Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Mykhyn]

Spurs out: Dejounte + Aminu + Lonnie Walker + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2024 1st
Spurs in: Ben Simmons + Deandre Jordan + Thybulle

Nets out: Kyrie + Deandre Jordan
Nets in: Dejounte Murray + Robert Covington + Aminu + Lonnie Walker

Blazers out: Dame + Covington
Blazers in: Kyrie Irving + Thad Young + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2024 1st

76ers out: Ben Simmons + ThyBulle
76ers in: Dame


Spurs get their man and get a pretty complete roster with AMAZING defense

White/Tre/Forbes
Vassell/Thybulle/Forbes
Keldon/Ben Simmons
Ben Simmons/Samanic/Collins
Poeltl/Deandre

Nets get better and more stable fits around KD/Harden. Dejounte would excel with all the spacing and Lonnie would be an amazing 6th man for that team.

Blazers stay competitive and get assets to improve further.

76ers get their man


Who says no?

[zimpy27]

76ers need playmaking in return for Simmons..
That's pretty non-negotiable.

[cool93]

Sexton is significantly better than McDaniels+ 2nds. Beasley is at best neutral value right now. He just got out of prison ffs, he isn't an asset. And Cavs give up Nance on top? Insane.

On Sixers side it's somewhat acceptable, but Wolves are just stealing value from Cavs, so it's not realistic at all.

[JRoy]

POR does not entertain this idea.

Lillard is better than Irving, has leadership qualities and is not a kook.

The incentive does not come close to bridging the gap.

Absolute non starter.

[zimpy27]

McDaniels isn't tradeable because no team loves him like Minny. In any trade, Minny would think they are giving something big and the receiving team would be thinking "thanks for this late first sophomore, where's the rest?"

[kuclas]

Bulls are not doing this because we not going into the luxury tax to add depth pieces. And definitely not at the expense of salary dumping White. I think we keep Lauri on the QO. Bulls hold all the cards with him.

At this stage in the free agency game. No one wants Lauri. Unless in a sign and trade. And frankly most teams don’t want to commit much to him

[Henesey]

Am I the only one who kind of likes the idea of taking a gamble on the next 4-5 years of Timberwolves' draft assets?

The Wolves will be capped out, have a very hard time attracting free agents, and have had one +500 season since trading KG. If the Simmons situation turns out like Butler then the Sixers are laughing, if not they have added flexibility and aren't bringing back a distressed asset in Simmons.

[cool93]

there is no way on earth Wolves are gonna involve Ant in any trade deals structured around Simmons

I don't believe the deal could be done than. It's literally salary fillers+picks, and that's laughable even for current Bens value.

That's why a third team needs to get involved that can be sent picks and Sixers actually getting a useful point guard who can play 30 minutes and get to the rim and shoot from outside.

3rd team won't help if all Wolves send is salary + picks, just not enough value.

[cool93]

Am I the only one who kind of likes the idea of taking a gamble on the next 4-5 years of Timberwolves' draft assets?

The Wolves will be capped out, have a very hard time attracting free agents, and have had one +500 season since trading KG. If the Simmons situation turns out like Butler then the Sixers are laughing, if not they have added flexibility and aren't bringing back a distressed asset in Simmons.

For all Simmons problems, he is awesome player in regular season and a very good floor raiser. Wolves would be in playoffs with him, so picks likely won't be juicy.

[kuclas]

Am I the only one who kind of likes the idea of taking a gamble on the next 4-5 years of Timberwolves' draft assets?

The Wolves will be capped out, have a very hard time attracting free agents, and have had one +500 season since trading KG. If the Simmons situation turns out like Butler then the Sixers are laughing, if not they have added flexibility and aren't bringing back a distressed asset in Simmons.

People don’t realize these days. Simmons can keep the Sixers team afloat with 500 ball when Embiid is out his usual 20 games

Simmons is going to get towns Edwards at least in the playoffs so the future picks will 16-20 range.

So getting a bunch of role players and a couple of 16-20 first round picks for Simmons.

[HartfordWhalers]

If the wiz loose 15 of their first 20 or something like that . I would be ok with a deal structured around this

Beal to Philly
Simmons to mini
Edwards, springer, a number of picks 2 at least from mini and filler to DC or a 4th team for value.

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That feels extremely ambitious for Washington. A #1 pick and 3 firsts? And all if Washington has an expiring Beal and is losing 75% of their games?

I don't think so at all. Beal has a year after this one yes he's got an opt out and he's up for a max extension but that's workable. This puts philly well in true contender range. For mini it's probably less than DM was gonna milk from them alone. For the wiz they get two looks at a Beal replacement and some picks and more movable vets to part out to get value from a rebuild.


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I don’t know why the PO counts as Beal under contract. Is he not worth his deal ?

[Henesey]

Am I the only one who kind of likes the idea of taking a gamble on the next 4-5 years of Timberwolves' draft assets?

The Wolves will be capped out, have a very hard time attracting free agents, and have had one +500 season since trading KG. If the Simmons situation turns out like Butler then the Sixers are laughing, if not they have added flexibility and aren't bringing back a distressed asset in Simmons.

For all Simmons problems, he is awesome player in regular season and a very good flour raiser. Wolves would be in playoffs with him, so picks likely won't be juicy.

Yeah, I agree with that, as I said It's definitely a gamble.

D-Lo has missed a lot of basketball the past two years as has KAT.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Bulls are not doing this because we not going into the luxury tax to add depth pieces. And definitely not at the expense of salary dumping White. I think we keep Lauri on the QO. Bulls hold all the cards with him.

At this stage in the free agency game. No one wants Lauri. Unless in a sign and trade. And frankly most teams don’t want to commit much to him

Fortunately for Chicago they don’t have to do anything, get him back on the QO for only a year, and they use money they can’t use on free agents to do so.

Doing nothing is likely one of the best outcomes for Chicago.

[cool93]

Spurs out: Dejounte + Aminu + Lonnie Walker + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2024 1st
Spurs in: Ben Simmons + Deandre Jordan + Thybulle

Nets out: Kyrie + Deandre Jordan
Nets in: Dejounte Murray + Robert Covington + Aminu + Lonnie Walker

Blazers out: Dame + Covington
Blazers in: Kyrie Irving + Thad Young + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2024 1st

76ers out: Ben Simmons + ThyBulle
76ers in: Dame


Spurs get their man and get a pretty complete roster with AMAZING defense

White/Tre/Forbes
Vassell/Thybulle/Forbes
Keldon/Ben Simmons
Ben Simmons/Samanic/Collins
Poeltl/Deandre

Nets get better and more stable fits around KD/Harden. Dejounte would excel with all the spacing and Lonnie would be an amazing 6th man for that team.

Blazers stay competitive and get assets to improve further.

76ers get their man


Who says no?

I thinks Sixers definitely steal a lot of value here, we need to add A LOT to Ben to get Lillard at this point.
I son'e see why Nets do this. Kyrie was awesome last year and they have enough depth as is, and I don't think Portland would be interested in Kyrie (he won't be interested to play there either)

[Henesey]

Am I the only one who kind of likes the idea of taking a gamble on the next 4-5 years of Timberwolves' draft assets?

The Wolves will be capped out, have a very hard time attracting free agents, and have had one +500 season since trading KG. If the Simmons situation turns out like Butler then the Sixers are laughing, if not they have added flexibility and aren't bringing back a distressed asset in Simmons.

People don’t realize these days. Simmons can keep the Sixers team afloat with 500 ball when Embiid is out his usual 20 games

Simmons is going to get towns Edwards at least in the playoffs so the future picks will 16-20 range.

So getting a bunch of role players and a couple of 16-20 first round picks for Simmons.

I said exactly the same thing when they signed Butler or the Celtics when we got all those 'useless' picks from the nets. Since the Butler trade to Philly they have had picks 6, 1, and 7.

These picks might be a bit more enticing for Portland than Simmons is at the trade deadline.

[WindyCityBorn]

Bulls are not doing this because we not going into the luxury tax to add depth pieces. And definitely not at the expense of salary dumping White. I think we keep Lauri on the QO. Bulls hold all the cards with him.

At this stage in the free agency game. No one wants Lauri. Unless in a sign and trade. And frankly most teams don’t want to commit much to him

Fortunately for Chicago they don’t have to do anything, get him back on the QO for only a year, and they use money they can’t use on free agents to do so.

Doing nothing is likely one of the best outcomes for Chicago.

Yep I think the Bulls just fine with that scenario which is why Lauri has no leverage at all.

[BullyKing]

The Wolves traded Butler because he was 1/2 of a season away from expiring. Simmons has four years left. Terrible analogy, terrible logic.

They traded him before the season started, not mid season. His only having one year left on his deal simply meant teams would only invest significant assets to get him if they believed they could re-sign him, which is why the suitors were limited to the likes of Philly/Miami/Houston. Simmons desire to play for particular teams accomplishes the same thing, teams like the cavs or magic arent in the running because he doesnt want to play there. Regardless of if its "he will only play for X" or "he will only re-sign with X" the result is the same, lowered competition for services and lowered return for their current team.

Just trade for Lillard bro!

Seriously, its going to be hilarious when Simmons is traded and Philly fans cope with the reality of the return.

It's so sad right now watching Philly fans trying to cope lol. Reality is going to slap them so hard in the face come October.

This is not acceptable on this board. We didn't allow other fans to laugh at Raptors fans saying Lowry would get multiple 1sts at the deadline or when they said it didn't matter because they would get that in a sign and trade.

[gambitx777]

That feels extremely ambitious for Washington. A #1 pick and 3 firsts? And all if Washington has an expiring Beal and is losing 75% of their games?

I don't think so at all. Beal has a year after this one yes he's got an opt out and he's up for a max extension but that's workable. This puts philly well in true contender range. For mini it's probably less than DM was gonna milk from them alone. For the wiz they get two looks at a Beal replacement and some picks and more movable vets to part out to get value from a rebuild.


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I don’t know why the PO counts as Beal under contract. Is he not worth his deal ?

You can argue he's a bargain on his current deal or at least we'll worth it. Even if he extends that year doesn't go away lol it's still there for that price. Any team he goes to can offer him that extension and I can't see him not wanting to stay in philly and be a perennial contender with the 76ers.

As a wizards fan getting two young blue chip guards, and 3 first for beal, I can live with that.

Mini well they only loose spare parts and Edwards if you think Simmons and towns works then go for it. You have two playable guards that's a young team you can go forward with and see if you can get into contention with a team focused around Simmons and shooters.

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[Wolveswin]

No chance unless Minny gives up every pick and swap possible and a third team sends win now pieces.

So Philly gets more for Simmons than Rockets for Harden? Got it.

So Morey is going to trade Simmons to a team and not get any of the three best players or all the picks? Those picks will be late firsts.

Yes. Same as Nets did.

3x Wolves 1sts + 4x Wolves 1st Swaps > Nets Package for Harden

Simmons does NOT get that much.

[SNPA]

So Philly gets more for Simmons than Rockets for Harden? Got it.

So Morey is going to trade Simmons to a team and not get any of the three best players or all the picks? Those picks will be late firsts.

Yes. Same as Nets did.

3x Wolves 1sts + 4x Wolves 1st Swaps > Nets Package for Harden

Simmons does NOT get that much.

I agree he doesn’t get that much. It’s what Minny would need, or close to it, minus the top three players.