Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[Godaddycurse]

So.. Philly keeps their pick?

Beal to Dallas
PG to Phoenix
Gafford, Klay, Naji, Hardy, Powell to Philly
Martin to a fourth team

Probably Powell and or Hardy to a fifth team to save Philly some money, but that’s details. Would love a way to keep Naji (or Martin) out of it, but assume you keep PJ here and figure out the wing depth at the draft / vet mins. Not the best plan but there’s some decent wings projected to be drafted in the early teens..

What does Dallas get in that model? Or is it not worth exploring?

Beal’s NTC isn’t really a big deal for a team with two other 32 year olds and no picks.

Beal should be happy, Dallas is a nice city? Some great neighborhoods/suburbs. Two stars to decline with.

dont think philly would pay to dump PG for bunch of role players

[Astaluego]

Beal + FRP to the Magic for KCP/Cole/Isaak.
The Suns convert Beal into more mobile contracts.

The Magic get the scorer they so desperately need and get paid for it.

Why does Beal accept? To have an important role on a playoff team and still enjoy basketball. I don't know Orlando (although I would love to), although I assume, given its nickname ("the beautiful city"), it must be a good place to live.

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[jayjaysee]

So tried a different one but..

Rudy and Coby to Dallas
Lively, Martin, Prosper to Minnesota
Klay, Gafford, Dallas first, Det first to Chicago

Chicago gets two mid firsts for Coby and goes looking for new homes for Klay/Gafford.

Minnesota locks up a young starting five by clearing their tax problem for the next 2 years?

Dallas brings Coby in to help the offense until Kyrie is healthy, then be a good enough secondary piece and Rudy/AD/PJ big trio can match up against anyone?

Meh?

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[Godaddycurse]

So tried a different one but..

Rudy and Coby to Dallas
Lively, Martin, Prosper to Minnesota
Klay, Gafford, Dallas first, Det first to Chicago

Chicago gets two mid firsts for Coby and goes looking for new homes for Klay/Gafford.

Minnesota locks up a young starting five by clearing their tax problem for the next 2 years?

Dallas brings Coby in to help the offense until Kyrie is healthy, then be a good enough secondary piece and Rudy/AD/PJ big trio can match up against anyone?

Meh?

I think coby is worth one 1st, not 2

[jayjaysee]

So tried a different one but..

Rudy and Coby to Dallas
Lively, Martin, Prosper to Minnesota
Klay, Gafford, Dallas first, Det first to Chicago

Chicago gets two mid firsts for Coby and goes looking for new homes for Klay/Gafford.

Minnesota locks up a young starting five by clearing their tax problem for the next 2 years?

Dallas brings Coby in to help the offense until Kyrie is healthy, then be a good enough secondary piece and Rudy/AD/PJ big trio can match up against anyone?

Meh?

I think coby is worth one 1st, not 2

Honestly, I agree.

But think Minn/Dallas both do their versions and couldn’t decide what fixes the value so just put both?

Maybe Minn only needs to add the Utah 2nd? Maybe Dallas can get the 2nd instead of Chicago?

No complaints.

[Godaddycurse]

So tried a different one but..

Rudy and Coby to Dallas
Lively, Martin, Prosper to Minnesota
Klay, Gafford, Dallas first, Det first to Chicago

Chicago gets two mid firsts for Coby and goes looking for new homes for Klay/Gafford.

Minnesota locks up a young starting five by clearing their tax problem for the next 2 years?

Dallas brings Coby in to help the offense until Kyrie is healthy, then be a good enough secondary piece and Rudy/AD/PJ big trio can match up against anyone?

Meh?

I think coby is worth one 1st, not 2

Honestly, I agree.

But think Minn/Dallas both do their versions and couldn’t decide what fixes the value so just put both?

Maybe Minn only needs to add the Utah 2nd? Maybe Dallas can get the 2nd instead of Chicago?

No complaints.

I dont think Minny does their version. I think lively fetch rudy (+salary relief) or the 1st, not both.

I think rudy > Lively and the 17th pick >= salary relief. I think rudy for lively and salary relief is fair for them.

[jayjaysee]

I think coby is worth one 1st, not 2

Honestly, I agree.

But think Minn/Dallas both do their versions and couldn’t decide what fixes the value so just put both?

Maybe Minn only needs to add the Utah 2nd? Maybe Dallas can get the 2nd instead of Chicago?

No complaints.

I dont think Minny does their version. I think lively fetch rudy (+salary relief) or the 1st, not both.

I think rudy > Lively and the 17th pick >= salary relief. I think rudy for lively and salary relief is fair for them.

Yeah, I mostly don’t think Minn wants to move Rudy so don’t think it matters much?

But I’m not sure if Rudy commands Lively + the relief. Salary relief feels like a glossed over way of saying what’s really about 35-40 million dollars (once you account for filling the other roster spots, didn’t do the math at all) in salary, obviously a lot more money in tax.. and assigning no value to Martin / Prosper seems off a bit?

Even if you just think one second each, we’re talking about the 32nd pick at this point..

If Rudy does still have that value, and if Dallas feels it’s worth doing - Dallas can add more to Chicago if they are owed it. Or as you said, Chicago is happy with Dallas’ pick… can find new homes for Gafford/Klay if they want.

Or you just make Minnesota take on Klay. And that’s how the deal gets saved.

[cgf]

Hawks will re-sign LeVert, right?

[jayjaysee]

Random one again.

Demar to Dallas
Deni+Naji to Sac
Klay+2025 (or 2026 if Sac wins in play in) Sac, 2027 SAS, 2031 Minn first to Portland

What else would be needed? Dallas owes something, somewhere I think? But not a real first?

[Astaluego]

Random one again.

Demar to Dallas
Deni+Naji to Sac
Klay+2025 (or 2026 if Sac wins in play in) Sac, 2027 SAS, 2031 Minn first to Portland

What else would be needed? Dallas owes something, somewhere I think? But not a real first?

DDR to MAVS

J.Grant+2 SRP(Hawks)to KINGS

Gafford to HAWKS

Hardy/Powell to BLAZERS

[jayjaysee]

Random one again.

Demar to Dallas
Deni+Naji to Sac
Klay+2025 (or 2026 if Sac wins in play in) Sac, 2027 SAS, 2031 Minn first to Portland

What else would be needed? Dallas owes something, somewhere I think? But not a real first?

DDR to MAVS

J.Grant+2 SRP(Hawks)to KINGS

Gafford to HAWKS

Hardy/Powell to BLAZERS

I don’t think Sacramento should be interested in adding this Jerami Grant.

But Dallas should definitely do that one imo.

Was just trying to find the right amount of value for Deni to Sacramento. Really didn’t have anything to do with DDR to Dallas. Just seemed the easiest version. Could be a different third team. Or could be a Monk deal.

Sac can match Deni without sending any of their big salaries out, but assume they’d rather keep the tax space for Lyles/Laravia/MLE than Demar?

Just liked the “Sabonis/Deni/Murray” lineup a lot.

[Astaluego]

Random one again.

Demar to Dallas
Deni+Naji to Sac
Klay+2025 (or 2026 if Sac wins in play in) Sac, 2027 SAS, 2031 Minn first to Portland

What else would be needed? Dallas owes something, somewhere I think? But not a real first?

DDR to MAVS

J.Grant+2 SRP(Hawks)to KINGS

Gafford to HAWKS

Hardy/Powell to BLAZERS

I don’t think Sacramento should be interested in adding this Jerami Grant.

But Dallas should definitely do that one imo.

Was just trying to find the right amount of value for Deni to Sacramento. Really didn’t have anything to do with DDR to Dallas. Just seemed the easiest version. Could be a different third team. Or could be a Monk deal.

Sac can match Deni without sending any of their big salaries out, but assume they’d rather keep the tax space for Lyles/Laravia/MLE than Demar?

Just liked the “Sabonis/Deni/Murray” lineup a lot.

I don't think the Blazers are going to move Deni... The DDR-Grant trade for the Kings... I think it's a better fit positionally. J. Grant has an extra year on his contract, but he's also five years younger. Maybe the Blazers send Murray too? Although I don't think that would move the needle much.

would go on to sign Ben Simmons for the Kings

Ellis/Lavine/Murray/Grant/Sabonis
Carter/Monk/LaRavia/Simmons/Jonas

[jayjaysee]

Random bit. What does a Gafford extension look like this summer?

Like 4yr60 added? More/less?

[ReggiesKnicks]

Random bit. What does a Gafford extension look like this summer?

Like 4yr60 added? More/less?

You're too low imo. The MLE in 2026-2027 will be 15.5 Million. In 2029-2030 the projected MLE is 20.6 Million.

Even if you think Gafford is only an MLE player, that's 4/72.

Realistically adding 2 years makes more sense with a Lively extension looming, though maybe adding more years lowers the AAV. 2/36 seems like a fine ballpark, 3/50?

[jayjaysee]

Random bit. What does a Gafford extension look like this summer?

Like 4yr60 added? More/less?

You're too low imo. The MLE in 2026-2027 will be 15.5 Million. In 2029-2030 the projected MLE is 20.6 Million.

Even if you think Gafford is only an MLE player, that's 4/72.

Realistically adding 2 years makes more sense with a Lively extension looming, though maybe adding more years lowers the AAV. 2/36 seems like a fine ballpark, 3/50?

Honestly, I’m looking at locking Gafford up through the pick debt. Then you can move Lively+salaries+assets for that wing upgrade and actually feel like a contender with a 2-4 year window.

KD doesn’t cost Lively imo, but the window feels like 1 year.. Lively++ I’d be targeting someone closer to AD/Kyrie age? Still haven’t figured out who that is though..

Think the 3 big of Gafford/AD/PJ is good enough to last through the pick debt and probably affordable if you can lock up Gafford/PJ on flat-ish deals next season.

Feels rough to picture Gafford at 20 million a year though. You’re probably right though. Maybe he takes 4yr72 this offseason to lock in the security

[ReggiesKnicks]

Random bit. What does a Gafford extension look like this summer?

Like 4yr60 added? More/less?

You're too low imo. The MLE in 2026-2027 will be 15.5 Million. In 2029-2030 the projected MLE is 20.6 Million.

Even if you think Gafford is only an MLE player, that's 4/72.

Realistically adding 2 years makes more sense with a Lively extension looming, though maybe adding more years lowers the AAV. 2/36 seems like a fine ballpark, 3/50?

Honestly, I’m looking at locking Gafford up through the pick debt. Then you can move Lively+salaries+assets for that wing upgrade and actually feel like a contender with a 2-4 year window.

KD doesn’t cost Lively imo, but the window feels like 1 year.. Lively++ I’d be targeting someone closer to AD/Kyrie age? Still haven’t figured out who that is though..

Think the 3 big of Gafford/AD/PJ is good enough to last through the pick debt and probably affordable if you can lock up Gafford/PJ on flat-ish deals next season.

Feels rough to picture Gafford at 20 million a year though. You’re probably right though. Maybe he takes 4yr72 this offseason to lock in the security

With the cap going up 10% every year, every 4 years is roughly a 50% increase in cap from 4 years prior. That means 14 Million now is 20 Million in 4 years, which seems like around Gaffords value.

8% annual cap increases means every 5 years the cap increase is about 50%.

[jayjaysee]

Any fun in a little Terry Rozier+2nds for Marcus Smart?

Nothing that exciting but I liked it..

[Godaddycurse]

Any fun in a little Terry Rozier+2nds for Marcus Smart?

Nothing that exciting but I liked it..

doesnt seem to move needle for miami.. should use rozier as matching for a more impactful pg if they want to make playoffs next year