Woj: Paul George informs Pacers he plans to leave them in 2018 free agency, prefers Lakers.

[MUpacersSIC]

LA out: Mozgov, Clarkson, Russell, Randle, 28
LA in: PG13, Al Jefferson, 12

IND out: PG13, Al Jeff, 18,
IND in: Mozgov, RJ, Russell, Randle, 28

DET out: Reggie Jackson, 12
DET in: Clarkson, 18

How many times do Laker fans have to tell fans of other teams we are not going to use any of our big 3 assets to dump Moz or Deng. We can just stretch them if we need the Capspace to sign 2 Max FA's

Stretching them does not do enough. Attack the post, not the poster. That doesn't allow you to sign anyone other than Paul George. He's not going there to be the only guy.

[NoZoLakers]

LA out: Mozgov, Clarkson, Russell, Randle, 28
LA in: PG13, Al Jefferson, 12

IND out: PG13, Al Jeff, 18,
IND in: Mozgov, RJ, Russell, Randle, 28

DET out: Reggie Jackson, 12
DET in: Clarkson, 18

How many times do Laker fans have to tell fans of other teams we are not going to use any of our big 3 assets to dump Moz or Deng. We can just stretch them if we need the Capspace to sign 2 Max FA's

Stretching them does not do enough. You clearly don't understand this stuff. That doesn't allow you to sign anyone other than Paul George. He's not going there to be the only guy.

Jc needs to be traded to get enougn cap for pg in 18', stretching those 2 bozos after 18 gives la bout 20mill in cap, not enough for max but decent amt, and la is capped after 18' anyways, so the dead money matters very little

[A BETTER DJ]

They had some sports show on where I was eating dinner and 100% of the speakers agreed that if PG is still on Indiana by the draft then Indiana are fools. Everybody said they should just take best offer and go with it.

[pelifan]

Lakers want George to force his way to them this season instead of next since they don't own their pick. George is trying to drive his own value to literally zero.

Worse than the Durant move imo.

Durant got okc a big fat nothing, this isnt worse n its not like pg is joining a team he lost a 3-1 lead too either. N some of okc trade mishaps might have also ocurred due to trying to appease kd

Doesn't seem to me like George cares what Indy gets. He's already ruined their leverage. He cares more about making sure the Lakers keep their assets than letting his former team get compensation. Pure speculation on my part, but due to news that he's telling teams it's for sure a rental right as Cav trades started to heat up tells me he's trying to make sure a deal like that doesn't happen and Indy is forced to deal him to LA for their scraps.

I'd love to be wrong, I'd love for him just to be using the Lakers as leverage to go to a contender for nothing. Not because I hate the Lakers, but because I hate collusion. But either way it's clear he doesn't care about Indy to me. There are ways to tell your franchise you want to leave earlier and not force their hand like this. If he just kept his mouth shut and left after the season that would be better to me. As is Indy has to deal him or worry about him mailing it in, the negative PR etc.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Lakers want George to force his way to them this season instead of next since they don't own their pick. George is trying to drive his own value to literally zero.

Worse than the Durant move imo.

Durant got okc a big fat nothing, this isnt worse n its not like pg is joining a team he lost a 3-1 lead too either. N some of okc trade mishaps might have also ocurred due to trying to appease kd

Doesn't seem to me like George cares what Indy gets. He's already ruined their leverage. He cares more about making sure the Lakers keep their assets than letting his former team get compensation. Pure speculation on my part, but due to news that he's telling teams it's for sure a rental right as Cav trades started to heat up tells me he's trying to make sure a deal like that doesn't happen and Indy is forced to deal him to LA for their scraps.

I'd love to be wrong, I'd love for him just to be using the Lakers as leverage to go to a contender for nothing. Not because I hate the Lakers, but because I hate collusion. But either way it's clear he doesn't care about Indy to me. There are ways to tell your franchise you want to leave earlier and not force their hand like this. If he just kept his mouth shut and left after the season that would be better to me. As is Indy has to deal him or worry about him mailing it in, the negative PR etc.

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

[HartfordWhalers]

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

And all of that argues for getting the Pacers as little of a return as possible.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

And all of that argues for getting the Pacers as little of a return as possible.

That's an ownership issue, not a Paul George issue. If Pacers were interested in maximizing their return , they should of traded him last year.

[Texas Chuck]

Lakers want George to force his way to them this season instead of next since they don't own their pick. George is trying to drive his own value to literally zero.

yeah this is what it sounds like and its disappointing. Its too bad Bird isn't still running the Pacers because I could easily see him say screw that and either move George to a team he wouldn't like or just have him play out the year in Indy. He doesn't strike me as a guy who'd put up with that.

He has a right to go wherever he wants when he is a free agent, but until then you signed a pretty big contract with a team and to screw over your employer like this is pretty disappointing. If you really want out you and your agent can go to the Pacers and say the same thing without making it public and screwing them.

[HartfordWhalers]

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

And all of that argues for getting the Pacers as little of a return as possible.

That's an ownership issue, not a Paul George issue. If Pacers were interested in maximizing their return , they should of traded him last year.

It is an ownership problem not a Paul George problem definitely. But my point was that if Paul George (or his agent) is doing their best job, it will leave the Pacers with as little as possible in return. It is not just a 'not my problem' but it is something wjere their interests are diametrically opposed.

[ahartleyvu]

Wouldn't LA want to dump Deng/Moz/Clarkson to sign FAs? I get not paying much for George since he has basically said he wants to play there and it wouldn't cost anything. But I was thinking, the best route might be to trade for PG13 along with Young/Jefferson/Ellis that expire at the same time. Then you can consider super team that following year.

[Domejandro]

Lakers want George to force his way to them this season instead of next since they don't own their pick. George is trying to drive his own value to literally zero.

yeah this is what it sounds like and its disappointing. Its too bad Bird isn't still running the Pacers because I could easily see him say screw that and either move George to a team he wouldn't like or just have him play out the year in Indy. He doesn't strike me as a guy who'd put up with that.

He has a right to go wherever he wants when he is a free agent, but until then you signed a pretty big contract with a team and to screw over your employer like this is pretty disappointing. If you really want out you and your agent can go to the Pacers and say the same thing without making it public and screwing them.

Paul George and his agent tried that approach for a huge part of last season.

[pelifan]

Durant got okc a big fat nothing, this isnt worse n its not like pg is joining a team he lost a 3-1 lead too either. N some of okc trade mishaps might have also ocurred due to trying to appease kd

Doesn't seem to me like George cares what Indy gets. He's already ruined their leverage. He cares more about making sure the Lakers keep their assets than letting his former team get compensation. Pure speculation on my part, but due to news that he's telling teams it's for sure a rental right as Cav trades started to heat up tells me he's trying to make sure a deal like that doesn't happen and Indy is forced to deal him to LA for their scraps.

I'd love to be wrong, I'd love for him just to be using the Lakers as leverage to go to a contender for nothing. Not because I hate the Lakers, but because I hate collusion. But either way it's clear he doesn't care about Indy to me. There are ways to tell your franchise you want to leave earlier and not force their hand like this. If he just kept his mouth shut and left after the season that would be better to me. As is Indy has to deal him or worry about him mailing it in, the negative PR etc.

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

I'm not saying George cant do whatever he wants to do but trying to get out of you contract a year early (which essentially is what he's doing) is worse than just leaving in FA. George isn't doing his franchise a favor as some have suggested. This is worse than blindsiding your team in FA in my opinion. Geogre has basically told his team that they have to trade him and can get little in return.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Doesn't seem to me like George cares what Indy gets. He's already ruined their leverage. He cares more about making sure the Lakers keep their assets than letting his former team get compensation. Pure speculation on my part, but due to news that he's telling teams it's for sure a rental right as Cav trades started to heat up tells me he's trying to make sure a deal like that doesn't happen and Indy is forced to deal him to LA for their scraps.

I'd love to be wrong, I'd love for him just to be using the Lakers as leverage to go to a contender for nothing. Not because I hate the Lakers, but because I hate collusion. But either way it's clear he doesn't care about Indy to me. There are ways to tell your franchise you want to leave earlier and not force their hand like this. If he just kept his mouth shut and left after the season that would be better to me. As is Indy has to deal him or worry about him mailing it in, the negative PR etc.

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

I'm not saying George cant do whatever he wants to do but trying to get out of you contract a year early (which essentially is what he's doing) is worse than just leaving in FA. George isn't doing his franchise a favor as some have suggested. This is worse than blindsiding your team in FA in my opinion. Geogre has basically told his team that they have to trade him and can get little in return.

Telling somebody you don't plan on resigning isn't trying to get out your contract. Little in return as possible is 0. I'm sure OKC would taken free assets if they knew Durant was leaving.

[NoZoLakers]

I remember when there was reports left and right bout kobe/howard fued behind closed door and didnt believe, then howard bounces. Last season, i remembered an article that said kd and russ werent really friends and at times didnt like each other but nobody believed that either. I dont know how far back pg rumours went but i bet nobody bleived them either back then

[pelifan]

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

I'm not saying George cant do whatever he wants to do but trying to get out of you contract a year early (which essentially is what he's doing) is worse than just leaving in FA. George isn't doing his franchise a favor as some have suggested. This is worse than blindsiding your team in FA in my opinion. Geogre has basically told his team that they have to trade him and can get little in return.

Telling somebody you don't plan on resigning isn't trying to get out your contract. Little in return as possible is 0. I'm sure OKC would taken free assets if they knew Durant was leaving.

A year of Durant and run at the finals is worth more than a late first round pick. Ignorance is bliss.

The ideal scenario is Chris Paul one where your team gets told in private they want out and don't have a specific team in mind. After that is one where maybe you have the team in mind but you tell your new team that you won't sign an extension and give them no assurances.

What you don't do is broadcast to the league that you are going to a specific team in a year when you are still under contract. I think George ends up a Laker this season for not much. That's not ok. Sure Indy could just keep him but he's already told the team he doesn't want to play for them this season. Their hand is forced.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

I'm not saying George cant do whatever he wants to do but trying to get out of you contract a year early (which essentially is what he's doing) is worse than just leaving in FA. George isn't doing his franchise a favor as some have suggested. This is worse than blindsiding your team in FA in my opinion. Geogre has basically told his team that they have to trade him and can get little in return.

Telling somebody you don't plan on resigning isn't trying to get out your contract. Little in return as possible is 0. I'm sure OKC would taken free assets if they knew Durant was leaving.

This is correct. Fair or not people have talked openly about George not wanting to be part of a Melo situation. Where the Knicks traded so much to get Melo that nothIng was left when he got there. It's in PGs best interest for his career to have his new team give up as little as possible.

[bondom34]

Him telling teams he's only a rental isn't really being terribly helpful. He's basically saying "I'm gone and you can't get anything in return", so it's a double whammy.

[QRich3]

Why would George care what Indy gets? That not part of his job. He has 0 ownership in the team. He signed his contract, not like he saying he going to hold out if he don't get traded. George should care about his next team being a good destination. Whether its Lakers or not.

I'm not saying George cant do whatever he wants to do but trying to get out of you contract a year early (which essentially is what he's doing) is worse than just leaving in FA. George isn't doing his franchise a favor as some have suggested. This is worse than blindsiding your team in FA in my opinion. Geogre has basically told his team that they have to trade him and can get little in return.

Telling somebody you don't plan on resigning isn't trying to get out your contract. Little in return as possible is 0. I'm sure OKC would taken free assets if they knew Durant was leaving.

Yeah but leaking that you're not gonna re-sign with any team but one, and having your agent let every team know you're not re-signing with them no matter what, kinda kills most of the good you could've done letting them know early. He's not doing any favors to anyone but himself.

[Tukkerwolf]

Just for my understanding: LA has the cap space to sign George next year?

[8305]

Pacers could have gotten out in front of this and moved the rebuild forward as many as three seasons.

but that assumes that a rebuild was required. as recently as last Friday, it seemed possible that a good selection at #18 would be enough to have us competing for a top four spot in the East and that a good playoff run would have made PG happy to extend for at least one and one. in fact, if PG wanted to make Pacer fans happy, all he'd need to do was say is "My agent was wrong. I won't be making a decision about 2018 until after my Pacer contract is over and I become a free agent."

I think you and I were on the same page when it came to strategy under the assumption PG was staying. But, as this thing is playing out it would appear that PG has moved from lacking confidence in the Pacer organization (understandable) to being pissed off and vindictive. I think it's hard to believe that under any circumstances he's a Laker next year. So much could happen the contention seems illogical. How did we get to a situation seemingly PG's camp is destroying any value he could have. Has this ever been done before?