Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[Dadouv47]

All firsts...

Would the Clippers trade a 2027 pick swap & 2028 pick to OKC for their own 2022 pick

Then they could punt on the rest of the season.
OKC would be giving up a chance at great pick but I think it's a very small possibility

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It probably will have to be revisited at the trade deadline to see how the west has changed.
Ie is clippers still likely to make the play in then.

I would probably try to ask for the LAC second in 2022 as well a pick within 30-40 in exchange for giving up a pick that’s likely to be between 11-20 right now but should be 5-10 minimum if LAC tanks .

No way I would consider this. This is bad for OKC for two reasons:
1. we need to draft talent and we have enough future picks
2. It gives the Clippers a chance to improve their roster for the future (developing a decent prospect or trading a top 15 pick for value later) which huts our future picks in 2024-2026. LAC already doing a terrific job btw at drating and developing young prospects.

[BullyKing]

All firsts...

Would the Clippers trade a 2027 pick swap & 2028 pick to OKC for their own 2022 pick

Then they could punt on the rest of the season.
OKC would be giving up a chance at great pick but I think it's a very small possibility

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It probably will have to be revisited at the trade deadline to see how the west has changed.
Ie is clippers still likely to make the play in then.

I would probably try to ask for the LAC second in 2022 as well a pick within 30-40 in exchange for giving up a pick that’s likely to be between 11-20 right now but should be 5-10 minimum if LAC tanks .

2. It gives the Clippers a chance to improve their roster for the future (developing a decent prospect or trading a top 15 pick for value later) which huts our future picks in 2024-2026. LAC already doing a terrific job btw at drating and developing young prospects.

I'm laughing at this, not because I disagree with your logic, but in thinking about how many teams it will be complicated for OKC to trade with because you own their future draft picks.

[Devilanche]

All firsts...

Would the Clippers trade a 2027 pick swap & 2028 pick to OKC for their own 2022 pick

Then they could punt on the rest of the season.
OKC would be giving up a chance at great pick but I think it's a very small possibility

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It probably will have to be revisited at the trade deadline to see how the west has changed.
Ie is clippers still likely to make the play in then.

I would probably try to ask for the LAC second in 2022 as well a pick within 30-40 in exchange for giving up a pick that’s likely to be between 11-20 right now but should be 5-10 minimum if LAC tanks .

No way I would consider this. This is bad for OKC for two reasons:
1. we need to draft talent and we have enough future picks
2. It gives the Clippers a chance to improve their roster for the future (developing a decent prospect or trading a top 15 pick for value later) which huts our future picks in 2024-2026. LAC already doing a terrific job btw at drating and developing young prospects.

I still have them as a playin team even without kahwi/George .

Valid point about them using that asset to replenish their rotation in the short term

[NYG]

Everyone gets traded in one deal...

Detroit Pistons get:
Marvin Bagley III
Matisse Thybulle
2022 Top 4 Protected Philadelphia 76ers First Round Draft Pick (Right to defer to 2023)

Indiana Pacers get:
Tristan Thompson
2022 Top 4 Protected Sacramento Kings First Round Draft Pick
2024 Top 4 Protected Sacramento Kings First Round Draft Pick

Philadelphia 76ers get:
De'Aaron Fox
Harrison Barnes
Jerami Grant
Robert Woodard II

Sacramento Kings get:
Ben Simmons
Myles Turner
Tobias Harris

[NYG]

General question...

With the Ben Simmons trade holding up a lot of the bigger moves...

Are we expecting a crazy deadline (Simmons gets traded, unexpected big name gets traded, Jerami Grant, Christian Wood, Myles Turner, etc. all get traded)

or

Most of the big moves waiting until draft night and it's a dull deadline (Robert Covington in a deal that gets Portland under the tax is like the biggest deal)?

[Texas Chuck]

General question...

With the Ben Simmons trade holding up a lot of the bigger moves...

Are we expecting a crazy deadline (Simmons gets traded, unexpected big name gets traded, Jerami Grant, Christian Wood, Myles Turner, etc. all get traded)

or

Most of the big moves waiting until draft night and it's a dull deadline (Robert Covington in a deal that gets Portland under the tax is like the biggest deal)?

I'm expecting very little of the big jumbo deals with all the usual suspects(Simmons, Turner, Grant, Sabonis) and several of the small boring financially inspired trades like we just saw and of course Eric Gordon going somewhere---Cleveland makes the most obvious sense to me.

But admittedly I have a bias towards small financially based deals so this could be just self-serving.

[NYG]

General question...

With the Ben Simmons trade holding up a lot of the bigger moves...

Are we expecting a crazy deadline (Simmons gets traded, unexpected big name gets traded, Jerami Grant, Christian Wood, Myles Turner, etc. all get traded)

or

Most of the big moves waiting until draft night and it's a dull deadline (Robert Covington in a deal that gets Portland under the tax is like the biggest deal)?

I'm expecting very little of the big jumbo deals with all the usual suspects(Simmons, Turner, Grant, Sabonis) and several of the small boring financially inspired trades like we just saw and of course Eric Gordon going somewhere---Cleveland makes the most obvious sense to me.

But admittedly I have a bias towards small financially based deals so this could be just self-serving.

Yeah, if you average out the past few seasons, there was 5 trades in between the start of the season and the start of trade deadline month so we're due for one more between now and February 1st. The month of the deadline averages out to 18 more trades. So using that 18 number, I would expect the following at the deadline...

6 minor minor minor 15th man salary dumps/roster spot creation
2 of the Grant/Turner/Collins/Fox/Simmons/Sabonis types
5 of the useful but less so guys (Eric Gordon kind of guys fit here)
5 of the salary cap maneuvers where it's above a minor deal, but still the cap ramifications are the sole purpose of the deal

[Texas Chuck]

I'm less optimistic about 2 of the bigger deals, but yeah seems like a pretty solid breakdown of what to expect. I think we might get more than 5 salary cap deals though. Even if just to allow some buyers to make a bigger move without going into tax.

[NYG]

Some cap deals to get teams below the tax...

Aaron Nesmith to Cleveland (into TPE) for '22 Rockets 2nd and '22 Spurs 2nd
Robert Covington for Tristan Thompson and '22 Kings 2nd

[NYG]

I'm less optimistic about 2 of the bigger deals, but yeah seems like a pretty solid breakdown of what to expect. I think we might get more than 5 salary cap deals though. Even if just to allow some buyers to make a bigger move without going into tax.

Yeah... honestly, after thinking it over...

6 minor minor minor 15th man salary dumps/roster spot creation (Kent Bazemore, Rodney Hood, etc.)
1 bigger deal (I think it's only Jerami Grant pre-draft when all is said and done)
4 of the useful but less so guys (Eric Gordon kind of guys fit here)
7 of the salary cap maneuvers where it's above a minor deal, but still the cap ramifications are the sole purpose of the deal (see above Nesmith/Covington concept deals, insert Serge Ibaka type deal, etc.)

[K_chile22]

I think a Simmons trade is actually going to happen. Think it'll be the only move with big names that happens.

Who is the most likely player to get traded this year is a fun question

[Texas Chuck]

Who is the most likely player to get traded this year is a fun question

I'm taking Millsap here. Simply makes more sense for the Nets to trade him than waive him since even if they have to send cash to cover his remaining salary to trade him(I don't think they will) they still profit a good bit on the exchange. And some team should still want him even in this diminished form. Good locker room guy.

[Sportfan73]

I think a Simmons trade is actually going to happen. Think it'll be the only move with big names that happens.

Who is the most likely player to get traded this year is a fun question

I agree and I think it actually happens before the deadline. I think one side will push the other(not predicting which) into a deal because of other teams offers starting to get more real.

[K_chile22]

I'd really like to see a PJ Washington-Wood swap with Plumlee as salary filler. Think Washington is a good fit with what Houston has, and as frustrating as Wood has been on a bad team that can't run PnR, he'd be very fun catching lobs from LaMelo. Would have asked for more before Wood's 'incident' but I'm content with just Washington at this point

[HornetJail]

I'd really like to see a PJ Washington-Wood swap with Plumlee as salary filler. Think Washington is a good fit with what Houston has, and as frustrating as Wood has been on a bad team that can't run PnR, he'd be very fun catching lobs from LaMelo. Would have asked for more before Wood's 'incident' but I'm content with just Washington at this point

I'd do it. Wood wouldn't really help our defense a whole lot but his rebounding and scoring would make us much more dangerous. Plumlee is holding us back so much

[K_chile22]

I'd really like to see a PJ Washington-Wood swap with Plumlee as salary filler. Think Washington is a good fit with what Houston has, and as frustrating as Wood has been on a bad team that can't run PnR, he'd be very fun catching lobs from LaMelo. Would have asked for more before Wood's 'incident' but I'm content with just Washington at this point

I'd do it. Wood wouldn't really help our defense a whole lot but his rebounding and scoring would make us much more dangerous. Plumlee is holding us back so much

Yeah, Hornets have so many wings PJ Washington is playing a lot at center and Wood provides most of what he does as a perimeter player, but he's way taller and is an elite rim runner (and I don't use the word elite lightly) when he has spacing and someone that can pass out of PnR. Think it makes a lot of sense. Lose some as a switch defender but a bit better rim protection and, like you mentioned, rebounding. AND WE'D FINALLY FREE SENGUN FROM HIS WOODEN SHACKLES

[toooskies]

Some cap deals to get teams below the tax...

Aaron Nesmith to Cleveland (into TPE) for '22 Rockets 2nd and '22 Spurs 2nd
Robert Covington for Tristan Thompson and '22 Kings 2nd

I think that puts the Cavs into the tax unless Boston wants to take back Pangos, and given how little Nesmith has shown so far I'm not sure he's worth one high 2nd let alone two.

[Resistance]

Some cap deals to get teams below the tax...

Aaron Nesmith to Cleveland (into TPE) for '22 Rockets 2nd and '22 Spurs 2nd
Robert Covington for Tristan Thompson and '22 Kings 2nd

I think that puts the Cavs into the tax unless Boston wants to take back Pangos, and given how little Nesmith has shown so far I'm not sure he's worth one high 2nd let alone two.

I agree that Nesmith has yet to impress.

Maybe just a swap of the lesser (worst) of the Houston and San Antonio 2022 Second Round Picks for the Boston 2022 Second Round Pick. Cleveland is still taking a risk, but at least there is a fallback position if Nesmith busts.

[NYG]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952559-he-fits-everywhere-inside-the-market-for-nba-trade-deadlines-grand-prize

Several league personnel view Washington as a favorite to land Grant. He hails from the D.C. area, his father Harvey played for the franchise from 1988-93 and again from 1996-98. The Wizards' first-year head coach Wes Unseld Jr. also coached Grant as an assistant with the Nuggets.

Jerami Grant for Davis Bertans, Rui Hachimura and Top 8 Protected 2022 Wizards 1st (2023 - Top 4 / 2025 - Top 4 / 2026 - Unprotected)?

[DoItALL9]

All firsts...

Would the Clippers trade a 2027 pick swap & 2028 pick to OKC for their own 2022 pick

Then they could punt on the rest of the season.
OKC would be giving up a chance at great pick but I think it's a very small possibility

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It probably will have to be revisited at the trade deadline to see how the west has changed.
Ie is clippers still likely to make the play in then.

I would probably try to ask for the LAC second in 2022 as well a pick within 30-40 in exchange for giving up a pick that’s likely to be between 11-20 right now but should be 5-10 minimum if LAC tanks .

No way I would consider this. This is bad for OKC for two reasons:
1. we need to draft talent and we have enough future picks
2. It gives the Clippers a chance to improve their roster for the future (developing a decent prospect or trading a top 15 pick for value later) which huts our future picks in 2024-2026. LAC already doing a terrific job btw at drating and developing young prospects.

If you have that philosophy, not to help them improve their team, then my previously mentioned trade of LAC sending Eric Bledsoe & Marcus Morris to duck under the tax could be intriguing.

It makes LAC worse if they decide the pick is sunk cost and we can still salvage something.

However, you did say y'all have enough future picks so maybe this would've be that appealing.

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