guard - off bench to subsidize Garland.

[toooskies]

I don’t agree with that. Garland is more passing lead guard than he gets credit for. Many threads on this. Find and research.

Garland would be true PG, not clouded with small combo guard Mitchell.

Not saying this is a perfect pairing with Edwards. But very hard to find ‘perfect’ when trading Towns. Wolves need less expensive, retain scoring, locked in, young player, all if trading Towns. Garland checks all of those boxes 100%. Again, playoffs proving having firepower more and more important.

I've watched Garland plenty. He wants the offense and the play to revolve around him. He is at his best in the pick and roll and iso. He could be a Steph-style off-ball threat if he wanted but regressed at that this year, possibly because of all the time he missed.

Playoff basketball is proving that is exactly what Wolves need from their PG. A true sidekick who can score, take heavy lift off Edwards - who is learning to exert max effort on D too - and lead the team with Edwards. Conley is that but a 35yo version. Garland two years ago or even pre-Mitchell was super young but trending to be exactly that. Tutored by Conley in a refreshed role I think the pairing - although not perfect - is amazing outcome in a Towns trade.

But that's the thing-- the trade talk around Garland is probably that he doesn't want to be the sidekick.

(We haven't heard much detail other than that his agent wants to discuss a trade if Mitchell extends, so it requires some speculation as to why-- but Ant and Mitchell both will have the ball in their hands in winning time.)

There's no indication that he wants to be traded just because Mitchell isn't taller. It's more likely that he wants to be traded because he wants to play like he did in game 4 of the Celtics series all the time, and he won't get to do that next to Ant.

[tidho]

Edwards and Mitchell are comparable players.

As of this playoffs, Edwards is on a different level. He looks like a legitimate 1st option, Mitchell is clearly a notch below that.

[Texas Chuck]

Edwards and Mitchell are comparable players.

As of this playoffs, Edwards is on a different level. He looks like a legitimate 1st option, Mitchell is clearly a notch below that.

Mitch is absolutely a legit 1st option. He's not Jokic, SGA, Luka, but he's right there with literally anyone else. What are we doing? Mitchell is a proven playoff performer. Way more proven than Edwards.

[Wolveswin]

I've watched Garland plenty. He wants the offense and the play to revolve around him. He is at his best in the pick and roll and iso. He could be a Steph-style off-ball threat if he wanted but regressed at that this year, possibly because of all the time he missed.

Playoff basketball is proving that is exactly what Wolves need from their PG. A true sidekick who can score, take heavy lift off Edwards - who is learning to exert max effort on D too - and lead the team with Edwards. Conley is that but a 35yo version. Garland two years ago or even pre-Mitchell was super young but trending to be exactly that. Tutored by Conley in a refreshed role I think the pairing - although not perfect - is amazing outcome in a Towns trade.

But that's the thing-- the trade talk around Garland is probably that he doesn't want to be the sidekick.

(We haven't heard much detail other than that his agent wants to discuss a trade if Mitchell extends, so it requires some speculation as to why-- but Ant and Mitchell both will have the ball in their hands in winning time.)

There's no indication that he wants to be traded just because Mitchell isn't taller. It's more likely that he wants to be traded because he wants to play like he did in game 4 of the Celtics series all the time, and he won't get to do that next to Ant.

Mitchell and Edwards might both be first options but aren’t the same player. Edwards needs ball in hand but playoff Edwards is proving less. Mitchell doesn’t play the D Edwards does. Edwards is dedicated to D. He needs more player next to him because of that - more than Mitchell.

[Euphonetiks]

To look at it another way, if Mitchell was the same size as Edwards, the "small" backcourt narrative in Cleveland would not be a thing.

Huh?

Edwards and Mitchell are comparable players. The "flaw" with Cleveland's backcourt would likely not be considered the same flaw in Minnesota. Instead, to your point, you would have your second creator/scorer that would help alleviate the offensive load, e.g. why Cleveland acquired Mitchell in the first place.

The "flaw" of the Mitchell/Garland backcourt appears to be two-fold:

(1) two small guards is bad for defensive purposes
(2) two guards who both want the ball in their hands and the offense to run through them will have conflict

The first problem is an issue from a team building perspective. Small offensively focused guards need to be hidden on defense. It is difficult to hide two of them. The second problem is an issue from the players' perspective. You can't have two players be 'the guy' on one team. One has to defer and accept the #2 role. From the reports of Klutch wanting to meet with Altman if the Cavs re-sign Mitchell, suggests the second issue may be the bigger problem.

Edwards helps with the 1st problem, but if Garland really wants to run his own team, he needs to go to somewhere like WAS. I do not think Edwards will defer to Garland with the game on the line. And as Edwards grows, I can see him wanting to initiate the offense more, especially in the regular season when his defense doesn't have to be at 100%.

[Wolveswin]

Huh?

Edwards and Mitchell are comparable players. The "flaw" with Cleveland's backcourt would likely not be considered the same flaw in Minnesota. Instead, to your point, you would have your second creator/scorer that would help alleviate the offensive load, e.g. why Cleveland acquired Mitchell in the first place.

The "flaw" of the Mitchell/Garland backcourt appears to be two-fold:

(1) two small guards is bad for defensive purposes
(2) two guards who both want the ball in their hands and the offense to run through them will have conflict

The first problem is an issue from a team building perspective. Small offensively focused guards need to be hidden on defense. It is difficult to hide two of them. The second problem is an issue from the players' perspective. You can't have two players be 'the guy' on one team. One has to defer and accept the #2 role. From the reports of Klutch wanting to meet with Altman if the Cavs re-sign Mitchell, suggests the second issue may be the bigger problem.

Edwards helps with the 1st problem, but if Garland really wants to run his own team, he needs to go to somewhere like WAS. I do not think Edwards will defer to Garland with the game on the line. And as Edwards grows, I can see him wanting to initiate the offense more, especially in the regular season when his defense doesn't have to be at 100%.

If Irving and Doncic can make the duoship work, Garland and Edwards most certainly can. More so after this playoffs for both of them. Hit across the head where they are and where they want to be.

[toooskies]

Playoff basketball is proving that is exactly what Wolves need from their PG. A true sidekick who can score, take heavy lift off Edwards - who is learning to exert max effort on D too - and lead the team with Edwards. Conley is that but a 35yo version. Garland two years ago or even pre-Mitchell was super young but trending to be exactly that. Tutored by Conley in a refreshed role I think the pairing - although not perfect - is amazing outcome in a Towns trade.

But that's the thing-- the trade talk around Garland is probably that he doesn't want to be the sidekick.

(We haven't heard much detail other than that his agent wants to discuss a trade if Mitchell extends, so it requires some speculation as to why-- but Ant and Mitchell both will have the ball in their hands in winning time.)

There's no indication that he wants to be traded just because Mitchell isn't taller. It's more likely that he wants to be traded because he wants to play like he did in game 4 of the Celtics series all the time, and he won't get to do that next to Ant.

Mitchell and Edwards might both be first options but aren’t the same player. Edwards needs ball in hand but playoff Edwards is proving less. Mitchell doesn’t play the D Edwards does. Edwards is dedicated to D. He needs more player next to him because of that - more than Mitchell.

The Cavs have had three playoff series and the defense of Garland/Mitchell hasn't been an issue in any of them. It is certainly not a credible reason that Garland would seek a trade. (No one asks for a trade because they're not being hidden well enough on D.)

The issue would entirely be that Garland is most comfortable being the initiator of the offense and he isn't going to produce as much scoring as his agent wants unless he's running the plays the entire time he's out there. He's not going to be your best player, but you want him to be setting up your best player.

Which is why he wants a trade if Mitchell extends-- because Mitchell doesn't need setting up. And Ant doesn't need setting up. Whereas if Garland gets traded to San Antonio to play with Wemby, or the Lakers to play with AD, he's a key part of what they can do together.